Incoming? Gary O’Neil linked as Manager

[Newbury Blade]

How do you know our owners will throw infinity random players at him? We've no idea how this summer will play out with regards to transfers, so let's not assume.

We can assume there will be random moaning and whingeing, aimed at the owners, new manager, or current manager if he stays, whatever happens.

 

[Silent Blade]

Might we have been promoted if we'd given Wilder the players he wanted?

He got Cannon

 

[Balham]

He got Cannon

And Clarke, Choudhury and Brereton Diaz. That first team squad at the end of January was almost exactly as Wilder wanted.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

He got Cannon

And Clarke, Choudhury and Brereton Diaz. That first team squad at the end of January was almost exactly as Wilder wanted.

He did get Cannon and all of the above.
It doesn't take away the principle of what I'm saying.

Could that £2m have been better allocated at that time?

 

[Gin&Juice]

And Clarke, Choudhury and Brereton Diaz. That first team squad at the end of January was almost exactly as Wilder wanted.

they backed him pretty significantly, and he failed to deliver.

I 100% get their train of thought in replacing him. Luck shouldn't have come into it. We strengthened when Leeds and Burnley didn't and still couldn't go up.

 

[Booker4]

I sighed when I saw the O'Neil and Selles links. To sack a proven manager four months after giving him a new contract after finishing third is madness. If, however, we were replacing him with a manager with a really impressive record then I could see the logic. Both Selles and O'Neil are out of work so the links to those two strokes me as somewhat lazy recruitment because if either were in charge of clubs I very much doubt on their previous experience that we'd identify either as a standout candidate.

There are some really well good managers out there both in this country and abroad who would relish managing United. Some scotched it my suggestion on Dave Challinor who has a superb record throughout his career but he's a far better option than Selles or O'Neil in my view.

This is one of the reasons I want to stick with Wilder necati just don't trust a board who thinks it's a good idea to get rid of Wilder to make a decent successor appointment.

 

[Carlton Blade]

We have finite resources due to FFP, and also assuming our owners aren't "mega-wealthy."

Its ok to question whether the allocation of those resources are better spent on players the manager wants, or AI punts.

We didn't sign JJK or Jimmy Dunne in January as we wouldn't meet the asking price. But we did spend (potentially) £2m on Caceres and Nwankchuku.
Might we have been promoted if we'd given Wilder the players he wanted?

He got 5 senior players with Championship experience, all players that are very much in the Wilder type

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

If Wilder has to be replaced i dont want no "promotion greenhorn".

 

[Rodley]

they backed him pretty significantly, and he failed to deliver.

I 100% get their train of thought in replacing him. Luck shouldn't have come into it. We strengthened when Leeds and Burnley didn't and still couldn't go up.

Not replacing Souttar was his key mistake. We were grinding out games with a mean defence, that should have been the first port of call in Jan. The Cannon monies would have nabbed us a quality centre half to build around.

 

[YES Blade]

Not replacing Souttar was his key mistake. We were grinding out games with a mean defence, that should have been the first port of call in Jan. The Cannon monies would have nabbed us a quality centre half to build around.

What about this bloke?

 

[NerdyBlade]

What about this bloke?

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That he chose to never play. I love Robbo but he was nowhere near good enough and Holding was, should have been swapped but Wilder never seemed to want to

 

[YES Blade]

That he chose to never play. I love Robbo but he was nowhere near good enough and Holding was, should have been swapped but Wilder never seemed to want to

That’s what I can’t get my head around, in the limited matches he played he certainly looked better than Robbo and there is even a case to say he is better than Anel and Souttar! His CV certainly suggests he should be.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

He got 5 senior players with Championship experience, all players that are very much in the Wilder type

I'm not debating that, as it's fact.
I'm specifically talking about the allocation of the resources that went on Caceres and Nwankchuku.

 

[Shadota]

I'm not debating that, as it's fact.
I'm specifically talking about the allocation of the resources that went on Caceres and Nwankchuku.

I doubt that Wilder's January transfer budget, and the financial outlay for those 2 signings, came from the same pot.

When players are signed as "investments" or developmental talents, the deals to bring them in are typically independent of any first team recruitment.

Seems highly unlikely to me that we've signed 2 young wingers who've made a combined zero first team appearances, at the cost of being unable to sign additional defensive reinforcement for the first team.

 

[Carlton Blade]

I'm not debating that, as it's fact.
I'm specifically talking about the allocation of the resources that went on Caceres and Nwankchuku.

There has to be separate funds for development players. Otherwise there's no Osula, Peck, Lankshear, Ndiaye etc.

 

[LondonBlade89]

Regardless of whether there were separate pots for JTW signings and development signings, they are both coming from a finite pool of resources. It’s not irrational to suggest that more money in one means less for the other. Feel free to argue about the strength of those signings but I do think it’s naive to claim they won’t have an impact on resources for other signings when we don’t have an endless supply of money.

 

[Frank the tank]

Regardless of whether there were separate pots for JTW signings and development signings, they are both coming from a finite pool of resources. It’s not irrational to suggest that more money in one means less for the other. Feel free to argue about the strength of those signings but I do think it’s naive to claim they won’t have an impact on resources for other signings when we don’t have an endless supply of money.

If funded by the club the yes but it was widely reported at the time that these signings were funded by the owners
Don't know how that works but it's obviously a long term plan of theirs
By all accounts these signings have not affected the playing budget and wilder was happy with taht and unde no pressure to play them.
So can we let it go now
Wilder is getting sacked because he bottled promotion.otion twice lasts season cutting his own throat with his loyalty to Robinson

 

[LondonBlade89]

If funded by the club the yes but it was widely reported at the time that these signings were funded by the owners
Don't know how that works but it's obviously a long term plan of theirs
By all accounts these signings have not affected the playing budget and wilder was happy with taht and unde no pressure to play them.
So can we let it go now
Wilder is getting sacked because he bottled promotion.otion twice lasts season cutting his own throat with his loyalty to Robinson

I’ll stand corrected on that one. And agree with your overall point.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

If funded by the club the yes but it was widely reported at the time that these signings were funded by the owners
Don't know how that works but it's obviously a long term plan of theirs
By all accounts these signings have not affected the playing budget and wilder was happy with taht and unde no pressure to play them.
So can we let it go now
Wilder is getting sacked because he bottled promotion.otion twice lasts season cutting his own throat with his loyalty to Robinson

Don't disagree on the last paragraph.
I don't necessarily think he should be sacked, but hard to argue that his failings will have led to it.

The decision to not bed Holding in earlier was the key catalyst and the second half at Wembley when he chose not to knock Sunderland out when they were on the ropes.

 

[Fuzzybear]

If funded by the club the yes but it was widely reported at the time that these signings were funded by the owners
Don't know how that works but it's obviously a long term plan of theirs
By all accounts these signings have not affected the playing budget and wilder was happy with taht and unde no pressure to play them.
So can we let it go now
Wilder is getting sacked because he bottled promotion.otion twice lasts season cutting his own throat with his loyalty to Robinson

Only thing left more open down channel than our defence with Robinson is border security.

 

[cahill]

I think of all the candidates selles is my favourite did a great job at reading and hull looked really impressive at the lane as a one off example exactly how I'd like us to play
He wasnt great at Southampton though but I think he might be a good fit to take over a squad that lacks fluidity

Hull mullered us that day/night, perhaps he got lucky or maybe a one off ?

 

[Frank the tank]

Hull mullered us that day/night, perhaps he got lucky or maybe a one off ?

It wasn't so much the result more the way they looked so well coached
So many times last season I looked at the opposition and you could see that everyone knew what they were doing ,they had a structure that they were well drilled in and it gave them.the freedom to enjoy themselves and express themselves
Usually players with much less ability than ours just playing in a way that had elevated their game to a higher level

Other coaches I've seen were rooneys derby ( Rosenior) roseniors hull
Rohl at pigs ( at times he could also be very agricultural )
Bristol City under Manning le Bristol Sunderland first half of season
Even Plymouth under rooney


I just couldn't see it with us
We didn't even look like we worked on set plays or defensive shape
And the constant fall back on backwards passing from good positions

Think if wilder was to stay he needed to bring in more coaches at the very least as we just looked thrown together
Although I will caveat that I could see clearly the plan at the start of the season
As wilder said over Through and round but he soon abandoned this adopting only one of these tactics at a time and more often than not the fourth option pass it all the way back.to.the keeper from a promising counter attack

 

[Danetheblade]

https://learning.coachesvoice.com/cv/gary-o-neil-wolves-bournemouth-tactics/

Quite a good if brief article about O'Neils set up.

 

[The Crab]

Should be Wilder. But if the gutless nob heads, who don't think 92 points is enough, the O'Neil over Selles any day

Well, 92 points wasn’t enough was it. We are still in the championship

 

[LondonRoad]

Well, 92 points wasn’t enough was it. We are still in the championship

Let's see how many points they get next season if a new manager is appointed

 

[MayorOJC]

That's INSANE money for a Championship club to spend on random foreign players who are nowhere near first team standard.

A millions including large add-ons, fine, but as a fee, fucking hell!

My understanding is it's a low fee, potentially rising to a million with appearance clauses. If they're crap, we pay very little, if they're decent - we pay a million.

 

[Bladey_blade]

He got Cannon

Accounto has claimed Cannon of all the signings was the owners signing not Wilders, which is clearly bollocks as we were linked the previous summer

 

[robbiez666]

My understanding is it's a low fee, potentially rising to a million with appearance clauses. If they're crap, we pay very little, if they're decent - we pay a million.

That makes much more sense. And it's a great way to do business.

 

[jt64]

That's INSANE money for a Championship club to spend on random foreign players who are nowhere near first team standard.

A millions including large add-ons, fine, but as a fee, fucking hell!

It is a thirtieth of what Brighton spent on an 18 year old who has had one good season in the Greek league.

 

[The Crab]

Let's see how many points they get next season if a new manager is appointed

None of us know for sure one way or another to be fair. The board will do what they will do