FAO Anyone who questions the shape and system we're playing: You're talking nonsense

[FMBlade1]

It’s probably 0.00001% for you and me at the minute compared to some bloke living in Malaysia who pays for a PL subscription on his TV. Does that give him even more right to question the manager, on your scale?

It is you who brought in the percentage question in the equation not me.

We all have a right to question.

 

[Snowflake]

Its a bit of both.

Ramsdale, Lowe, Ampadu Bogle, Burke and Brewster are not PL class at present.

Emphasis on “at present” although I do think Burke already is and Brewster may be if he could play more often.

 

[Champagneblade]

Perhaps I can come across as bit too sensitive and touchy, though I have a simple approach, give credit where it's due and constructively (never abusively) criticize when I feel it's appropriate in my opinion, which is what forums are all about:

Well done Wilder | S24SU Forum | Sheffield United Community

I don't think there have been many outlandish comments on here and beyond about our system, it's not like people are saying play 3-3-4!

If this is helping you get over Ched, I'm all for it!

 

[Revolution]

Emphasis on “at present” although I do think Burke already is and Brewster may be if he could play more often.

Burke is being used as a striker despite the fact that he has no striker like skills. He doesn’t score and has one assist. The idea that he is PL class doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny

At present is where we are now. That of course was the big problem with the recruitment. We bought players who might be good later, not players who are good now.

 

[gordoncharles]

The praise he received in the previous two years has inflated his ego so much that it's now the size of Meadowhall.

The peak of this was when dear old crouching Bielsa, the pseud's pseud, said he'd never seen anyone else attempting this system.

His own sense of self-worth is now completely submerged in his "system" and if he had to disown it now, as he doesn't have the players to make it work, his self-image would doubtless shatter like a window during an Antifa demonstration..

So, in conclusion, we're stuck with it.

 

[FMBlade1]

If this is helping you get over Ched, I'm all for it!

Well perhaps Ched could become our new manager, knows the place has unfinished business

*edit: Also realized it's 2021, which is nearly 10 years to when the 'incident' took place in 2011 :O

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In all seriousness yes perhaps your interpretation is correct, but then I heard it in the way I did as it's in line with the Playstation manager comments.

Not the first thing in the world but inappropriate and uncalled for imho.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

He’s an opinionated man, with considerable footballing success, who says what he thinks rather than being media-managed. I like it.

 

[Bashamed]

Gu on Chris

 

[FriethBlade]

By that reckoning no system is ever at fault...its just the players not playing well enough ?

Rather than scoffing could there be some truth in it ? It seems that the best managers may be the best motivators/man managers. If you get one of those at a club and get great players in hey presto. Is that why Klopp and Guardiola have dome so well ?

It was almost certainly why Cloughie was so good and why the likes of Bassett over achieved at more than one club. Look at Warnock, like him or not you can't argue he has a transformational quality when he goes to a new club.

 

[LJBlade]

But you want him sacked because Leicester sacked Ranieri and it worked for them

Leicester won the league with Ranieri, they haven’t won it since they sacked him...

 

[FMBlade1]

Leicester won the league with Ranieri, they haven’t won it since they sacked him...

They may well win it this year. Ranieri was taking them down to the championship until the board intervened and sacked him.

Edit: Though that's a red herring to the OP which has been talked through by me many times, moving on

 

[The Vicar]

A bit too bombastic for me, a bit of humility would not go amiss. You can believe that you are correct & state that, but when the outcome is poor some humility goes a long way.

 

[Kev Gee]

The "system" isn't just the formation. It's also the tactics and mentality. Last year these players also pressed opposition players more and played more forward passes and crosses. At the moment they are not pressing as much and play the ball sideways and backwards (also due to opposition managers being wise to how we play) so it's a combination of things. But to deny point blank that it's not is delusional imo.

 

[Varkanoid]

His response about the transfers very curt definitely annoyed at the lack of progress.

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

The sad thing is, the success we had is starting to look like it came about with more than a smattering of a luck as well as being earned. As far as I remember, CWAK changed formation after the dreadful start to the first season and never looked back.
They did it once, but can't seem to do it again.
Reminds me a bit of when you feed money into one of those machines like on tipping point.
You put your first coin in, win a load, then keep feeding it back into the same place in the same machine.
When you've emptied it, it's time to try a new machine...or summat like that
Don't get me wrong I absolutely love CW for what he has done and want him to stay for sure, but at the mo, he seems to be seeing a marginally failing system as the better option between that and trying to change things with the possibility of really f******g up. And that worries me.

 

[Badger Blade]

You're only as good as your last game and our last game and most of the preceding ones have been utterly atrocious. Based on what we've seen, I think we have every right to pass judgement whether that's signings, systems or anything else.
We knew last season would be a tough act to follow but we'd at least have expected to be competitive but we're so far away it's embarrassing. As the man who signs the players, picks the team and implements the "system", the buck stops with him and no matter what excuses he makes, the performances have been appalling and is down to him to either realise there's a problem and fix it or bugger off so we can find someone who can.

 

[JJBlade]

Why is everybody talking about a system that has become "sussed out"

We are not playing anything similar to the system that was succesful for us.

The downturn started before lockdown, we were getting results but it had become ugly and hard to watch.

By the time the restart came around we were looking nothing like the team that got in the top six.

Losing form is one thing, being completely shyte and totally unrecognisable as the same team is due to the change in our tactics. We have gone from a team with attack on its mind to a team that stands off, defends (badly) and offers nothing going forward.

So Wilders system has changed

 

[JJBlade]

Leicester won the league with Ranieri, they haven’t won it since they sacked him...

They hadn't won it ever before him either.
But I wouldn't bet against them this year.
Liverpool have shown that there not the team they were last year.

Man Utd won't win it, it's only a matter of time before Pogba decides to screw it all up

Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs aren't good enough

Everton certainly aren't

It's Leicester or City for me

 

[georgebernardshaw]

So what we’re saying is that we’re good winners, but shit losers?

We only sing when we’re winning....

 

[A Storm of Blades]

If systems and formations don’t matter, why are we paying you a six figure salary? What’s your role exactly? It’s such a paper thin argument that a child could dismantle in about 5 seconds.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Real Madrid might as well save them a fortune and hire Joe Wicks as manager.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Erm the fans. The ones who pay for his wages who have a considerable lower disposable income than he does.

We don’t pay his wages, we haven’t been in a ground since March.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Well perhaps Ched could become our new manager, knows the place has unfinished business

*edit: Also realized it's 2021, which is nearly 10 years to when the 'incident' took place in 2011 :O

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In all seriousness yes perhaps your interpretation is correct, but then I heard it in the way I did as it's in line with the Playstation manager comments.

Not the first thing in the world but inappropriate and uncalled for imho.

The PlayStation manager comment is out of order, it’s PC managers who are the problem. Few seasons on Champ 2001 back in the day and they know it all.

 

[true99blade]

Ergh, back on ignore.

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

Wilder's words not mine:



4 minutes 20 seconds in.

Goes along with the 'Playstation manager' comments

Stay Classy Chris

Yet another spiteful, personalised attack on Wilder from you—which, as per previous, you will doubtless attempt to describe as neither spiteful nor personalised, and probably not even an attack, if/when taken to task for it on here.

Would it be beyond you to be a bit more respectful

Edited ^^

You’ve posted plenty times in the last few months, suggesting things would be so much better if only Wilder would listen to you. Maybe just accept that he’s not going to, and let it go?

We’re all hacked off with the season. Most posters on here will say that Wilder has stuff to answer for. But give it a rest, ffs.

 

[FMBlade1]

We don’t pay his wages, we haven’t been in a ground since March.

Erm, I along with many others, pay for a TV subscription which the clubs get a share of and distribute for their staff and player wages etc.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Erm, I along with many others, pay for a TV subscription which the clubs get a share of and distribute for their staff and player wages etc.

Tenuous, I once went to Saudi Arabia and used bog roll and I have a sky subscription. Does that make me more entitled to spout bullshit about paying Wilders wages?!

 

[FMBlade1]

Tenuous, I once went to Saudi Arabia and used bog roll and I have a sky subscription. Does that make me more entitled to spout bullshit about paying Wilders wages?!

What I said was that Wilder need not be, and should not be disrespectful towards fans who pay for his wages out of courtesy and professionalism.

Is that unreasonable?

 

[Nine Inch Nalis]

What I said was that Wilder need not be, and should not be disrespectful towards fans who pay for his wages out of courtesy and professionalism.

Is that unreasonable?

Christ, are you still banging this drum?

On Chris Wilder's behalf, I'm really sorry you got your feefees hurt by him saying the words "Playstation" and "nonsense".

Now let's all try and get through this short and brutish life the best we can.

 

[FMBlade1]

Yet another spiteful, personalised attack on Wilder from you—which, as per previous, you will doubtless attempt to describe as neither spiteful nor personalised, and probably not even an attack, if/when taken to task for it on here.

Edited ^^

You’ve posted plenty times in the last few months, suggesting things would be so much better if only Wilder would listen to you. Maybe just accept that he’s not going to, and let it go?

We’re all hacked off with the season. Most posters on here will say that Wilder has stuff to answer for. But give it a rest, ffs.

It's very simple, when Wilder (or anyone else related to SUFC) does well I praise them, when they don't I constructively criticize (never abusively). That is what a forum is for.

Last season I said he should win manager of the year, that our players deserve England call ups etc.

Even this season and relatively recently I have praised Wilder for getting things right and calling him a club legend:

Well done Wilder | S24SU Forum | Sheffield United Community

Though ironically what he did well there was what I recommended weeks ago saying that Baldock and Bogle should be in the same team:

Action plan going forward | S24SU Forum | Sheffield United Community

A thread that has shown up remarkably 'well', along with:

Tactically outdone | S24SU Forum | Sheffield United Community
The long ball over the top down the middle | S24SU Forum | Sheffield United Community

I take no pleasure from this. I would much rather we got it right, or at least not as wrong as we have. In this case it was Wilder who, unprovoked, lashed out at people (the vast majority which are fans) who dare to question the formation or suggest something different.