For Those Who Want A New Manager - Realistic Suggestions For A Manager Better Than Wilder

[Cheesebored]

3rd, with the 3rd biggest budget. Played the rest of the top 4 7 times.1 win, 6 defeats. 5 scored, 14 conceded. Par might be slightly generous.

In any other season 92 points gets you promoted to the Premier league regardless of budget or which teams you took points off. It's been turgid to watch on occasions, granted, but points wise it's not been a par for the course season. Far from it.

 

[thehet]

We missed out on Rosenior in the summer. I’d have loved him, but he’s levels above us now. I think he’ll end up managing Chelsea.

I think Still has been announced at Southampton?

I would take either of the other two, but I’d be casting the net wider.

Rosenior levels above us??

When he comes out of the farmers league back to proper football we’ll see what he’s made of.

 

[Shadota]

Looks like Manning is off to Norwich

Yeah I've just seen that. Unless they make some substantial investment in the squad, I'm not convinced he'll be any better off there, than he would be staying in Bristol. Seems like a sideways move to me.

 

[Blade56]

if you don't want a history lesson, let's replace a proven manager, with some fuckwit

….my point is there comes a time when change is needed for both club and manager otherwise we would still have Warnock in charge with his impressive historical achievements for us and many more achievements than Wilder with other clubs. Yes, usually we change managers when we get relegated but this is for a different world of reasons.

The ‘historical’ reference is more than the manager to me it’s the ‘game’ the ‘business’ that has changed from our heyday. It’s technical, tactical, athletically different than picking a team thats got pashun and will die for SUFC.

Those days are gone. We need a new ‘business’ management team equipped with the new technologies and attitudes to succeed in todays game not yesterdays.

I love Wilder for what he has achieved for us, liked him as a player for us but, when a marriage goes sour divorce is the only solution.

As for who would I pick? I have no feckin idea! I follow one club in detail, I’m very blinkered these days about foreign managers and players, I’d probably say Dyche but he’s like Wilder, old school. I rely on my sons and lots of knowledgeable people on here for suggestions and critiqued information before I start getting interested.

But I think I know when the marriage is no longer working. Yes, the table and points say fantastic season, but apart from 3 clubs it was one of the weakest Championships ever. Why? Because the ‘old fashioned’ club attitudes like ours are filtering down the leagues while the club I want us to be but can’t be under Wilder (because of his limitations) are rising to the top.

Wow, I remember making that ‘Morris Dancing’ post on BM, I was so angry that night. But rest assured UTB this is not anger. We need to do a Marks and Spencer, the market has changed so we need to change or the new order of doing things will consume and destroy us. We will become a Woolworths or a British Home Stores.

I’ll leave it to AI and Data Driven Analytics to tell me who the right team of people are (not one person) because that’s how it works now!

Alexa……… who should Sheffield United pick to drag them into the 21st century and become a successful PL club? Guaranteed the answer won’t be CWAK

 

[thehet]

….my point is there comes a time when change is needed for both club and manager otherwise we would still have Warnock in charge with his impressive historical achievements for us and many more achievements than Wilder with other clubs.

The ‘historical’ reference is mor than the manager to me it’s the ‘games the ‘business’ it’s changed from our heyday. It’s technical, tactical, athletically different than picking a team that got pashun and will die for SUFC.

Those days are gone. We need a new ‘business’ management team equipped with the new technologies and attitudes to succeed in todays game not yesterdays.

I love Wilder for what he has achieved for us, liked him as a player for us but, when a marriage goes sour divorce is the only solution.

As for who would I pick? I have no feckin idea! I follow one club in detail, I’m very blinkered these days about foreign managers and players. I rely on my sons and lots of knowledgeable people on here for suggestions and critiqued information before I start getting interested.

But I think I know when the marriage is no longer working. Yes, the table and points say fantastic season, but apart from 3 clubs it was one of the weakest Championships ever. Why? Because the ‘old fashioned’ club attitudes like ours are filtering down the leagues while the club I want us to be but can’t be under Wilder (because of his limitations) are rising to the top.

Wow, I remember making that ‘Morris Dancing’ post on BM, I was so angry that night. But rest assured UTB this is not anger. We need to do a Marks and Spencer, change or the new order of doing things will consume and destroy us.

I’ll leave it to AI and Data Driven Analytics to tell me who the right team of people are (not one person) because that’s how it works now!

Alexa……… who should Sheffield United pick to drag them into the 21st century and become a successful PL club? Guaranteed the answer won’t be CWAK

Would you say that Leicester, Southampton and Ipswich have this 21st century setup you’re after?

 

[Blade56]

Would you say that Leicester, Southampton and Ipswich have this 21st century setup you’re after?

Ipswich should have replaced Mcenna, that would have looked harsh but I hate the old ‘he’s earned the right’ attitude. Let’s see if Leeds keep Heir Farke, I’d be surprised. Leicester just picked a big name and are a screw up off the pitch financially, they’ll start next season -6/9 points.

 

[wak1889]

I've lost count of the number of threads on here calling for Wilder's head, with numerous posters demanding someone 'better', but I've yet to see a single suggestion of a better manager who we could realistically get.

So here's a thread for those who want rid of Wilder to name names.

Remember, in order to have a better record than Wilder, the proposed new manager would have to have a better record than this:

• Won promotion from all EFL divisions (Wilder's record: won promotion from League Two with Northampton, won promotion from League One with us, won promotion from the Championship with us).

• Won at least one EFL League with 99 points (Wilder's record: won League Two with 99 points with Northampton)

• Won at least one EFL League with 100 points (Wilder's record: won League One with 100 points with us)

• Won promotion from the Championship with at least 89 points (Wilder's record: won promotion from the Championship with 89 points with us)

• Accumulated at least 92 points in the Championship in one season (Wilder's record: accumulated 92 points in the Championship in one season with us)

• Won at least 28 matches in the Championship in one season (Wilder's record: won 28 matches in the Championship in one season with us)

• Achieved at least a ninth place finishing position in the Premier League (Wilder's record: achieved a ninth place finishing position in the Premier League with us)

• Won the LMA Manager of the Year Award at least once (Wilder's record: won the LMA Manager of the Year Award with us)

If anyone can suggest a manager who has achieved all of the achievements listed above, and more, this thread is your opportunity to name them.

As it seems unfair to ask others to name names without having a go at it myself, I've had a good think about this, and here is my list of all the managers I can think of with a better record than Wilder, who we could realistically get:
























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Why must they have done that to be better than wilder? I would take Farke all day when Leeds get rid

 

[thehet]

Ipswich should have replaced Mcenna, that would have looked harsh but I hate the old ‘he’s earned the right’ attitude. Let’s see if Leeds keep Heir Farke, I’d be surprised. Leicester just picked a big name and are a screw up off the pitch financially, they’ll start next season -6/9 points.

But that hasn’t answered the question in relation to your theory about us being a club set in the 70s compared to all these 21st century models.

 

[Blade56]

But that hasn’t answered the question in relation to your theory about us being a club set in the 70s compared to all these 21st century models.

Sorry, lost in the moment.

No. Hence relegation.

And I didn’t say 70’s but that’s about where we are

Forest are the last club to make the transition, everyone else will be relegated if they don’t act like Forest did. Beware Birmingham and Wrexham, YHIHF

 

[robbiez666]

Is there seriously a thread that says there's no manager in the world who would manage us with a record better than Wilder?

5 seasons in the Championship.
1 promotion
1 play-offs

 

[wak1889]

Everyone will say Steve Cooper, but they’ll be the same people who think signing ex-players is a good idea.

The answer to the OP is that if our owners are serious about owning a football club they need to look outside the obvious candidates.

All managers started somewhere, Wilder just likes telling us that he’s managed over a thousand games and how good he is, some people obviously believe it. He’s a busted flush and hasn’t done anything of note since our first PL season under him.

We need to move on and find someone who might think a little differently and move us into the modern football era.

I have no idea who it is, most likely someone I’ve never heard of and certainly not Cooper or Dyche or other such bland managers.

Jokanovic didn’t work out in the 6 months we gave him so everyone assumes we shouldn’t try something different again, this mentality will always hold us back.

We didn't give jokanovic 6 months he was gone by November

 

[wizadry]

Is there better managers out there than Wilder, ones who’d gladly manage Sheff Utd with a fantastic budget for the league? Of course there is, there’d be a number of candidates who’d love the job and relish managing this great club. Am I going to name them? No, it’s not my job to go and get them, plus if I did name them the board wouldn’t listen to a word I said anyway so it’s rather pointless.

Each to their own but I can’t watch that style of football, especially with the calibre of footballers we had at the lane. Holding not getting more game time when it was as blatant as blatant could be that he’s a better footballer than Robbo has to go down as one of the most baffling decisions all season, that coupled with the decision to play a negative style of football, getting Cooper pumping long balls forward was enough for me, like I say each to their own. I couldn’t personally give a fuck how many points we got, the football has bored me bat crazy senseless!

I’ll finish with this, If Wilder could change his ways it would be a completely different matter but I’m not convinced he could, I think that second season in the prem has took its toll on him unfortunately which is a shame as he gave us some great moments, moments I’ll never forget but you have to adapt and move on.

 

[Bill puntin]

Perhaps wilder should look at a new no 2 someone with new modern ideas that would leave him to do the man management and motivation side which he his second to none, just a thought.

 

[robbiez666]

I'm not suggesting for one second he should be our next manager, but this man has won a trophy at Wembley

 

[Blade56]

I know you never said the manager of Sheffield United is an entry-level role. You went wittering on about entry-level role memes, on a thread whose subject is the position of manager at Sheffield United, a position that is clearly not an entry-level role, which is why I termed your entry-level role 'quip' irrelevant.

As for your: "Feel free to re-read my post and respond when you actually understand what I wrote." You've got a nerve telling someone else to re-read your post, and casting aspersions about their ability to understand things, when you haven't bothered either to read their post properly, nor to get your facts right, when replying to them. As I said in my previous reply to you, your statement that: "Wilder didn't have any of the achievements you list when we first appointed him." is patently untrue, as my list clearly included Wilder's achievement of winning League Two with Northampton with 99 points, which happened before we first appointed him.

So, no, I won't be re-reading the posts of, nor replying further, to someone whose only contribution to this thread has been to ridicule and take snide digs at me and my posts, instead of engaging in meaningful, reasonable discussion, as others on this thread have managed to do, and as is meant to be the purpose of this forum

Plus is Wilder up to PL management? He got us there, he had a great first season but he’s been all downhill from there under him.

I would have liked tekkover to have happened much sooner and Scott Parker in. Younger modern concept manager but hey, I could be 100% wrong

I did make a suggestion back in August 2024, maybe I do know a bit more than a credit myself with

 

[Carlton Blade]

20/21 - No wins in 17. Left when relegation was almost already confirmed. Messy exit. Multiple digs at the fans through the season
21/22 - Took over at Boro in November. Did ok but publicly flirted with the Burnley job.
22/23 - Fired 11 games into the season, winning 2 in 11. Took over at Watford for the last 7 games. Nobody is sure why.
23/24 - Publicly 'healed the rift' with the United owner and positioned himself to take over from Heckingbottom in a move that people would have been furious about if it had been the other way round. Unable to halt an inevitable relegation, a disorganised mess remained a disorganized mess
24/25 - Deserves credit for signing some good players in the summer but was working with a new enviable wage budget. Cooper and Burrows look like great value. Never developed a style of play beyond defensive solidity and relying on Hamer and to a lesser extent JRS to create 1v1. Given huge resources in January and arguably made the team worse. Only Choudhury can be classed as a realpositive and he ended up covering a different position. Refusedto budge tactically tillauto promotion was gone, returned to being timid, box defending, hope for a counter in the play off final. Again, multiple digs at the fans through the season plus expensive issues around player (and his own) discipline.

For everything that was so good from 16-20, do the ladt 5 seasons not offer a more realistic view of what to expect going forward?

 

[Boxer Blade]

I presume your " oh dear" is your assumption that I didn't pick up on the sarcasm in your original post.

Obviously I picked up on it, as it's a bit difficult to miss the 'whack you over the head' level of sarcasm in "see, I know a good manager when I see one."

My reply to you was equally sarcastic, I just decided to use a more subtle level of sarcasm than a nine year old would use, which is presumably why you missed it. That was me being sarcastic, again, there, by the way, just in case you missed it.

Do you have any realistic manager suggestions, by the way, or are you content with your contribution to this thread being stupid childish remarks?

I was being light hearted, and no, you didn't pick it up , grow up.

 

[The Fox]

When did we get so entitled and arrogant that every season we spend in the Championship without getting promoted, is deemed a failure?

It's not a question that fans are entitled or arrogant .

It's a question more for the owners , they set the goal of what success looks like and decide the best chance of achieving it.

Whatever they decide we have to trust them in making the right decision for the club . Fans will never agree , the owners will get it wrong from time to time but standing still ,accepting what we have ,however good, and that is as good as we can expect is unlikely to move the club forward .

 

[CornwallBlade]

Lol at this.

It's at the heart of everything anti-progressive that is Sheffield United Football Club.

Imagine an up and coming manager with a better percentage win rate not getting a chance because they had'nt achieved anything yet.

If every club was like this you'd have dinosaurs managing every Championship club because at one point 20 years ago they got a promotion done.

Do not let past performances overshadow future ambition.

If you don't agree that there are highly rated up and coming managers then you're in denial.

This, and by the same logic, our transfer targets this summer may well involve getting on the phone to Jap Staam for the CB position and asking if any of the other Man U CL winners are available.

 

[itsinyerblood]

My apologies, itsinyourblood - I know it wasn't you who suggested swapping managers for the sake of doing so.

I did say in my previous reply to you that "it seems many on here just want to make change for change's sake", not that you wanted to, but as I put it in my reply to you, I can see why you'd think it was aimed at you - it wasn't. I just got carried away with my train of thought, and included a general comment, not aimed at you or any particular poster, on the end of my reply to you.

Also, I'm certainly not choosing to misread your comments.
You've chosen to take part in the debate in a reasonable manner, as I think you always do, and I appreciate that and value your opinion.

And, yes, it's possible that I'm failing to see beyond my own limitations as far as Wilder is concerned - we had such a long list of abject failures before Wilder's arrival (you mention David Weir ), and the thought of going back to those pre-Wilder days, stuck in League One, with seemingly no hope of ever getting out, makes me shudder. I appreciate that at some point we're going to have to risk that, because we can't keep the same manager forever, but now doesn't feel like the right time to me. To get rid of a manager who had such a successful season with us in terms of the regular season, because he fell at the final hurdle of the play offs, just feels like throwing the baby out with the bath water to me, but I appreciate others feel differently

All fair points, but as much as I appreciate the comments about Wilder it's equally difficult to avoid considering what could have been done better. No one wants to stand on a soapbox spouting events that happened years ago when what's happening today could have been avoided. Of course we'll never know if the inclusion of Holding and Davies would have given us the momentum we lacked in the second half, but like so much of this discussion, it's now, sadly, a theoretical exercise. I must admit to the opinion that bringing Holding to the club remains a mystery. In the few minutes he's played Holding's acquitted himself admirably, but hey ho, such are the never-to-be-explained reasons for not using this or that player.

I think I belong to the view that Wilder is slow to respond to events during a game. This is crucial if you wish to compete at Championship level, let alone Prem level. What may have been appropriate once, even as recently as 10 years ago, has been overtaken by tactical nous that the best managers/coaches seem ready to employ without hesitation.

 

[Youngand70]

20/21 - No wins in 17. Left when relegation was almost already confirmed. Messy exit. Multiple digs at the fans through the season
21/22 - Took over at Boro in November. Did ok but publicly flirted with the Burnley job.
22/23 - Fired 11 games into the season, winning 2 in 11. Took over at Watford for the last 7 games. Nobody is sure why.
23/24 - Publicly 'healed the rift' with the United owner and positioned himself to take over from Heckingbottom in a move that people would have been furious about if it had been the other way round. Unable to halt an inevitable relegation, a disorganised mess remained a disorganized mess
24/25 - Deserves credit for signing some good players in the summer but was working with a new enviable wage budget. Cooper and Burrows look like great value. Never developed a style of play beyond defensive solidity and relying on Hamer and to a lesser extent JRS to create 1v1. Given huge resources in January and arguably made the team worse. Only Choudhury can be classed as a realpositive and he ended up covering a different position. Refusedto budge tactically tillauto promotion was gone, returned to being timid, box defending, hope for a counter in the play off final. Again, multiple digs at the fans through the season plus expensive issues around player (and his own) discipline.

For everything that was so good from 16-20, do the ladt 5 seasons not offer a more realistic view of what to expect going forward?

And contributed to us having to pay £445,000 in fines

 

[Carlton Blade]

And contributed to us having to pay £445,000 in fines

Also known as about 1/20th of a Cannon

 

[SouthStandGBlock]

I wish I were Chris Wilder.

I've done well in my studies and career in the past, but I can only dream of achieving the level of success, and gaining the accolades, that Wilder has, at the elite level he's done it.

That's why it makes me so sad to see the way he's being treated by many supposed supporters of this club now. He's a winner, with a fantastic record that most football managers would be proud of. One frustrating and disappointing play off final loss doesn't change that.

He doesn't deserve the level of disrespect that's being aimed at him at the moment. It's not on.

It's not disrespect, it's objective analysis.

Positives

He's done a good job of the rebuild, got us 92 points and into the PO final. All this against a backdrop of a truly dreadful team last season.

Negatives

He didn't get us promoted which was #1 objective

The footballing spectacle was dire

He looks to have bought another expensive dud

He's still a mardyarse and some of that has resulted in our paying £445k in fines

 

[Carlton Blade]

I wish I were Chris Wilder.

I've done well in my studies and career in the past, but I can only dream of achieving the level of success, and gaining the accolades, that Wilder has, at the elite level he's done it.

That's why it makes me so sad to see the way he's being treated by many supposed supporters of this club now. He's a winner, with a fantastic record that most football managers would be proud of. One frustrating and disappointing play off final loss doesn't change that.

He doesn't deserve the level of disrespect that's being aimed at him at the moment. It's not on.

Then he should have chosen a different profession

 

[Sandygate Blade]

I'm just hoping we hear from the new owners sooner rather than later. We need to know the direction we're going to be heading in. Personally I think we need a change but it's not my decision. Thanks Chris for the memories but all things come to an end.

 

[thehet]

It's not disrespect, it's objective analysis.

Positives

He's done a good job of the rebuild, got us 92 points and into the PO final. All this against a backdrop of a truly dreadful team last season.

Negatives

He didn't get us promoted which was #1 objective

The footballing spectacle was dire

He looks to have bought another expensive dud

He's still a mardyarse and some of that has resulted in our paying £445k in fines

These are fillers in a debate that wouldn’t be happening if we didn’t have a disallowed goal in a one-off game.

 

[UTB Blade]

Is there seriously a thread that says there's no manager in the world who would manage us with a record better than Wilder?

5 seasons in the Championship.
1 promotion
1 play-offs

I've no idea if there's a thread that says "there's no manager in the world who would manage us with a record better than Wilder", as I haven't read every single one of the thousands of threads on this forum. I do know that this thread doesn't say that, at least not in the title or the OP, it simply asks people who want rid of Wilder, to name someone "who would manage us with a record better than Wilder."

It's not unreasonable to ask people advocating a major change in an organisation they purportedly support, to seriously consider whether the major change they advocate, is likely to be better or worse than the status quo.

 

[UTB Blade]

I was being light hearted, and no, you didn't pick it up , grow up.

You're the one making silly childish remarks, but I'm the one that needs to grow up?

 

[RAP51]

Shirley the new owners will use data driven analytics to select new manager. Bit ironic if they us AI and get a foreign manager in after this comment….

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AI doesn't work. I installed a Bladey Blade AI programme to see who it suggested.
CW was 1st, then Nick Montgomery with Billy Sharp 3rd. I think it's got a virus though as Don Goodman was 4th and Micky Adams 5th. I mean Micky Adams ffs

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Gary O'Neil?