Outgoing? McBurnie

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I haven’t seen much from him since he signed for us, nor from Brewster, but given their respective records in the championship, the outlay to bring both in and the fact they’re both young, fast and have a point to prove, we would be mental to let either of them leave.

With a quality creative midfielder, they should be getting 40 between them.
 
Champagneblade said:
I don't see much difference between 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 to be honest.

Example:
4-2-3-1
Ramsdale
Baldock Egan O'Connell Norrington-Davies
Norwood Fleck
Burke McGoldrick Sessegnon
Sharp

4-3-3
Ramsdale
Baldock Egan O'Connell Norrington-Davies
Norwood McGoldrick Fleck
Burke Sharp Sessegnon

Once you decide one of your midfield 3 in 4-3-3 will be a little more advanced, it's hardly different to suggesting you'll have a no. 10 who will be slightly withdrawn behind your centre forward in a 4-2-3-1. It's then two wide players trying to get the ball in the box for the striker or supporting Midfielders.

No matter how it gets drawn on the chalk board the two formations probably have very little practical difference.😁

I think too much gets made of formations to at least a point. It is how you decide to play which seems to be Jokanovic's main difference that we will aim to dominate possession more, something I feel Didzy would help with.

That said it is a pity we didn't try any of the above to answer some of the open questions. Burke isn't a striker. But if he role is to run like buggery and put the ball in the mixer, maybe he will be a greater asset. He can certainly strip someone for pace. Does Billy really need it on a plate? He just needs it in the mixer enough times and he'll do the rest.
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yes it is similar think 4231 might just be slightly more defensive than 433 both systems have 1 striker as the focal point up front with pacey wide players getting up in support both systems are better than the outdated 2 strikers set up hopefully sj goes for 433
 
brownblade said:
Your punditry isn't exactly top class, but nobody is constantly berating you for it.

You realise calling professional footballers, (that have also represented their country) "shite" just makes your opinions look 110% ignorable?

I'm unsure when (if ever) some fans will realise what a star studded league the Prem is... Looking a bit out of your depth amongst the world's best, or struggling for form... Definitely does not make you "shite" at football.
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Sadly, I do not get paid for my punditry - just offering my two cents on a fan forum.

Sorry, how is me calling McBurnie "shite" ignorable? Because he is a professional football player he is immune to scrutiny? Need I remind you that the fans of Scotland do not think particularly high of him either?

Is it wrong for me to think that someone who gets paid a lot of money (20K+/week) to score goals, should score goals? I think you hit on one thing, and that is the level of play at the EPL level. McBurnie might be effective at the Championship level, but he is woefully under qualified for the EPL life ~hence my shite comment ;)

Again, just my two cents ;) UTB!
 
Toronto Blade fan said:
Sadly, I do not get paid for my punditry - just offering my two cents on a fan forum.

Sorry, how is me calling McBurnie "shite" ignorable? Because he is a professional football player he is immune to scrutiny? Need I remind you that the fans of Scotland do not think particularly high of him either?

Is it wrong for me to think that someone who gets paid a lot of money (20K+/week) to score goals, should score goals? I think you hit on one thing, and that is the level of play at the EPL level. McBurnie might be effective at the Championship level, but he is woefully under qualified for the EPL life ~hence my shite comment ;)

Again, just my two cents ;) UTB!
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This season none of the strikers have had any service whatsoever. It’s akin to berating an artist for not drawing you 15 sketches when he hasn’t been given any pencils or paper.
 
Rodley said:
This season none of the strikers have had any service whatsoever. It’s akin to berating an artist for not drawing you 15 sketches when he hasn’t been given any pencils or paper.
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What's McGoldricks excuse?

I just don't have faith he can perform at the EPL level. He does not do anything particularly well. If anything, his play has regressed over the past year.
 
Rodley said:
This season none of the strikers have had any service whatsoever. It’s akin to berating an artist for not drawing you 15 sketches when he hasn’t been given any pencils or paper.
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As has been pointed out in Deadbats strikers thread, McBurnie has missed a number of presentable chances. Xg numbers bear this out.
 
Revolution said:
As has been pointed out in Deadbats strikers thread, McBurnie has missed a number of presentable chances. Xg numbers bear this out.
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This. Which points to a significant technical problem. Who would have thunked that ?😉👀.

Seriously though, there appears to be a groundswell of media coverage around how Utd have failed Oli, in the sense of the “role” he has been asked to play as opposed to how Oli has failed to live up to his billing. There does appear to be genuine interest from multiple clubs where we might recoup a big chunk of our outlay.

So, bearing in mind the likes of Nuno, Gerrard and Moyes, elite level and experienced football professionals, all seem to be interested, have I been wrong all along ??

Let’s see. Shall we 👍👀.

UTB
 
Interesting one. My first reaction is to sell if we get the right price but as said in the video he has had success at championship level so maybe we should persever. On balance it would depend on the money being offered for him for me. Hopefully we’re beyond the days of accepting a packet of Walkers and a tube of Rolos for our players although I think some on here would take that!!!
 
ancientblade said:
dont think hes worth it but 15m for me and he can go
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I’d tend to agree but it’s like trading youtpr car in. £15m might seem like a good price until you start looking for a new car and they’re all £20m for a similar model to what you’ve already got.
However, if Jebbinson can cut the mustard in the championship to replace McBambie then it frees up £15 to help build a new midfield.
 

Blade56 said:
I’d tend to agree but it’s like trading youtpr car in. £15m might seem like a good price until you start looking for a new car and they’re all £20m for a similar model to what you’ve already got.
However, if Jebbinson can cut the mustard in the championship to replace McBambie then it frees up £15 to help build a new midfield.
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Anything from Jebbison I'd suggest is a bonus. I don't think we go into the season with any reliance on a 17 year old. Great if he makes himself unstoppable.

There is a price for McBurnie where it just doesn't make sense to get rid when we are entering a division he's done well at. Anything else than 15m, you may as well keep.
 
Blade56 said:
I’d tend to agree but it’s like trading youtpr car in. £15m might seem like a good price until you start looking for a new car and they’re all £20m for a similar model to what you’ve already got.
However, if Jebbinson can cut the mustard in the championship to replace McBambie then it frees up £15 to help build a new midfield.
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I think I've mentioned this before but there is no way you couldn't get a better player than Oli McBurnie for that money if you looked outside the Prem flop/Championship stalwart/League One star market.

Leicester are about to buy Odsone Édouard from Celtic for £15m for example.
 
Jebbison has to be used sparingly as he is only young
Play him all the time when he will be spending his time doing nothing but ticking over fitness wise and learning formations and tactics for forthcoming games will not allow him to develop as a striker. He needs one on one specialist training from a striker coach, technique, movement, timing etc.
 
HibbyBlade said:
I think I've mentioned this before but there is no way you couldn't get a better player than Oli McBurnie for that money if you looked outside the Prem flop/Championship stalwart/League One star market.

Leicester are about to buy Odsone Édouard from Celtic for £15m for example.
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Isn't the reason Edouard's price is relatively low is due to him entering the final year of his current contract, whilst McBurnie still has 2/3 on his? Also worth comparing salaries - Leicester are very decent payers and whilst McBurnie is one of the top earners at Utd, he'll be on 2-3 times less than Edouard will be following his move.
 
Mouth of the South said:
Isn't the reason Edouard's price is relatively low is due to him entering the final year of his current contract, whilst McBurnie still has 2/3 on his? Also worth comparing salaries - Leicester are very decent payers and whilst McBurnie is one of the top earners at Utd, he'll be on 2-3 times less than Edouard will be following his move.
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Those are all factors, but I'm not saying we should go for Edouard specifically, I'm just using him as an example of what £15m buys if you look hard enough.

I find this acceptance that £15-20m automatically means the best you can get is some 10 goal a season journeyman pretty blinkered.
 
HeCanDoMagic said:
How many goals did McBurnie get in his last championship season?
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The more I see of him the more I feel he is a player who is going to build a career off one freak season. Connor Sammon with a price tag.

His abject Scotland performances whilst playing in that Swansea team set alarm bells ringing before he even signed for us.
 
Blade56 said:
I’d tend to agree but it’s like trading youtpr car in. £15m might seem like a good price until you start looking for a new car and they’re all £20m for a similar model to what you’ve already got.
However, if Jebbinson can cut the mustard in the championship to replace McBambie then it frees up £15 to help build a new midfield.
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He’s 17. He can’t be expected to perform for 46 games throughout a season and have the expectations of a promotion aiming team on his shoulders. He’s not even developed his “man-strength” yet as proven against Burnley he just isn’t built like Wayne Rooney, a kid in a mans body.
If he gets 20 appearances total this season he’s done amazing well but we need someone who can hold that responsibility on his shoulders. If we sell McBurnie for the right price we need to replace him with that same level of experience and history.
 
Jebbison is miles off being someone we can rely on week in week out in the Championship. He's tall, but he's not very strong yet and his first touch is off. Let's not put too much weight on his shoulders, a few cup appearances, if he does well some cameos off the bench. McBurnie does my head in, but he should be a big asset at the level we're heading to.
 
HibbyBlade said:
The more I see of him the more I feel he is a player who is going to build a career off one freak season. Connor Sammon with a price tag.

His abject Scotland performances whilst playing in that Swansea team set alarm bells ringing before he even signed for us.
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He had 2 good seasons in the Championship before becoming our top scorer in the Prem.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
Jebbison is miles off being someone we can rely on week in week out in the Championship. He's tall, but he's not very strong yet and his first touch is off. Let's not put too much weight on his shoulders, a few cup appearances, if he does well some cameos off the bench. McBurnie does my head in, but he should be a big asset at the level we're heading to.
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We need to get Duncan Ferguson to get training him like he did with DCL.
 
McBurnie is a difficult one, but from this don't really mind the outcome.

On one hand, a very good track record in the Championship (albeit a few years back), but playing in an attacking / possession based team flourished - which is the reason we paid 18m for him.

However been mostly poor for us, but in a defensive team, who have mostly used him as a Hanson / Madine Mk3 and just punted aimless ball up to him with no man within 25 yards of him. He hasn't stood out, but only McG has come out of the season with any credit (who only managed 2 more goals than Mcburnie last year).

If we recoup some/most of the money we paid, then we've still (on paper) a strong set of forwards for the Championship and can use funds strengthen the squad.

If he stays, he'll be playing in a very different team where he has the potential to score plenty next year.
 
if slav rates him fair enough lets see if he can reproduce his 24 goal season with swansea hope he does but im not confident that he will his attitude on and off the pitch has to change or slav will out him anyway i would still sell if we get a bid of 15m
 

HibbyBlade said:
The more I see of him the more I feel he is a player who is going to build a career off one freak season. Connor Sammon with a price tag.

His abject Scotland performances whilst playing in that Swansea team set alarm bells ringing before he even signed for us.
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He did it the season prior, with Barnsley. Scoring 9 in 17. That's better than 1 in 2 for a poor side.

So that's 2 freak seasons then, out of 2?
Maybe he can make it a hat-trick...
 
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