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I get that. At times it has felt like Brexiteers mocking Remainers in the aftermath of the referendum. I guess it’s a reflection of the sad state of society in an unhappy and angry country.
Did you leave games 15 minutes before the end to get to the pub? Comfortable finishes were very rare, the last 10 minutes were usually sitting very deep with backs to the wall, hanging on
they were the better team most of the second half
Says the leader of the insufferable Wilder haters.
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Not sure I share your view that people are trying to describe this as a massive failure. There will always be those extremes but I'm not getting that from the majority on here.
Point me to any of my posts where I have said I hate Wilder? While you’re at it, you will probably come across the ones where I say that I’m grateful to him for the first 4 years and that he deserves legend status.
You're not wrong although I did hear from a source that it was actually Simmo's ball coming back down from orbit and it shouldn't have stood as there were 2 balls on the pitch but defo works both ways
Neither am I getting it, yes there is one or two dead against it but reading some posts you’d think those that liked Wilder are all dead against Selles and now are kicking off. It’s simply not true but just a narrative some are going with for some strange reason.
Quite patronising but I cant argue with a lot of it.Have a read of this. I think he's nailed it.
The gamble: making sense of the Chris Wilder sacking
Ben Meakin weighs up the risks, rewards, and reasoning behind a bold decision by new ownership—and why he's ready to roll the dice on a new era at Bramall Lane.
My thoughts are that the majority of fans against the new appointment are from the older generation (no offence intended).
Football has moved on, and it's moved on very quickly in the past 5-10years.
There's a lot of our fanbase who think football is still played with fast wingers down the flanks to whip balls into a target man - "gerrit forrard!".
How many times do you hear groans in the crowd when after 3 or 4 passes into midfield, it eventually comes back to the GK to try and start again. It's all about the press now, and how to beat that press whether going through it, or over it.
Gone are the days of an Overmars, Giggs or Beckham type winger. The best "wingers" these days are Salah, Foden, Grealish etc. these aren't "wingers" as we used to know them, but they play out wide, where wingers used to play. But they don't hug the line like days of old, they drift all over the place. They're hybrid players that operate out wide, as an attacking midfielder and even as strikers.
That's just a couple of examples as to how the game has evolved on the pitch... off the pitch it's evolved too. It's data driven. The United buzzword for this is "AI". This has scared the shit out of our older fans - "what's wrong wi sendin a bluddy scout to gu an watch um?"
When they say AI, they mean data driven transfers. They'll input key stats into the system and tweak it to suit the type of player they need.
Do people think that the Leicester scouts just randomly turned up at a Le Havre game and luckily stumbled across Mahrez? Did Brentford just randomly bump into Mbuemo in the Troyes town centre? Brighton have picked up Barco, Mac Allister and Buonanotte as youngsters from Argentina. They won't have scouts just sat watching games over there hoping to find a gem - they'll gather the data then visit when it seems worthwhile.
I think the fans who are dead against this shift are more scared than disappointed. It's outside their comfort zone. As the article above states - are there any other clubs so reliant on having staff who "get the club"? Maybe it's that mentality that's held us back all these years
¡Vamos, hagámoslo!
It does remind of the debates that this forum was having on the return of Wilder, how many that were dead against it and how many were pro-Wilder. If you look at WIlder MK2, it read's one relegation, no promotion however that isn't the full story with him really taking the reins of a 3 legged donkey in the national whilst in the Premier League. Last season in a way he got unlucky, you had Blaster's injury and in particular Souttar really didn't help. I am not sure when this new "data driven AI" has been launched but can only imagine it was with the intro of COH Sports and not under the Prince, so on that basis, bringing back Wilder wasn't the worst of ideas as it's not like we as a bottom of the table Premier League club with an owner trying to sell were a massively attractive option for many managers but now with this new way of thinking we need someone that can adapt to it. Time will tell
There's always extremes on both sides, and often some people feel the need to be the most extreme, twitter seems to be like that a lot.
I'm defo the older generation (68) but in my experience of people I know and have discussed with during the season and discussed excessively over the last week I'd say it 40% on the Wilder fence and 60% for change as a constant since JanuaryHave a read of this. I think he's nailed it.
The gamble: making sense of the Chris Wilder sacking
Ben Meakin weighs up the risks, rewards, and reasoning behind a bold decision by new ownership—and why he's ready to roll the dice on a new era at Bramall Lane.
My thoughts are that the majority of fans against the new appointment are from the older generation (no offence intended).
Football has moved on, and it's moved on very quickly in the past 5-10years.
There's a lot of our fanbase who think football is still played with fast wingers down the flanks to whip balls into a target man - "gerrit forrard!".
How many times do you hear groans in the crowd when after 3 or 4 passes into midfield, it eventually comes back to the GK to try and start again. It's all about the press now, and how to beat that press whether going through it, or over it.
Gone are the days of an Overmars, Giggs or Beckham type winger. The best "wingers" these days are Salah, Foden, Grealish etc. these aren't "wingers" as we used to know them, but they play out wide, where wingers used to play. But they don't hug the line like days of old, they drift all over the place. They're hybrid players that operate out wide, as an attacking midfielder and even as strikers.
That's just a couple of examples as to how the game has evolved on the pitch... off the pitch it's evolved too. It's data driven. The United buzzword for this is "AI". This has scared the shit out of our older fans - "what's wrong wi sendin a bluddy scout to gu an watch um?"
When they say AI, they mean data driven transfers. They'll input key stats into the system and tweak it to suit the type of player they need.
Do people think that the Leicester scouts just randomly turned up at a Le Havre game and luckily stumbled across Mahrez? Did Brentford just randomly bump into Mbuemo in the Troyes town centre? Brighton have picked up Barco, Mac Allister and Buonanotte as youngsters from Argentina. They won't have scouts just sat watching games over there hoping to find a gem - they'll gather the data then visit when it seems worthwhile.
I think the fans who are dead against this shift are more scared than disappointed. It's outside their comfort zone. As the article above states - are there any other clubs so reliant on having staff who "get the club"? Maybe it's that mentality that's held us back all these years
¡Vamos, hagámoslo!
I've been a fan of Selles for a few years, I can absolutely see why he's an attractive prospect. I can also understand why Wilder was sacked, in football nowadays you can get sacked when hitting par, and you can even get sacked when exceeding expectations.
Nailed it pal.Have a read of this. I think he's nailed it.
The gamble: making sense of the Chris Wilder sacking
Ben Meakin weighs up the risks, rewards, and reasoning behind a bold decision by new ownership—and why he's ready to roll the dice on a new era at Bramall Lane.
My thoughts are that the majority of fans against the new appointment are from the older generation (no offence intended).
Football has moved on, and it's moved on very quickly in the past 5-10years.
There's a lot of our fanbase who think football is still played with fast wingers down the flanks to whip balls into a target man - "gerrit forrard!".
How many times do you hear groans in the crowd when after 3 or 4 passes into midfield, it eventually comes back to the GK to try and start again. It's all about the press now, and how to beat that press whether going through it, or over it.
Gone are the days of an Overmars, Giggs or Beckham type winger. The best "wingers" these days are Salah, Foden, Grealish etc. these aren't "wingers" as we used to know them, but they play out wide, where wingers used to play. But they don't hug the line like days of old, they drift all over the place. They're hybrid players that operate out wide, as an attacking midfielder and even as strikers.
That's just a couple of examples as to how the game has evolved on the pitch... off the pitch it's evolved too. It's data driven. The United buzzword for this is "AI". This has scared the shit out of our older fans - "what's wrong wi sendin a bluddy scout to gu an watch um?"
When they say AI, they mean data driven transfers. They'll input key stats into the system and tweak it to suit the type of player they need.
Do people think that the Leicester scouts just randomly turned up at a Le Havre game and luckily stumbled across Mahrez? Did Brentford just randomly bump into Mbuemo in the Troyes town centre? Brighton have picked up Barco, Mac Allister and Buonanotte as youngsters from Argentina. They won't have scouts just sat watching games over there hoping to find a gem - they'll gather the data then visit when it seems worthwhile.
I think the fans who are dead against this shift are more scared than disappointed. It's outside their comfort zone. As the article above states - are there any other clubs so reliant on having staff who "get the club"? Maybe it's that mentality that's held us back all these years
¡Vamos, hagámoslo!
I realise he's your mate but this makes you sound about 12.
Exactly my thoughts.
If they are saying we should have been far better, I agree. We didn't perform to our potential last season, or at least I'd hope that wasn't our potential.
Did any team perform to their potential last season? I think Farke is a great manager, but they threw away plenty of points last season unnecessarily.
Are you talking in terms of points or performances? I would say the likes of Bristol City and Millwall exceeded their potential.
Millwall came on strong late, but the same squad earlier in the season was in a relegation battle, so you could say they didn't play to their potential throughout the season (although they clearly exceeded expectations). Bristol City gave us two battles in the league season, then collapsed in the play offs.
The difference being, Burnley upped their game when needed and when put under pressure. We didn't. We were the epitome of a flat-track bully, but when the pressure came, I'm afraid we were found wanting
, but based on what I saw with my own eyes, we weren't one of the top two sides in the league. We were probably the third best, possibly the fourth, to the naked eye, and if we were to play last season again, I think we'd end up with around 75 points. What we were good at was beating sides outside of the top six, which, in all honesty, is usually good enough for promotion. Wilder did a good job last season, but there was more in the squad that he got out of it.“Luck!” Really? You believe that accumulating 92 points across a full season in arguably the most competitive league in the world is down to luck? You talk about calling time on “the 92 point myth”. It’s not a myth, it’s a fact. Your evidence for calling time is your personal view of what constitutes “luck.” Sorry, not convinced.
I'm not saying all of it was luck, but there were a lot of games which we won that we shouldn't have and didn't deserve to. Luck played a part in the final outcome. We ground out more results than Leeds or Burnley had to and made a lot of games very difficult for ourselves. That was my main point. If we played the same way next season as we did last season then I highly doubt we'd equal that tally and would fall short.
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