CONFIRMED Chris Wilder 3.0 - Returns for the third spell.

[wak1889]

He will be back in charge this week

 

[54yrblade]

It’s just bad around, I get where you’re coming from but I have a friend who knows Alan Knill pretty well & he has no interest in being the main man (if that’s what you’re suggesting).

Going back in for Wilder is a backwards move now, there’s definitely an argument for he should have never been sacked & when you look at where we are now it’s hard to disagree.

But for god sake let’s try something else, there’s some good managers out there who are currently at clubs & unemployed. Much better than Selles who is miles out his depth

Morning mate.

No, not suggesting that AK comes in as boss at all.

It's clear he doesn't want that, but to paint over his name, as is happening, in the clamour for Wilder's return is missing at least 50% of the discussion and is utterly ignorant of the dynamics of that pairing.

But, maybe he is to respectful, professional and quiet for our needs.

Not 'one of our own' in more respects than not being born here.

His name deserves better is all I'm saying.

A symptom of our narcissism around one individual

 

[JD88]

The biggest issue all along is that the owners have tried changing everything in 3 months when the reality is it will take 3 or 4 years to implement everything needed and get it working as they would want it. Sacking CW was not the issue in the summer, hiring a laptop manager who is utterly clueless and out of his depth is the issue. Truth is they should have stuck with CW unless they had a better option, and now we are here. I wasn’t completely against changing in the summer and understood some reasons why you would do it (although I would have stuck) but now I don’t see a better option than CW (Dyche isn’t coming to the champ unlesss for a ridiculous offer)
What happens now and the planning is vital. All the foundations for the club are there, but the structure needs improving and this is a long term job as well as the off field stuff ie training ground.
On the pitch it will improve straight away. The utter horse crap we only played well 4 times last year needs to stop. We will be organised, we will get players who don’t get out run and we will not have our best player sat watching for an hour , or our best striker sat watching for an hour. This squad can still finish top 6 for 2 reasons. One the ability is there and 2 this championship is very poor and as bad as it has been for some time.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Morning mate.

No, not suggesting that AK comes in as boss atcsll.

It's clear he doesn't want that, but to paint over his name, as is happening, in the clamour for Wilder's return is missing at least 50% of the discussion and is utterly ignorant of the dynamics of that pairing

But, maybe he is to respectful, professional and quiet for our needs.

Not 'one of our own' in more respects than not being born here.

His name deserves better is all I'm saying.

Wasn’t quite sure (Knill would be the first manager to not attend press conferences ) but agree with all of what you’ve said

 

[54yrblade]

The biggest issue all along is that the owners have tried changing everything in 3 months when the reality is it will take 3 or 4 years to implement everything needed and get it working as they would want it. Sacking CW was not the issue in the summer, hiring a laptop manager who is utterly clueless and out of his depth is the issue. Truth is they should have stuck with CW unless they had a better option, and now we are here. I wasn’t completely against changing in the summer and understood some reasons why you would do it (although I would have stuck) but now I don’t see a better option than CW (Dyche isn’t coming to the champ unlesss for a ridiculous offer)
What happens now and the planning is vital. All the foundations for the club are there, but the structure needs improving and this is a long term job as well as the off field stuff ie training ground.
On the pitch it will improve straight away. The utter horse crap we only played well 4 times last year needs to stop. We will be organised, we will get players who don’t get out run and we will not have our best player sat watching for an hour , or our best striker sat watching for an hour. This squad can still finish top 6 for 2 reasons. One the ability is there and 2 this championship is very poor and as bad as it has been for some time.

We won't finish top 6 even with CW here. With all the change around the club I suggested 6-12th and stand by it

Even less likely after the start we've made

 

[coolasanidiot]

He will be back in charge this week

Great and fairly democratic because its what about 75% on here want and about 95% want that go to the matches!!

 

[This City Is Ours]

If someone could wave a magic wand and make us get 92 points every season and sometimes go up, with the caveat being the style of football is going to be exactly the same as last season, that would be the point at which I would bow out. I go to football to be entertained not watch a number increase on a board

2/3 seasons of boring style football that grinds out results and gets us up to the prem. Then we establish ourselves like a palace or Brentford say, from there we start to play attractive entertaining football with prem quality players. Would you accept that journey?

 

[utd4ever]

Eh???

He left us in the shit the first time around because he'd spent the budget in the summer.

He brought several players in as projects because he thought everything he touched turned to gold.

2nd time round he bottled it at the end. Lost the plot at Plymouth completely.

I suspect he lost his job in the summer as his ego wouldn't let him adapt.

Your question is hypothetical - we never win fuck all.

I can see the logic in the new owners trying to change this, but they've picked the wrong man.

That is spot on.

 

[utd4ever]

2/3 seasons of boring style football that grinds out results and gets us up to the prem. Then we establish ourselves like a palace or Brentford say, from there we start to play attractive entertaining football with prem quality players. Would you accept that journey?

Wouldn’t happen under Wilder….the established prem team.

 

[This City Is Ours]

Wouldn’t happen under Wilder….the established prem team.

Yeah could well be true but what I’m saying is more about our style of play no matter who’s in charge. Sacrifice entertaining football for a while for the end goal I mentioned?

 

[coolasanidiot]

Wouldn’t happen under Wilder….the established prem team.

Last team to establish themselves is Forest and in 3 years they've spent 600 million, the manager is a part of the equation but the main bit is an owner thats willing to bank roll 200 million on players and the same again for wages every season.

Lets just get there - then worry ourselves. We are Sheffield United probably nearer being aligned to a team like Bolton than a team like Man Utd unfortunately.

Right now Chris is a fantastic GO TO - for the situation and mess of a club that it is. We are extremely lucky to have this option.

 

[Bladesman101]

Wilder wouldn’t take it if he was offered it. No chance.

Never been more happy to be wrong

 

[SUFCinks]

Yeah could well be true but what I’m saying is more about our style of play no matter who’s in charge. Sacrifice entertaining football for a while for the end goal I mentioned?

This is the opposite of what we should do. You don’t just switch your style of play up in pre-season whilst stepping up to the hardest league in the world.

It takes a long time to engrain. If you want prem football then you have to lay the foundations of it whilst in the championship and then carry that momentum up. We did that under Wilder in his first stint.

 

[This City Is Ours]

This is the opposite of what we should do. You don’t just switch your style of play up in pre-season whilst stepping up to the hardest league in the world.

It takes a long time to engrain. If you want prem football then you have to lay the foundations of it whilst in the championship and then carry that momentum up. We did that under Wilder in his first stint.

I understand fully what you are saying. My initial point was more aimed at the fact some people didn’t enjoy last season’s football as at times it was boring to watch.

If we had gone up playing that style and then this season in the prem had done the same and got 17th would people still not enjoy it?

 

[SE1Blade]

He will be back in charge this week

How do you know?

 

[54yrblade]

Eh???

He left us in the shit the first time around because he'd spent the budget in the summer.

He brought several players in as projects because he thought everything he touched turned to gold.

2nd time round he bottled it at the end. Lost the plot at Plymouth completely.

I suspect he lost his job in the summer as his ego wouldn't let him adapt.

Your question is hypothetical - we never win fuck all.

I can see the logic in the new owners trying to change this, but they've picked the wrong man.

And the circle jerk around the Sheffield born chosen one will continue.

All the above, plus he went missing after the final. No explanation yet. He literally walked out on us and left those in the ground and 'his' players to deal with a devastating loss alone.

I despise a quitter boss.

 

[LBA_Blade]

One or two noises knocking around now saying it's sorted.

I personally wanted a change after last season, not just because of the play off final result, but just thought that we were lacking ideas in quite a few of the games last season.

But, if he is coming back, then I wish him all the best and hopefully he can get a few quick wins in the bank to lift the mood and see where it goes from there?

Just say this wet dream of some does happen. What happens if he doesn’t start picking up results, how long do we give him. What happens if we are still bottom by Christmas with no chance of promotion are we going to get restless again?

 

[Berkshire Blade]

 

[Slim Man]

Looks like Ruben's been sacked and Chris by all rumours seems to be back in charge.

Let me start this by saying I'm happy he's back in the immediate term and we look fucking hopeless and desperately need to get someone in charge who in knows what they're doing.

The Chris Wilder sticking plaster takes its third dawn.

Quite what the owners expected sacking him to try their own thing in the summer with no football people in between them absolutely beats me. He's a head coach. And he was tasked with changing our whole style and philosophy with 2 coaches and that's it.

Was he ever worthy of the United job? Probably not. Was he ever going to be given a fair crack of the whip by half the fanbase? Definitely not. So he was off on a bad footing anyway, paired with the above it was always doomed to fail.

The rhetoric around his sacking in the week or so leading up to it was that the board was 'split' - there's 7 board members making decisions. They need to entrust one man to make these calls, and I don't mean a manager. Football is too vast now, the manager has enough to focus on with just the team, this is why teams like Brighton, Bournemouth, actual progressive teams can lose a manager and carry on as before. Because there is structure around and above them allowing them to thrive. Unfortunately for Selles he never had that (whether he was up to the job or not).

The issue comes if it starts to go pear shaped with Chris, will they ever dare to sack him again?

I'm excited about him coming back IF we are putting together a football knowledgable team together at board level and below. It can't just be the 7 man board, Steve Bettis and Chris Wilder. Or we are destined to be only ever managed by people who 'know the club' and that gives you a very limited pool of people and most often none of them are exciting.

We're in some sort of Peterborough cinematic universe at the minute, where they can't get away from Darren Ferguson.

We can't keep going back to Chris Wilder. It just shows an ineptitude at board level from both this and the previous board in developing us as a football club to bring us in line with the 21st century. That needs to change, and I hope Chris is involved in making that happen. It's important there's some United DNA in making these decisions it seems.

Good luck Chris; you can't do any fucking worse!

 

[PrestwichBlade]

Just say this wet dream of some does happen. What happens if he doesn’t start picking up results, how long do we give him. What happens if we are still bottom by Christmas with no chance of promotion are we going to get restless again?

As long as he keeps slapping his badge a bit and guz t'pub ndat, it'll be reight

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

 

[Bladesman]

 

[Jimmy Fleck]

Just confirmed on talkSPORT

 

[YES Blade]

I’m completely lost for words if Wilder comes back, the owners clearly haven’t got a clue.

Who sacks a manager then brings him back within a few months? Why even sack him in the first place?

Absolutely crazy situation! You think you’ve seen everything in football then United do this.

 

[dexter101]

It's such a bizarre 4 months. I understood the desire to change, to progress, they just don't seem to have gone about it with any sort of plan?

I am partly joking here but I think the only 5 year plan that I can see working is:
Wilder back in to sort this season's mess out.
Basham to go and work as assistant manager to a "modern day manager"
Director of football appointed with a clear plan on driving academy and recruitment strategy for a long term plan
Wilder takes over as dof in a few years
Basham brings both modern philosophies and bladey blameless as manager
Europe
Cup silverware
Playing beautiful attacking football
Other fans still writing we are a big physical team

Then I wake up

 

[Need4speed]

I know there will be strong opinions about a Wilder reappointment It is probably the quickest fix and that will give us a very outside chance of playoffs still (if only mathematically) However the reasoning behind him leaving will still be there. I want to know what changed between them giving him a new contract in January and deciding to go in a different direction in the summer. What was their long term plan. What will it be now because there is one thing certain if Wilder comes back he will be in a stronger position than before. Is that a good thing?

 

[LBA_Blade]

More likely interim short term contract if it is Wilder until they work out what to do longer term. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s until January or the end of the season

 

[Cheeky Blade]

Get Billy in the building to get the Bladey-Bladeness levels up even moar!

 

[Berkshire Blade]

It was, in my humble opinion, the completely wrong thing to sack him. I guess credit should go to the board for admitting they got it wrong. However this is not the side he left behind. We don't have the physical profile we had with Moore, anel and Souza anymore.

 

[YES Blade]

More likely interim short term contract if it is Wilder until they work out what to do longer term. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s until January or the end of the season

If they were going to do that, wouldn’t they just put someone in caretaker charge for a couple of weeks and complete a full recruitment process now?