Wilder contract

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tincan said:
He is responsible for 2 of the worst ever relegations. To do this he has spent more than the entire 135yr history of our transfer budget combined. He has only just managed to win a home game, our first since December 23 and his PL PPG remains .48.
if my investment group, wanted to put a record like that in charge of my funds investment performance , I would be soon gone.
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He also finished 9th in the premier league
 
A new contract not yet, not after how he left and the fact he has more work to do to prove he has turned a corner with how he manages. It's good he is going for a new formation with new players but as we saw against QPR he allowed us to throw that game away.

If we are still doing well come December then you want to start talking contracts.
 
tincan said:
He is responsible for 2 of the worst ever relegations. To do this he has spent more than the entire 135yr history of our transfer budget combined. He has only just managed to win a home game, our first since December 23 and his PL PPG remains .48.
if my investment group, wanted to put a record like that in charge of my funds investment performance , I would be soon gone.
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Were you cheering when we won division one with a100 points after 6 fucking years in the division, beat the pigs 2-4 in arguably one of most pleasing victories for donkeys and then achieving promotion to the premier league and then finishing 9th?
I'm not an accountant, just trying to balance the books with your argument.
 
Didnt Hecky get a staggering 5 year deal or am I making that up? We all knew he weren't going to last that long either.

Wilder at least deserves a 2/3 year deal if we're doing well at Xmas.
 
Not sure I would be offering Wilder a 3 year deal atm. I would though be offering him an extended deal, probably 2 years.

Some say why offer him something now as he needs to prove himself again after a bad spell prior to this season. But the signs of him turning the corner and having the right type of fire back in his belly again are there to see. I can also see the merit in showing him he has the confidence of the board (whoever actually owns) and that will bring stability and a longer term vision. He will come good again and if we back him I see him taking us from strength to strength. He makes mistakes, has made them (don't we all?) but I think he knows that deep down and has thought long and hard about that. I think he's the old Wilder again and he is hungry for success. We should but into that.

Who else...Scotty Parker....Frank Lampard....fuck off. Wilder all day and 16 times this side of Sunday for me.
 
Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou said:
Didnt Hecky get a staggering 5 year deal or am I making that up? We all knew he weren't going to last that long either.

Wilder at least deserves a 2/3 year deal if we're doing well at Xmas.
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Hecky’s deal length was to match the contract he was on with the u23’s. A HR person will know better but I don’t think we could offer him a promotion from u23 to first team on a shorter contract than he already had without paying some of his existing contract up.

I might be wrong though.
 
Houston_Blade said:
Signed by Hecky.
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And I'd argue one looks like he's no stranger to a fish supper and the other was the only player getting struck down by cramp on Sunday....

As we saw last season the physical demands of the PL are unbelievable. If Wilder is to be successful at the next level he needs to get his head round this....
 
Houston_Blade said:
Hecky’s deal length was to match the contract he was on with the u23’s. A HR person will know better but I don’t think we could offer him a promotion from u23 to first team on a shorter contract than he already had without paying some of his existing contract up.

I might be wrong though.
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Makes sense that mate! Thought at the time it was long.
 
Boxer Blade said:
Were you cheering when we won division one with a100 points after 6 fucking years in the division, beat the pigs 2-4 in arguably one of most pleasing victories for donkeys and then achieving promotion to the premier league and then finishing 9th?
I'm not an accountant, just trying to balance the books with your argument.
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That's the whole point isn't it! You're both factually correct when it comes to Wilder. His best is right up there with anything we've ever seen, but his worst is right down there. As high as the highs were, the 2nd PL seasonal and last season left much more of an emotional memory....
 
IdLiketoRogerMoore said:
And I'd argue one looks like he's no stranger to a fish supper and the other was the only player getting struck down by cramp on Sunday....

As we saw last season the physical demands of the PL are unbelievable. If Wilder is to be successful at the next level he needs to get his head round this....
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He certainly doesn’t want them bonding over a few beers as if it was still the 80s if he has any aspirations to be a PL manager.
 
Nick Jansky said:
He certainly doesn’t want them bonding over a few beers as if it was still the 80s if he has any aspirations to be a PL manager.
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When he was telling those anecdotes during that Colin Murray interview, it suddenly became clear why he struggled to find work and why we've now struggled under him for the past two seasons at that level ...
 
IdLiketoRogerMoore said:
When he was telling those anecdotes during that Colin Murray interview, it suddenly became clear why he struggled to find work and why we've now struggled under him for the past two seasons at that level ...
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Reminds me a lot of warnock

Get beers in, rant a bit, blame game - but can motivate a bunch of ‘lads’

Elite players now are complex beasts, do you think Halland is motivated and made a better player by chugging a few pints down 😂

Top 8 but stay in EFL, stick with Wilder

Soon as were promoted, he goes for someone who can compete at the top level
 

I see the usual 'Wilder out' suspects are having to modify their stance slightly having seen the squad that CW has assembled on a shoestring, in a matter of months.

To - yes but.
 
s20Blade said:
Because he is extremely mardy when we lose alot like we will if we go up, also trumps him getting new contracts every two minutes like he did with us a few years ago.
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Don't see a reason there to promise somebody something and then shaft them. Reyt laugh. Expect you clapped Jebbo off at the weekend.

Also, it didn't do us that bad a few years ago did it, one half a season aside.

Personally think there's something to be said to a manager having a bit of security, especially if they're hungry.
 
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Houston_Blade said:
I honestly don’t think anyone would have him now.

He was hot property a few years ago, small budget promotions, innovative tactics. Now he’s just a badge thumping manager who only likes buying British players because they have a beer at a weekend.
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Absolute nonsense.

Maybe living in the US and seeing this, clouds your judgement.


What happened to the Houston Oilers?

The Oilers made consecutive playoff appearances from 1978-80 and from 1987-93. The team relocated from Houston to Tennessee in 1997 and played as the Tennessee Oilers for two years before the team changed its name to the Titans before the 1999 season.
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Lets change our name and move our club to a different city.
 
What Mr Wilder did on the cash he had to spend that first season he took us up, was nothing short of a miracle. But without the finance and support you need to compete at that level, he had no chance. of staying there.
If a team like Leeds with their backing couldn't compete there what chance did we have, and it's worse now than it was then.
Wake up and smell the coffee, Mr Wilder is our best chance of getting there, and we can do that, but please don't disrespect or blame the manager when we come back down again. ......:tumbleweed:
 
IdLiketoRogerMoore said:
That's the whole point isn't it! You're both factually correct when it comes to Wilder. His best is right up there with anything we've ever seen, but his worst is right down there. As high as the highs were, the 2nd PL seasonal and last season left much more of an emotional memory....
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As I said, just trying to balance the books
 
If the new owners truly see Wilder as their first choice manager, it would make financial sense to offer him a longer term contract now, rather than after the success they must believe he'll have. If they think he's got something 'special' that fits with this club that is almost impossible to replicate, that's another reason to act now.

Personally, I think he has a lot to prove on his ability to manage players who aren't as tactically disciplined as those who were around in his first successful period. I don't believe that United are different enough from others that 'knowing the club' is a big deal so it should come down to his tactical versatility and motivational skills with what is a talented but potentially difficult to balance squad.

Jury is still out, I think. I'd possibly consider an automatic extension that would kick in based on whatever was considered to be a 'successful season'
 

Bennyand the Blades said:
What Mr Wilder did on the cash he had to spend that first season he took us up, was nothing short of a miracle. But without the finance and support you need to compete at that level, he had no chance. of staying there.
If a team like Leeds with their backing couldn't compete there what chance did we have, and it's worse now than it was then.
Wake up and smell the coffee, Mr Wilder is our best chance of getting there, and we can do that, but please don't disrespect or blame the manager when we come back down again. ......:tumbleweed:
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Absolutely spot on. Wilder is the only reason we have been in the Premier League in recent years. Had he not taken over when he did, I suspect we’d still be in League 1 or worse.
As you say … in order to compete in the PL you need to pay out big wages and recruit established players. Our ownership has simply never been able to do finance that.
People who criticise the way he left should remember how irrational supporting the Blades makes the average fan… so how bad must it be to watch all your hard work chucked away by an owner who can’t match your passion and ability?
 
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