Wilder contract

[Blade45]

Why is it that when we sign bad players it’s the boards fault, but when we sign good ones then it’s all Wilders efforts?

Not sure where I’ve said that pal, but obviously it goes both ways. Wilder can (and has) been blamed for some horrendous signings like Brewster, Mousset, and even Grbic, quite rightfully so in my opinion.

But, and it may be too early to tell, he’s done good business this summer. He deserves praise for it, so long as we have this old model where the manager makes transfer decisions.

 

[Sheffsteel]

That's football fickleness for you. But come Christmas his stock could be really high, it changes that fast.

Agree his stock could be high amongst Blades but don’t think his stock can be really high nationally until he has us challenging for Europe in the PL.

Even in the Championship he’s damaged his reputation so much he’s classed as a busted flush. No one will want him because they’ll say he can only do it with Sheff Utd.

Logically if he has zero options apart from SUFC then there’s zero pressure to negotiate, he’s not going anywhere.

I never had any doubt he’d do well for us in the Championship but I’m not sure he’s good enough for the Premier League, so regards the new owners, if we fail in the playoffs then I’d give him another 2 years but if we gain promotion there is a case for letting his contract expire and appoint someone with more top flight experience.

However I’d keep him at the club for a few years and even if he’s sacked as manager try to give him a role at the club.

 

[SwissBlade]

Not sure where I’ve said that pal, but obviously it goes both ways. Wilder can (and has) been blamed for some horrendous signings like Brewster, Mousset, and even Grbic, quite rightfully so in my opinion.

But, and it may be too early to tell, he’s done good business this summer. He deserves praise for it, so long as we have this old model where the manager makes transfer decisions.

Imagine that…. Not every signing works out every time

Makes me laugh. Mousset gave us some of our best times before he fell off a cliff

 

[Blade45]

Agree his stock could be high amongst Blades but don’t think his stock can be really high nationally until he has us challenging for Europe in the PL.

Even in the Championship he’s damaged his reputation so much he’s classed as a busted flush. No one will want him because they’ll say he can only do it with Sheff Utd.

Logically if he has zero options apart from SUFC then there’s zero pressure to negotiate, he’s not going anywhere.

I never had any doubt he’d do well for us in the Championship but I’m not sure he’s good enough for the Premier League, so regards the new owners, if we fail in the playoffs then I’d give him another 2 years but if we gain promotion there is a case for letting his contract expire and appoint someone with more top flight experience.

However I’d keep him at the club for a few years and even if he’s sacked as manager try to give him a role at the club.

Hey, it’s fine by me if he can only do it at Sheff United!

 

[Blade45]

Imagine that…. Not every signing works out every time

Makes me laugh. Mousset gave us some of our best times before he fell off a cliff

That maybe 10 game run in the premier league was something special, dunno where he is now. Good player in there, still would take him over Brewster! (maybe not)

 

[SwissBlade]

That maybe 10 game run in the premier league was something special, dunno where he is now. Good player in there, still would take him over Brewster! (maybe not)

Brewster has been a disaster not because of his ability but because of injuries and fitness issues which have plagued him.

 

[Sheffsteel]

I don’t think there’s a better fit for us as a club.

Us fans (bar a few) love him, and he seemingly loves the club. Think the way his last tenure ended would mean that doesn’t happen again.

You do realise that if we’d have lost to Watford there would be loads on here and FB demanding he’s sacked.

I like Wilders honesty and passion. He tends to wear his heart on his sleeve especially when it comes to United.

This is a double edged sword. When Wilder is on a good run he had an aura of confidence and authority around him. This is contagious and really boosts the fanbase and the players turning us into an unstoppable force.

However when Wilder has bad results and he comes under pressure, he shows it. He seems to age and start looking ill. Becomes irritable, makes excuses and looks to blame others.

That’s why the Watford win was massive, it keeps the team on the tracks. We were already under instant pressure due to starting on minus 2 points. If we lost to Watford there would have been a meltdown with many so called Blades screaming for him to be sacked.

 

[Bladezz]

You do realise that if we’d have lost to Watford there would be loads on here and FB demanding he’s sacked.

I like Wilders honesty and passion. He tends to wear his heart on his sleeve especially when it comes to United.

This is a double edged sword. When Wilder is on a good run he had an aura of confidence and authority around him. This is contagious and really boosts the fanbase and the players turning us into an unstoppable force.

However when Wilder has bad results and he comes under pressure, he shows it. He seems to age and start looking ill. Becomes irritable, makes excuses and looks to blame others.

That’s why the Watford win was massive, it keeps the team on the tracks. If we lost to Watford there would have been a meltdown with many so called Blades screaming for him to be sacked.

We are unbeaten in the league! We had a meltdown with our defence against QPR that has since been rectified.

One result doesn’t change anything negatively or positively.

It seems the powers that be don’t agree with you and are looking to offer him a new deal.

 

[Blade45]

Brewster has been a disaster not because of his ability but because of injuries and fitness issues which have plagued him.

Agreed, you aren’t such a lethal player at youth level and highly rated by Klopp if you aren’t good at football. Very unfortunate story. I think that when he leaves us (want him to find good but I’m not sure that’ll happen) he should go down to League 1 or 2. Get some confidence back in him. Who knows, maybe he’ll be a really late bloomer.

 

[SwissBlade]

Agreed, you aren’t such a lethal player at youth level and highly rated by Klopp if you aren’t good at football. Very unfortunate story. I think that when he leaves us (want him to find good but I’m not sure that’ll happen) he should go down to League 1 or 2. Get some confidence back in him. Who knows, maybe he’ll be a really late bloomer.

I think he’s got a part to play this season if he keeps fit

 

[Blade45]

I think he’s got a part to play this season if he keeps fit

Perhaps so. Especially if Moore keeps playing the way he is.

 

[UddersBlade]

Ridiculous to offer him a new deal right now. Smacks of complete lack of experience by new owners. Wilders stock outside S2 is pretty low right now. If he fails here he’ll be League 1/2 next job. However, if he can get us in top 6 by Xmas, that is the time we should be talking about a new contract & coincide that with giving him significant backing on the January transfer window.

 

[Tom Bott]

Mousset gave us some of our best times before he fell off a cliff

Or did Wilder push him, In the library, with a spicy kebab ?

 

[Tom Bott]

But, and it may be too early to tell, he’s done good business

Coutts ,Duffy, McGoldrick, Egan, O'Connell, Henderson, Cooper, O'Hare, Ben Brereton Diaz, Baldock etc etc etc.

But.....Brewster gerrim aaht.

 

[bladesmanluke]

Best manager we've had since Basset. Get the contract in front of him

 

[SGBlade]

I love wilder and think he’s doing a great job this season so far. I also think it’s important to give your key employees job security because they’ll tend to perform better. I don’t believe the ‘play for a contract’ motivation stuff. Maybe it works on players for a very short spell. But in a role that involves medium-term planning (ie the manager), having a medium-term contract is going to get the best results.

That said, 3 years is a very long time in football. I’d have extended it to end of next year instead. We’re not protecting an asset in Wilder and it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that we don’t win for the next 5 games and we sack him. I wonder if this is the prince rewarding / protecting him before the takeover. Wouldn’t be too pissed off if that’s the case - I consider wilder a true blades legend, despite the ups and downs.

 

[Blade45]

Coutts ,Duffy, McGoldrick, Egan, O'Connell, Henderson, Cooper, O'Hare, Ben Brereton Diaz, Baldock etc etc etc.

But.....Brewster gerrim aaht.

I think Wilder does very well operating on a budget. Very good in the loan market as well. Problem comes when you give him lots of muneh.

 

[Bladesman]

Imagine that…. Not every signing works out every time

Makes me laugh. Mousset gave us some of our best times before he fell off a cliff

He fell into a bowl of pasta.

He is still a free agent by the way.

 

[Tom Bott]

Problem comes when you give him lots of muneh.

Problem comes when you are in the in the PL, when any player from whichever league with 'potential' has an an extra '0' added on transfers and wages.

That extra '0' makes a big social media difference.

Leon Clarke was given an extra '0' with his new contract from the club and only scored one goal afterwards.

Leon Clarke - success or failure ?

Chris wilder - success or failure for signing Leon Clarke.

 

[Tom Bott]

Leeds United have sold some £ 145 million worth of players this summer.

Weren't good enough or coached well enough to keep them in the PL, weren't good enough or coached well enough to get them promoted from the championship last season.

Too expensive to keep for the championship this season.

Maybe we should get Bielsa for our next manager ?

Or any of the other 5 managers they have had since ??????

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Why is it that when we sign bad players it’s the boards fault, but when we sign good ones then it’s all Wilders efforts?

I do know something... Wilder this season will gain more points than your mate Danny Rohl

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Think it’s because several players like O’Hare, Rak Sakyi etc all commented that Wilder sold the club and was a massive reason why they choose us over other clubs. In the window we’ve managed to bring in most of our 1st choice options and Wilder had a big influence on that happening.

I'm sure nearly all 10 of the new signings commented on CW pitch and a big reason why they joined here.

 

[jono_t2000]

Like others have said he's done a really good job so far.. but we're only 4 games into this season, wayyy too early to offer a 3 year contract.

 

[BrisBlade]

Like others have said he's done a really good job so far.. but we're only 4 games into this season, wayyy too early to offer a 3 year contract.

I'm not against a new contract, but 3 years seems excessive for any manager. My starting position would be a guaranteed extra year if we are top six this season and a guaranteed further year if we are in the PL at the start of the following season (with incentive payments being part of the package). CW may have other things in mind - like a 3-year unconditional deal - so it's likely to be a negotiation if he stays.

 

[Blade56]

They don’t know what they’re doing
They don’t know what they’re doing

 

[Blade56]

Brewster has been a disaster not because of his ability but because of injuries and fitness issues which have plagued him.

Tend to disagree on his ability. He showed it in youth teams and a run in Swanseas side but I’d question his ability at this level now, think he could be destined to be a journeyman or a project player on much lower contract terms we’ve got him on.

 

[Eric_Brooks]

This transfer window feels different to any other transfer window I can remember. It has been patient and coherent. I don't believe that this window has been down to Wilder alone and has what appears to be some outside consultation work.

Previously we would have just been getting a few faces through the door in the last minute. When I turn round and be patient myself I am struggling to see who would have been value for money in the market, and we definitely have had a value for money window.

This way players like Peck will get their wings, where previously we would have brought in a 'Tom Davies'

It's the first time I feel like their has been a plan from the outset and long may this new strategy continue. And this all whilst dealing with the 'takeover' and either way that works out we can pay the bills until the end of the season at least.

Should Wilder get a new contract? I don't think we need to worry about that just yet. I want to see how long he can keep biting his lip under the new process.

 

[Hilly]

Coutts ,Duffy, McGoldrick, Egan, O'Connell, Henderson, Cooper, O'Hare, Ben Brereton Diaz, Baldock etc etc etc.

But.....Brewster gerrim aaht.

Sorry to be a pedant but Clough signed Coutts.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Imagine that…. Not every signing works out every time

Makes me laugh. Mousset gave us some of our best times before he fell off a cliff

Mousset more than covered what he cost in those games because it helped keep us up.
Nobody knows the details of the deal, what break clauses or compensation requirements it may contain.

One thing you don’t do is look to go into contract negotiations when the other party has the whip hand. This side has shown it should be in and around the top 6 so you don’t introduce disruption with a critical member of staff halfway through a project especially when you should be using that time to discuss strengthening the squad in Jan. You talk now while his stock is lower and he’s keen to negotiate. If you need to make a change in November then you do it, which is why you put the break clause in.

A new contract gives the manager the confidence to keep doing what he’s doing, gives a strong message to the players that he’s here and he’s going to be backed and it creates stability during a transition. It’s exactly what you should do, especially as it costs very little in real terms if you want to undo it.

 

[SE1Blade]

Wilder needs a new contract. No player worth their salt will sign for a manager with only 6 months left. We need both short and long term planning and need a management team to be included in that.

He has proved before he knows the league and this transfer window has been one of the best I can remember for trimming squad size and budget yet improving the quality of the first 11 and lowering the average age.

The fact he is a blade is a double edged sword, however we’ve seen before with people who don’t understand the club, and try to change the style of play it doesn’t quite work the same (Robson, Slav).

When he first came people said he was a 442 man only yet after 3 games changed to a back 3 and innovated football taking us from league one to 9th in the prem and I believe would have got into Europe if it wasn’t for Covid.

This time people were saying he’ll stick with 352 and has already introduced a new system.

I understand why people have reservations after how he left, but he’s the best man for the job. I don’t think there is a realistic manager out there who has a better pedigree or track record.