Wilder

[Shawy24]

Right now - make no mistake we are in real danger of playing in League 1 next season!

The chance of a new expansive new approach has been blown by COH due to their woeful appt of Selles! Right now we need stability, leadership & structure. We need to start grinding out results to get out of trouble. Wilder is ironically perfect for this challenge……plus he will have no money to spend - which also a good thing as he does much better with a low budget/wheeling dealing.

Absolutely

 

[Slim Man]

The main issue is they appointed the wrong person. I wouldn’t say I’m pro or anti wilder but if you are removing a manager you have to make sure it’s the right replacement. We got the results last season with some insipid performances but you can’t argue that you don’t get to where we got over the season by fluke. I still believe it’s the off field antics that were Chris’s downfall

100%

Sacking Wilder is one thing, the lack of any structure for a replacement to succeed is entirely another

 

[deplorable]

Not heard that one?

I have heard a rumour about the other way around though (SR TD & CW Coach)?

 

[Shawy24]

What Bout the the double v the pigs? What Bout bring in a mammoth title race all the way up to that terrible week in April?

If you didn't enjoy that football isn't for you which is fine but if you want to see total domination with flare and showboating I think you would prefer the Harlem Globetrotters

At the moment I want stability and competence.

 

[I should coco]

Frankly I couldn't give a flying fuck about the pigs, they're so far behind us that they're not even on my radar and to get so excited by beating them I find quite tinpot. You say mammoth title race, I say utter capitulation and pant shitting

'Tinpot'?

Did you go to school with deluded masses?

Have you ever filed out of the Pig, being well and truly beaten?

They need to be constantly put on their place, and last season helped with that. Anyone who denies it, doesn't really understand what supporting United is really about.

 

[Silent Blade]

The opportunity to become the most successful manager, from either side, in the derby also beckons for CW if we beat them twice this season Silent Blade ?

Teddy Davison did the double 3 times

1933-34 (even though we got relegation)
1937-38
1951-52 (even though Wendy went up as champions and we finished in 11th place)

 

[HackeyBlade]

'Tinpot'?

Did you go to school with deluded masses?

Have you ever filed out of the Pig, being well and truly beaten?

They need to be constantly put on their place, and last season helped with that. Anyone who denies it, doesn't really understand what supporting United is really about.

Point proven

 

[I should coco]

Point proven

Eh?

 

[HackeyBlade]

Eh?

So "what supporting United is really about" is beating a poxy glorified pub team that happens to share a city with us. If that's not tinpot mate then I don't know what is

 

[Roygbiv]

100%

Sacking Wilder is one thing, the lack of any structure for a replacement to succeed is entirely another

I'm ok with him coming back if things are put in place with a view to the future. If he's coming back to just plaster over the structural faults of the club the I'll be extremely deflated by his return.

Coming in to steady the ship whilst the board make changes is a sound move. Bringing him to be the saviour again like The Prince tried is thoroughly depressing.

 

[Booker4]

If he does come back I cant wait to see the first sucking of his teeth in an interview as he breathes in! I've really missed that!

 

[coolasanidiot]

I'm ok with him coming back if things are put in place with a view to the future. If he's coming back to just plaster over the structural faults of the club the I'll be extremely deflated by his return.

Coming in to steady the ship whilst the board make changes is a sound move. Bringing him to be the saviour again like The Prince tried is thoroughly depressing.

It’s the 2nd Para

 

[Roygbiv]

If he does come back I cant wait to see the first sucking of his teeth in an interview as he breathes in! I've really missed that!

Pulling his tracksuit top zip up as far as it will go when he's about to say something chippy is a favourite of mine

 

[Roygbiv]

It’s the 2nd Para

Well I'm thoroughly depressed then

 

[coolasanidiot]

No… First sentence 2nd Paragraph.

 

[coolasanidiot]

So "what supporting United is really about" is beating a poxy glorified pub team that happens to share a city with us. If that's not tinpot mate then I don't know what is

Think you have grandiose ideas Hacky. I know we all have a dislike for Wednesday but pub team is stretching it. Yes beating them is a massive highlight if they are in same division. It’s a big Derby and I feel sorry if you don’t get a kick from a Derby win - for me it’s a great feeling.

Sadly I think reaching Prem and destroying the top 6 is realistically off the agenda. But next best thing is deffo going to Hillsboro and walking back out smiling.

 

[FTPE]

His mates will have you believe that’s the only choice. Wilder for a third time or Selles, when in fact there’s dozens of managers out there. The only reason he came back the second time was because Abdullah could t be arsed looking for someone and Wilder had been agitating for weeks about coming back.

What if Wilder can’t turn it around? He couldnt in 20/21, he couldn’t at Boro, he couldn’t at Watford, he couldn’t when he took over from Hecky.

Take his name off the CV and it’s the last manager you’d appoint, but because it’s cwissy and we’re a tinpot club we can only have bladey blades working at the club.

Who would you have?

 

[SwissBlade]

Your mate helped bring him in

My mate

Not sure he selected him to be fair

But the same guy will remove him as well.

 

[I should coco]

So "what supporting United is really about" is beating a poxy glorified pub team that happens to share a city with us. If that's not tinpot mate then I don't know what is

Forgive me, but I must have missed the non-tinpot bits , where we challenged for the title and regularly lost European finals.

Being in the same city, alongside them is an indisputable fact.
Boxing day for instance, took many years to live down.

Beating them has been a massive factor in our recent history, but if you want to pretend otherwise, carry on.

 

[54yrblade]

And here we are. Again.

The desperation of needing one man back. Interesting that there's no mention of Alan Knill. The guy who is at least 50% of Wilders successes, and whose relationship with Wilder seened to have noticeably cooled somewhat in the last tenure.

A guy who coaches in World and Euro championships while our 'cult hero', for some of us,dances on tables with his cult members

We had a glimpse of someone trying to move us on from Sheffield based narcissism and neediness.

Why can the PL, championship and European teams find good up and coming young managers and we have to go back to him, again?

IF it happens, and I truly hope it doesn't, it says more about who we are as a club and fan base than we might like to think.

God it's desperate

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

If he does come back I cant wait to see the first sucking of his teeth in an interview as he breathes in! I've really missed that!

I've missed being called a punter too!

 

[Snake]

Darren (I mean DPS) has never left the building (in his own head)!

I do honestly think that the previous owner is likely still talking to the new owners in some capacity. Even if it is just about stage pavements, etc for the sale of the club, so he may still hear the odd snippet?

Check a Trade is a good start, or give Bradders a bell, I'm sure he can help him with that

 

[Bell4]

It was stick or twist situation.

They took a gamble on Selles and it hasn't worked.

That's football and that's life.

Agree

I wouldn’t have thought that they purposely created this fk show just for shits and giggles .

They seem to have made a massive cock up - ok , let’s reluctantly give them that (not that we have any real say) - it’s what they do now that matters

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

And here we are. Again.

The desperation of needing one man back. Interesting that there's no mention of Alan Knill. The guy who is at least 50% of Wilders successes, and whose relationship with Wilder seened to have noticeably cooled somewhat in the last tenure.

A guy who coaches in World and Euro championships while our 'cult hero', for some of us,dances on tables with his cult members

We had a glimpse of someone trying to move us on from Sheffield based narcissism and neediness.

Why can the PL, championship and European teams find good up and coming young managers and we have to go back to him, again?

IF it happens, and I truly hope it doesn't, it says more about who we are as a club and fan base than we might like to think.

God it's desperate

It’s just bad around, I get where you’re coming from but I have a friend who knows Alan Knill pretty well & he has no interest in being the main man (if that’s what you’re suggesting).

Going back in for Wilder is a backwards move now, there’s definitely an argument for he should have never been sacked & when you look at where we are now it’s hard to disagree.

But for god sake let’s try something else, there’s some good managers out there who are currently at clubs & unemployed. Much better than Selles who is miles out his depth

 

[Bell4]

And here we are. Again.

The desperation of needing one man back. Interesting that there's no mention of Alan Knill. The guy who is at least 50% of Wilders successes, and whose relationship with Wilder seened to have noticeably cooled somewhat in the last tenure.

A guy who coaches in World and Euro championships while our 'cult hero', for some of us,dances on tables with his cult members

We had a glimpse of someone trying to move us on from Sheffield based narcissism and neediness.

Why can the PL, championship and European teams find good up and coming young managers and we have to go back to him, again?

IF it happens, and I truly hope it doesn't, it says more about who we are as a club and fan base than we might like to think.

God it's desperate

Good post

CW was on the whole wonderful and I for one am very appreciative of what he did for our club . But to bring him back for the third time would demonstrate just how basic and backwards we are .

Come on new owners , get yourselves sorted out and stop looking reactive and clueless

 

[wak1889]

He will be back in charge this week

 

[54yrblade]

It’s just bad around, I get where you’re coming from but I have a friend who knows Alan Knill pretty well & he has no interest in being the main man (if that’s what you’re suggesting).

Going back in for Wilder is a backwards move now, there’s definitely an argument for he should have never been sacked & when you look at where we are now it’s hard to disagree.

But for god sake let’s try something else, there’s some good managers out there who are currently at clubs & unemployed. Much better than Selles who is miles out his depth

Morning mate.

No, not suggesting that AK comes in as boss at all.

It's clear he doesn't want that, but to paint over his name, as is happening, in the clamour for Wilder's return is missing at least 50% of the discussion and is utterly ignorant of the dynamics of that pairing.

But, maybe he is to respectful, professional and quiet for our needs.

Not 'one of our own' in more respects than not being born here.

His name deserves better is all I'm saying.

A symptom of our narcissism around one individual

 

[JD88]

The biggest issue all along is that the owners have tried changing everything in 3 months when the reality is it will take 3 or 4 years to implement everything needed and get it working as they would want it. Sacking CW was not the issue in the summer, hiring a laptop manager who is utterly clueless and out of his depth is the issue. Truth is they should have stuck with CW unless they had a better option, and now we are here. I wasn’t completely against changing in the summer and understood some reasons why you would do it (although I would have stuck) but now I don’t see a better option than CW (Dyche isn’t coming to the champ unlesss for a ridiculous offer)
What happens now and the planning is vital. All the foundations for the club are there, but the structure needs improving and this is a long term job as well as the off field stuff ie training ground.
On the pitch it will improve straight away. The utter horse crap we only played well 4 times last year needs to stop. We will be organised, we will get players who don’t get out run and we will not have our best player sat watching for an hour , or our best striker sat watching for an hour. This squad can still finish top 6 for 2 reasons. One the ability is there and 2 this championship is very poor and as bad as it has been for some time.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Morning mate.

No, not suggesting that AK comes in as boss atcsll.

It's clear he doesn't want that, but to paint over his name, as is happening, in the clamour for Wilder's return is missing at least 50% of the discussion and is utterly ignorant of the dynamics of that pairing

But, maybe he is to respectful, professional and quiet for our needs.

Not 'one of our own' in more respects than not being born here.

His name deserves better is all I'm saying.

Wasn’t quite sure (Knill would be the first manager to not attend press conferences ) but agree with all of what you’ve said

 

[54yrblade]

The biggest issue all along is that the owners have tried changing everything in 3 months when the reality is it will take 3 or 4 years to implement everything needed and get it working as they would want it. Sacking CW was not the issue in the summer, hiring a laptop manager who is utterly clueless and out of his depth is the issue. Truth is they should have stuck with CW unless they had a better option, and now we are here. I wasn’t completely against changing in the summer and understood some reasons why you would do it (although I would have stuck) but now I don’t see a better option than CW (Dyche isn’t coming to the champ unlesss for a ridiculous offer)
What happens now and the planning is vital. All the foundations for the club are there, but the structure needs improving and this is a long term job as well as the off field stuff ie training ground.
On the pitch it will improve straight away. The utter horse crap we only played well 4 times last year needs to stop. We will be organised, we will get players who don’t get out run and we will not have our best player sat watching for an hour , or our best striker sat watching for an hour. This squad can still finish top 6 for 2 reasons. One the ability is there and 2 this championship is very poor and as bad as it has been for some time.

We won't finish top 6 even with CW here. With all the change around the club I suggested 6-12th and stand by it

Even less likely after the start we've made