This season's budget

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We'd be lucky to offload Brayford on a free never mind command a high transfer fee. What a catastrophic waste of 2m+ he is.

12k a week as well, nobody would touch him.

As for the original post I have full faith and confidence in Wilder to utilize the budget to the best of the club's interests, I think he'll have 500-750k to spend depending on wages on free transfers.
 



I think we need 2cb 2 cm 1 direct winger 1 target man 1 gk that's seven few freebies 4 signings between 250k- 350k with the right signings that should see us up there



They won’t all be right though. No manager ever has a 100% record and if we’re bringing in 7 or 8 players, you can almost guarantee a dud or two. If say 4 or 5 of them hit the ground running though and the likes of Billy, Basham, Brayford and Adams deliver to a decent standard too then we should still be competitive.


Ideally we’d bring in about 10 players of the type that look good on paper (Smith, Nelson, McFadzean, Gilbey, Akinde, Carey, Lundstram etc.) meaning we’d probably end up with about 7 good uns to add to what we’ve had. If we did that, I could see us dominating. I don’t think we’ll do that though.


Even in our last promotion season we had Flitcroft, Nalis, Akinbiyi, Horsefield etc. on the dud list and mediocre loan players like Dyer and Pericard.
 
Last season in terms of transfer fees I believe we spent £0.5m on Sharp and that was it.

As the wage budget has now reportedly been reduced for this season, I see no scope to increase the transfer budget. I expect the club to spend no more than the Sharp fee this season, if not even less.

Austerity at BL even if it is considered a "competitive" budget

When offset against the Murphy sale, we spent around -£1million last season but we did have a huge wage bill.
 
A £5m wage budget is plenty, but allowing nothing to be spent in fees really would seem utterly ridiculous considering how short we are.

The club spend £2m on a right back then fast forward 18 months and they won't spend a penny when half of that £2m in fees in addition to the wage budget would probably get us promoted. Same as every other season - unwilling to spend that little bit more to get success.

Just got to hope that's not true. The links to Holmes and Smith seem strong so there's reason to be hopeful.


We’ve already paid a nominal fee for Hussey so that’s a start. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see either Brayford or Adams go for around £1million though and some loans and nominal fees making up the replacements.
 
We'd be lucky to offload Brayford on a free never mind command a high transfer fee. What a catastrophic waste of 2m+ he is.

12k a week as well, nobody would touch him.

As for the original post I have full faith and confidence in Wilder to utilize the budget to the best of the club's interests, I think he'll have 500-750k to spend depending on wages on free transfers.

Did you miss the post 10 mins before yours explaining that it's highly unlikely we paid £2m for Brayford, let alone more?
 
When it suits, Jim was full of shit, over egged puddings, lied etc etc etc. at other times we are to hang on his every word - if he in fact said it - as it will be gospel and should never be questioned.

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I seem to remember Jim Phipps eventually saying that the fee was indeed around £2m or words to that effect.

I remember Jim talking about the transfer but I don't remember him mentioning any specific figures, will be happy to concede defeat if someone can resurrect a tweet or article where he does.
 
When it suits, Jim was full of shit, over egged puddings, lied etc etc etc. at other times we are to hang on his every word - if he in fact said it - as it will be gospel and should never be questioned.

:(

Well he knows fuck all about greasy chip butties based on that picture he tweeted. He should have got down to Tinsley Transport Cafe ;)
 
I seem to remember Jim Phipps eventually saying that the fee was indeed around £2m or words to that effect.


I thought that it was widely reported in the media that the fee was £1.5m which Jimbob eventually conceded that it was actually more than that. Thought I then read later that it was £1.8m?
 
I thought that it was widely reported in the media that the fee was £1.5m which Jimbob eventually conceded that it was actually more than that. Thought I then read later that it was £1.8m?

£1.8 included wages for the first year. As ever he was bigging up the boards financial commitment.

As I've said, Done apart, we couldn't have paid hardly anything for other players based on the accounts if he cost , at the latest estimate, two million plus.
 



I remember Jim talking about the transfer but I don't remember him mentioning any specific figures, will be happy to concede defeat if someone can resurrect a tweet or article where he does.
Fair enough, can't remember exactly where or when it was but it was quite some time after we signed him.
 
Seems logical to me that when the manager is given a budget for the coming year then it includes transfer fees paid as well as players' wages committed to. In other words if we pay a fee for a player it's that much less we can spend on wages.

Total guess, I reckon the players' wage budget will be in the region of £4m to £4.5m.

If we do sell Brayford and/or Done and/or Adams then hopefully the club will make that income from fees available to supplement the wage budget, which is what has been done in the past. Just because it didn't go out £ for £ on transfer fees doesn't mean it was not ploughed back into the club though it might have gone on other expenditure.

As Dane says above, we have already paid a nominal fee for Hussey. Let's say it was £200k, well it seems logical that Wilder can't spend that again. If Hussey's wages are £4k per week, then that's another £200k to add to the fee that Wilder can't spend again until transfers out save on the wage bill.

If Brayford went for £750k and his wages saved are £10k per week then Wilder might be able to sign a number of players in replacement.

The wage budget is the target maximum given to the manager for the coming year.

If last year's wage bill was £6m going forward we have already have chopped that by releasing 10 players. Looking at the players who've left let's guess their wages added up to £45k per week i.e. £2m per annum. That gets the £6m down to £4m. The £6m included the wages of Edgar, Hammond, Sammon and Baptiste ( for a short time though) on loan, say £25k p.w. ( excluding Baptiste). for say 9 months = £900k. That takes the £6m down to £3.1m on players who are left drawing wages. Hammond's new contract adds to that, say £500k, so £3.6m.

There are 6 other transfer listed players where savings can be made and funds become available if they leave. Coutts may well be on £8k p.week ( £400k p.annum). Woolford £7k? Freeman £5k? K.Wallace £4k? Diego £3k? J. Wallace £5k, no chance of leaving for nowt. Wilder will push for progress in each case, that's a big slice of budget that he could do with.

If Wilder has been given a budget of £4.5m then it's up to him to manage the net additions to the wage bill. I think he'll also be looking to sell a couple of those retained players to free up slack in his budget and also to have more variety in his strikers. Strikers' wages: Sharp £9k? Adams £5k?,Done £8k? Lewin £3k? McNulty £5k?, Scougall £4k?

Brayford's wages for a full back still look out of kilter with all around him in the squad, even ignoring the fee we paid out and what we might get in if he leaves. Trouble is he'll not be in that much demand, that's the irony, what's he worth now?


Hope all that makes sense, it reads OK to me but it's complicated and might look nonsense to any reader. Hope it stimulates further discussion though. All wages guessed, don't get bogged down on minutia!;)
 
Fair enough, can't remember exactly where or when it was but it was quite some time after we signed him.


I know what you mean, he was talking about the overall cost of Brayford that season, around or at the time he was talking of "reinvestment" of cup monies etc. it wasn't about the transfer fee.
 
Seems logical to me that when the manager is given a budget for the coming year then it includes transfer fees paid as well as players' wages committed to. In other words if we pay a fee for a player it's that much less we can spend on wages.

Total guess, I reckon the players' wage budget will be in the region of £4m to £4.5m.

If we do sell Brayford and/or Done and/or Adams then hopefully the club will make that income from fees available to supplement the wage budget, which is what has been done in the past. Just because it didn't go out £ for £ on transfer fees doesn't mean it was not ploughed back into the club though it might have gone on other expenditure.

As Dane says above, we have already paid a nominal fee for Hussey. Let's say it was £200k, well it seems logical that Wilder can't spend that again. If Hussey's wages are £4k per week, then that's another £200k to add to the fee that Wilder can't spend again until transfers out save on the wage bill.

If Brayford went for £750k and his wages saved are £10k per week then Wilder might be able to sign a number of players in replacement.

The wage budget is the target maximum given to the manager for the coming year.

If last year's wage bill was £6m going forward we have already have chopped that by releasing 10 players. Looking at the players who've left let's guess their wages added up to £45k per week i.e. £2m per annum. That gets the £6m down to £4m. The £6m included the wages of Edgar, Hammond, Sammon and Baptiste ( for a short time though) on loan, say £25k p.w. ( excluding Baptiste). for say 9 months = £900k. That takes the £6m down to £3.1m on players who are left drawing wages. Hammond's new contract adds to that, say £500k, so £3.6m.

There are 6 other transfer listed players where savings can be made and funds become available if they leave. Coutts may well be on £8k p.week ( £400k p.annum). Woolford £7k? Freeman £5k? K.Wallace £4k? Diego £3k? J. Wallace £5k, no chance of leaving for nowt. Wilder will push for progress in each case, that's a big slice of budget that he could do with.

If Wilder has been given a budget of £4.5m then it's up to him to manage the net additions to the wage bill. I think he'll also be looking to sell a couple of those retained players to free up slack in his budget and also to have more variety in his strikers. Strikers' wages: Sharp £9k? Adams £5k?,Done £8k? Lewin £3k? McNulty £5k?, Scougall £4k?

Brayford's wages for a full back still look out of kilter with all around him in the squad, even ignoring the fee we paid out and what we might get in if he leaves. Trouble is he'll not be in that much demand, that's the irony, what's he worth now?


Hope all that makes sense, it reads OK to me but it's complicated and might look nonsense to any reader. Hope it stimulates further discussion though. All wages guessed, don't get bogged down on minutia!;)
I think that sums it up.
 
Seems logical to me that when the manager is given a budget for the coming year then it includes transfer fees paid as well as players' wages committed to. In other words if we pay a fee for a player it's that much less we can spend on wages.

Total guess, I reckon the players' wage budget will be in the region of £4m to £4.5m.

If we do sell Brayford and/or Done and/or Adams then hopefully the club will make that income from fees available to supplement the wage budget, which is what has been done in the past. Just because it didn't go out £ for £ on transfer fees doesn't mean it was not ploughed back into the club though it might have gone on other expenditure.

As Dane says above, we have already paid a nominal fee for Hussey. Let's say it was £200k, well it seems logical that Wilder can't spend that again. If Hussey's wages are £4k per week, then that's another £200k to add to the fee that Wilder can't spend again until transfers out save on the wage bill.

If Brayford went for £750k and his wages saved are £10k per week then Wilder might be able to sign a number of players in replacement.

The wage budget is the target maximum given to the manager for the coming year.

If last year's wage bill was £6m going forward we have already have chopped that by releasing 10 players. Looking at the players who've left let's guess their wages added up to £45k per week i.e. £2m per annum. That gets the £6m down to £4m. The £6m included the wages of Edgar, Hammond, Sammon and Baptiste ( for a short time though) on loan, say £25k p.w. ( excluding Baptiste). for say 9 months = £900k. That takes the £6m down to £3.1m on players who are left drawing wages. Hammond's new contract adds to that, say £500k, so £3.6m.

There are 6 other transfer listed players where savings can be made and funds become available if they leave. Coutts may well be on £8k p.week ( £400k p.annum). Woolford £7k? Freeman £5k? K.Wallace £4k? Diego £3k? J. Wallace £5k, no chance of leaving for nowt. Wilder will push for progress in each case, that's a big slice of budget that he could do with.

If Wilder has been given a budget of £4.5m then it's up to him to manage the net additions to the wage bill. I think he'll also be looking to sell a couple of those retained players to free up slack in his budget and also to have more variety in his strikers. Strikers' wages: Sharp £9k? Adams £5k?,Done £8k? Lewin £3k? McNulty £5k?, Scougall £4k?

Brayford's wages for a full back still look out of kilter with all around him in the squad, even ignoring the fee we paid out and what we might get in if he leaves. Trouble is he'll not be in that much demand, that's the irony, what's he worth now?


Hope all that makes sense, it reads OK to me but it's complicated and might look nonsense to any reader. Hope it stimulates further discussion though. All wages guessed, don't get bogged down on minutia!;)


We've parted company with enough decent earners already, so that the wages budget shouldn't be an issue IF the Board really are supporting Tufty appropriately for a promotion challenge.

The question is ...... are the Board talking bullshit or are they really going to deliver on promises this year ?

we will know in the next two to four weeks, I believe.

UTB & FTP
 
We've parted company with enough decent earners already, so that the wages budget shouldn't be an issue IF the Board really are supporting Tufty appropriately for a promotion challenge.

The question is ...... are the Board talking bullshit or are they really going to deliver on promises this year ?

we will know in the next two to four weeks, I believe.

UTB & FTP


It really needs a few more to go but I agree with what you say if those 7 stick with us. The Board can pay them off by negotiating a settlement of their contracts and treating that as a one-off expense to leave Wilder a fine edge to start with. They'd have to write off the costs and at the same time maintain Wilder with a budget in the region of £4m plus.
 
I prefer the transfer budget to be confidential and the SP out of the club is that we have a small budget and austerity measures are in place .

Bigger known budget , higher transfer fees other clubs try and sting us for. Bit of kidology is required for once.

UTB
Does it really matter if other clubs know the Blades transfer budget.
Surely if a club wants to sell a player and the Blades and one or two others show interest ,the player will be sold to the club that submits the best offer not to which club has the biggest budget.
 
Does it really matter if other clubs know the Blades transfer budget.
Surely if a club wants to sell a player and the Blades and one or two others show interest ,the player will be sold to the club that submits the best offer not to which club has the biggest budget.


I suppose it's about that extra 10% or so they think they can screw out of us, both clubs and players' agents that is.

Then there's that "can't stand in the way of the player" syndrome that only seems to work one way!!
 
I prefer the transfer budget to be confidential and the SP out of the club is that we have a small budget and austerity measures are in place .

Bigger known budget , higher transfer fees other clubs try and sting us for. Bit of kidology is required for once.

UTB
Seems like the going rate for up and coming centre backs is around ten grand whether we like it or not. Wilder sets them up and others pick them off
 
"We have a generous board, true they are shite" .......... I have heard many things said about our Board over the years, but I have never, ever, heard anybody accuse them of being "generous" !!! :eek::eek::eek:

My lord ...... I'm stunned !! I can think of nothing in the recent history of our Board that would justify such an incredible statement ........ :confused:

UTB & FTP
We paid the highest wages in league one .considering the planks we were paying Id say we are very generous
 



"We have a generous board, true they are shite" .......... I have heard many things said about our Board over the years, but I have never, ever, heard anybody accuse them of being "generous" !!! :eek::eek::eek:

My lord ...... I'm stunned !! I can think of nothing in the recent history of our Board that would justify such an incredible statement ........ :confused:

UTB & FTP
It's in black and white that we've been haemorrhaging money for years now. Who has been covering the losses? KM mainly and, more recently, Princey.

I think they are hopeless when it comes to running a club but they've just taken another big hit and given ST holders a 10% discount on tickets that are already fairly priced for L1.

What more can you reasonably expect? Personally I think they'd have been more sensible if they'd given Adkins more money to replace a couple of the players who weren't behind him and get some centre halves in earlier but when you look at what they spent last season I can see why they were reluctant to. Of course, it's backfired on them because they're going to lose more money this season but my view is that they're daft, not tight.
 

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