CONFIRMED Slaviša Jokanović

[Rodley]

That actually hasn't been proven yet, there is a potential appeal route SUFC and he could take if there ever inclined to try. But on that point what's in Jokanovic's track record or citizenships that enables him to work in a post-Brexit UK? He's Serbian, which means he not even an EU citizen. Anyone know how he qualifies to work in the UK?

Because Jokanovic meets the criteria, Blessin doesn’t.

 

[ancientblade]

dissapointing news if true and it means were nearer to appointing hecky i fear

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I imagine he got a bumper contract in the Gulf and wanted to see that out. I don’t really see it that material to his competence.

Presumably you are worried that no one else is after Philippe Clement in the Championship? Or Blessin?

Well one is on the way up and the other hasn’t been at anywhere near the level recently but yeah if no one went in for him in the next two years I’d be concerned. However Bruges did go in for him and he’s paid off.
As for Slav, he was available from November until the following June and no one picked up.l this Championship sure thing.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

That actually hasn't been proven yet, there is a potential appeal route SUFC and he could take if there ever inclined to try. But on that point what's in Jokanovic's track record or citizenships that enables him to work in a post-Brexit UK? He's Serbian, which means he not even an EU citizen. Anyone know how he qualifies to work in the UK?

EU is irrelevant now when it comes to any right to work and there is no currently published appeal route for Blessin.

 

[St Albans Blade]

Because Jokanovic meets the criteria, Blessin doesn’t.

Sounds like brilliant criteria. A Serb who has got Championship sides into the Premier League, but no further and now works in Qatar (purely for the love of the game I presume ;-) can work in the EFL.

However, a German working in the Belgian Jupiler ProLeague, taking their version of Grimsby Town (Oostend) onto the verge of European competition, can't qualify to work here. Let's hope more important sectors of UK Plc's economy don't apply similar bonkers rules or we are all stuffed!?!

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Clement is unlikely to turn his back on a season of Champions/Europa League football with Club Brugge against the likes of Inter Milan, Bayern and Ajax for a wintry midweek Blades' game away at Peterborough?!?

I think he’s proven all he can at that level so he needs a job in England ideally if he can’t get one at a historic European giant like Ajax. I think someone like Palace or similar would be interested but I’m hoping Van Winkle’s relationship with him means he’d consider us a a longer term journey to his ultimate aim.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Sounds like brilliant criteria. A Serb who has got Championship sides into the Premier League, but no further and now works in Qatar (purely for the love of the game I presume ;-) can work in the EFL.

However, a German working in the Belgian Jupiler ProLeague, taking their version of Grimsby Town (Oostend) onto the verge of European competition, can't qualify to work here. Let's hope more important sectors of UK Plc's economy don't apply similar bonkers rules or we are all stuffed!?!

He’s been a manger for less than a year. It’s hardly restrictive to want 24 months experience in any role.

 

[Bladesince59]

Anyone claiming Jokanovic would be a bad appointment needs to get their head tested.

Got 2 teams up playing exciting football. Failed slightly in Fulham's 1st season back up but did he spend the £100m on has-beens or the hierarchy?

Absolutely gets my vote: a gnat's ahead of Hecky.

 

[St Albans Blade]

He’s been a manger for less than a year. It’s hardly restrictive to want 24 months experience in any role.

Fair point. Intriguingly Slaviša Jokanović will also move outside the FA Foreign Managers automatic 'reference period' criteria in mid-November. So, no wonder he's eager to get back into English football urgently! The wonders of Brexit

 

[St Albans Blade]

And if, after this traumatic season, anyone can't sleep at night, here's the link to the FA's criteria for employing non-UK managerial talent, a sure tonic for insomnia...

https://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/thefaportal/governance-docs/gbe-criteria/gbe-mens-managers-criteria-jan-2021.ashx

 

[nopigfansintown]

The last time we were on this predicament, McCabe gave a man who had been successful in extremely favourable circumstances at Boro and West Brom the job. All he had to do was continue his success with an ultra expensive and talented United side. Names like Beattie and Hendrie arrived and we were on paper a shoe in for top spot. The man's name was one Bryan Robson.
Would SJ be the new Robbo? Would he be similarly backed? Can he manage without big backing?

 

[Upton_Blade]

The last time we were on this predicament, McCabe gave a man who had been successful in extremely favourable circumstances at Boro and West Brom the job. All he had to do was continue his success with an ultra expensive and talented United side. Names like Beattie and Hendrie arrived and we were on paper a shoe in for top spot. The man's name was one Bryan Robson.
Would SJ be the new Robbo? Would he be similarly backed? Can he manage without big backing?

Erm I'm not sure my memories are the same as yours.

Robson had to have Venables parachuted in to help him out so not quite sure that could be classed as a success.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Erm I'm not sure my memories are the same as yours.

Robson had to have Venables parachuted in to help him out so not quite sure that could be classed as a success.

Two promotions and three Wembley finals at Boro. Venable came in around Christmas in Robson's last season. He'd achieved the vast majority of his success by then. They were in the shit but eventually finished 14th and they both left at the end of that season. Venables worked under Robson (officially at least) during that six months . Despite that the majority of Blades were against his opponent - including me. Cheque book manager.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I was being a bit flippant. But yes I’d rather have a proven promotion winner at Championship level. The Juniper league is completely different in terms of style of football to over here, Sander Berge said as much when he joined us.

Sorry but that’s just botanicals.......

 

[Bladeinleeds]

I seem to remember David Weir having an amazing interview - impressing the board with his spreadsheets, graphs and in-depth plans for the future.
That fucker turned out well didn't it??!!!!

Funny you mention that - I remember a quote from Weir after he was sacked basically saying ‘he didn’t know much about league one at the time....’ now I would have though a pretty vital interview question might have been ‘what do you know about the league / competition we will face’???

But apparently I’m not hiring genius Kevin McCabe.

As others have said - pop his two promotions on the table in similar circumstances to ours, and the football he plays and it more than stacks up against anyone else. That said, there is a legitimate question as to why he’s never seemed to stick somewhere very long if we are wanting stability.

He’d certainly be my choice of blessin is off the table.

 

[Scarebus]

Sorry but that’s just botanicals.......

I don't like anything with even a hint of juniper, so for that reason, I'm out.

 

[Greenwich Blade]

Anybody remember when we nearly ended up with Lennie Lawrence? A BIFA campaign scuppered that one. Unfortunately Robson was appointed before BIFA could scramble into action.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Two promotions and three Wembley finals at Boro. Venable came in around Christmas in Robson's last season. He'd achieved the vast majority of his success by then. They were in the shit but eventually finished 14th and they both left at the end of that season. Venables worked under Robson (officially at least) during that six months . Despite that the majority of Blades were against his opponent - including me. Cheque book manager.

You could argue that was one of our very worst appointments. There were a 100 managers who could have got that side promoted after we got relegated.

Kevin Blackwell nearly did so the next year with key players sold from under him.

we would have bounced straight back had we not appointed robson and basically anyone else.

 

[Bladey_blade]

No thank you. He won't settle into the Sheffield culture. Fulham and Watford (and indeed London) is his experience of England. We need a complete change not the EFL Manager-go-Round. Blessin, pretty please.

Doesnt/didnt Jack and Duffy commute from Liverpool, Mcburnie from leeds didzy Nottingham... as long as he does the job well it doesnt matter

 

[nopigfansintown]

You could argue that was one of our very worst appointments. There were a 100 managers who could have got that side promoted after we got relegated.

Kevin Blackwell nearly did so the next year with key players sold from under him.

we would have bounced straight back had we not appointed robson and basically anyone else.

To my knowledge SUFC have never been in a more powerful position financially relative to the rest of a league ( parachute payments and Tevez money plus player sales (e.g. Jags). The key determinant in our relegation to League One was the appointment of Robson imo.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

And if, after this traumatic season, anyone can't sleep at night, here's the link to the FA's criteria for employing non-UK managerial talent, a sure tonic for insomnia...

https://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/thefaportal/governance-docs/gbe-criteria/gbe-mens-managers-criteria-jan-2021.ashx

Its all in the Blessin thread bud.

 

[Roygbiv]

Two promotions and three Wembley finals at Boro. Venable came in around Christmas in Robson's last season. He'd achieved the vast majority of his success by then. They were in the shit but eventually finished 14th and they both left at the end of that season. Venables worked under Robson (officially at least) during that six months . Despite that the majority of Blades were against his opponent - including me. Cheque book manager.

I think calling him a success is a bit much. He took an expensively assembled Boro squad down and somehow kept his job. He was then promoted back up with a team that included the likes of Gascoigne , Merson , Juninho and Emerson. He was then on the verge of taking them down again before Venables stepped in. He got to the FA Cup final in the year Boro went down.

Then he went to Bradford and took them down to League One winning 7 in 28.

At West Brom he won 19 out of 81 games, keeping them up with a ridiculous 6 wins all season. We've won 5 this season.

His appointment was arguably the biggest mistake Mccabe ever made. Even a below average manager would have had us challenging the season after we went down from The Premier League as Blackwell proved. It was a terrible appointment based on nothing more than him being mates with Terry Robinson and having a recognized name. No Blade at the time was happy with the appointment as he was already renowned as a failure in football management by the time he got the job.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Funny you mention that - I remember a quote from Weir after he was sacked basically saying ‘he didn’t know much about league one at the time....’ now I would have though a pretty vital interview question might have been ‘what do you know about the league / competition we will face’???

But apparently I’m not hiring genius Kevin McCabe.

As others have said - pop his two promotions on the table in similar circumstances to ours, and the football he plays and it more than stacks up against anyone else. That said, there is a legitimate question as to why he’s never seemed to stick somewhere very long if we are wanting stability.

He’d certainly be my choice of blessin is off the table.

Clement not getting a sniff? He’s a more qualified and therefore safer version of Blessin given we can’t get him but fans are seemingly ignoring him.
The question with Clement is would be drop down to us, rather than the other way round.

 

[bertieblade]

Robson was appointed because he was a name which would help McCabe to open doors for property deals. The tv documentary when he was caught being a naughty boy was cringeworthy

 

[Sean Thornton]

Anybody remember when we nearly ended up with Lennie Lawrence? A BIFA campaign scuppered that one. Unfortunately Robson was appointed before BIFA could scramble into action.

Busy getting the artwork ready for the Christmas cards.

 

[The Hobott]

Fair point. Intriguingly Slaviša Jokanović will also move outside the FA Foreign Managers automatic 'reference period' criteria in mid-November. So, no wonder he's eager to get back into English football urgently! The wonders of Brexit

Jokanovic is Serbian - not an EU country - Brexit has nothing to do with it

 

[SufcBilly]

Is this enough time quash the rumours about him not interviewing well or is Nathan not allowed these days. I’ve avoided this cauldron since March

 

[Le Cynique]

Ordinarily I’d agree that interview technique is bollocks, but we’ve just seen the consequences of a spectacular falling-out between the manager and the owner and it hasn’t been pretty.

I’m not saying a decent interview technique wouldn’t guarantee a successful managerial appointment, but if someone is shifty, arrogant, confrontational and unwilling to take part in a dialogue in the interview scenario that for me would send up a massive red flag. We can’t afford to get this one wrong.

 

[nopigfansintown]

I think calling him a success is a bit much. He took an expensively assembled Boro squad down and somehow kept his job. He was then promoted back up with a team that included the likes of Gascoigne , Merson , Juninho and Emerson. He was then on the verge of taking them down again before Venables stepped in. He got to the FA Cup final in the year Boro went down.

Then he went to Bradford and took them down to League One winning 7 in 28.

At West Brom he won 19 out of 81 games, keeping them up with a ridiculous 6 wins all season. We've won 5 this season.

His appointment was arguably the biggest mistake Mccabe ever made. Even a below average manager would have had us challenging the season after we went down from The Premier League as Blackwell proved. It was a terrible appointment based on nothing more than him being mates with Terry Robinson and having a recognized name. No Blade at the time was happy with the appointment as he was already renowned as a failure in football management by the time he got the job.

Some fair points but Robson got them promoted in the first place before bouncing back. A lot want SJ, but he didn't even get the chance to do the the same at Fulham -he'd gone by November, with a budget that would make the Warnock/Wilder out brigades blush. The Fulham promotion could be viewed as an underachievement as they only finished playoffs with arguably the best squad in the division.

Context is everything. It isn't enough to just point to promotions.Robbo being the ultimate cautionary tale for SUFC. Most Blades would give their left nut for our next manager to have Robbo's record at Boro: three Cup finals, two promotions. If there was a manager with that record out there now, interested in our job, people would be clamouring for him ala SJ and Howe.

 

[Roygbiv]

Some fair points but Robson got them promoted in the first place before bouncing back. A lot want SJ, but he didn't even get the chance to do the the same at Fulham -he'd gone by November, with a budget that would make the Warnock/Wilder out brigades blush. The Fulham promotion could be viewed as an underachievement as they only finished playoffs with arguably the best squad in the division.

Context is everything. It isn't enough to just point to promotions.Robbo being the ultimate cautionary tale for SUFC. Most Blades would give their left nut for our next manager to have Robbo's record at Boro: three Cup finals, two promotions. If there was a manager with that record out there now, interested in our job, people would be clamouring for him ala SJ and Howe.

Totally see your reservations with SJ. I'm really not sure if the players we have will be able to do what his teams like to do. We have zero pace for a start.

I'll give him a pass for his Premier League stint as he didn't buy the players according to Fulham fans.