Shoreham Boys- offensive?

[Nade]

The song will mean very little to most blokes who don't need to worry about these things.. Went with a girlfriend at the time a few years ago who had been raped a few years earlier and she found it very uncomfortable. Just the very idea that we'll 'shag your women' alongside drink your beer, as though they'll just turn up and do it, carry out a transaction, was very uncomfortable for her and myself.

All these fucking snowflakes getting raped and being sensitive to these things tho, they're the real problem

 

[metalblade]

Anyway I want to know is Jack Charlton really dead?

 

[Maurice Maurice]

Ever been raped while you were on your travels?

No, but then again I wouldn't expect to be in a football stadium with a load of folks singing songs.

 

[metalblade]

Is Alan Brown still in the iron lung?

 

[robbiez666]

HAHAHA, a threat

Tell you what it means. Nothing! Absolutely nothing. It's a song, a quirky little song and that's it. If anybody feels genuinely threatened by it, they need help, and I'm being serious, they need to see someone qualified who can help them or they'll never leave home.

I'm old and used to go all over the shop watching us, many's the time we were surrounded by the locals belting out 'you're gonna get your fucking head kicked in' and that was a tad intimidating. Never stopped me and like minded souls going though and that's the difference, you're all fucking soft now. You're outraged by songs, jokes, throwaway comments, anything that you can cry about you will. How sad.

robbie should have been around in the early 70's and worked in the Cutlery industries those buffer lasses would have had his pants down in 2 secs and that was in the queue to get chips n fish for dinner in the chippy at the bottom of Howard st. Poor lad don't know the meaning of intimidating

Robbie is not a girl or women. You're not listening.

This isn't about you.

This isn't about me being offended.

This is about girls or women feeling comfortable at games.

 

[Maurice Maurice]

Robbie is not a girl or women. You're not listening.

This isn't about you.

This isn't about me being offended.

This is about girls or women feeling comfortable at games.

I don't care who or what you are, to me you're just an internet crusader, nothing more and nothing less.

 

[JJ Sefton]

How about we sing a trigger warning before we sing it?

 

[metalblade]

Robbie is not a girl or women. You're not listening.

This isn't about you.

This isn't about me being offended.

This is about girls or women feeling comfortable at games.

Who the fuck are you Jean Hatchet?

 

[Maurice Maurice]

The song will mean very little to most blokes who don't need to worry about these things.. Went with a girlfriend at the time a few years ago who had been raped a few years earlier and she found it very uncomfortable. Just the very idea that we'll 'shag your women' alongside drink your beer, as though they'll just turn up and do it, carry out a transaction, was very uncomfortable for her and myself.

All these fucking snowflakes getting raped and being sensitive to these things tho, they're the real problem

I had a mate who needed a quadruple bypass due to hardening of the arteries, imagine his horror when we sing about 'greasy chip butties'. Not funny I know but it's all relative. The only way we can stop upsetting some is by not saying or singing anything. If you look hard enough you'll find something to be offended about in everything you see and hear.

 

[Jon Bon II]

Vital will be printing this thread off and pinning it to the wall.

 

[Nade]

No, but then again I wouldn't expect to be in a football stadium with a load of folks singing songs.

Doubt anyone who gets raped expects to be at the time. That's kinda the entire point of it really

 

[Jon Bon II]

The only way we can stop upsetting some is by not saying or singing anything.

That's already well underway at the Lane unfortunately.

 

[Maurice Maurice]

Doubt anyone who gets raped expects to be at the time. That's kinda the entire point of it really

The point of what? We were talking about a song that's sung at football, the kind of place you'd expect to hear such songs.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Don't pig fans sing "die die piggy piggy die" to ex Blades players? That's alot worse imo.

 

[JJ Sefton]

So I was today years old when I realised the words weren’t “drink your women and shag your beer”

 

[Nade]

I had a mate who needed a quadruple bypass due to hardening of the arteries, imagine his horror when we sing about 'greasy chip butties'. Not funny I know but it's all relative. The only way we can stop upsetting some is by not saying or singing anything. If you look hard enough you'll find something to be offended about in everything you see and hear.

It's not really about looking to be offended and more about a visceral and physical (or physiological) reaction to having attitudes expressed in a public environment which is similar to those which are perpetrated by people who had carried out traumatic events in your life. It's very well documented that people who have experienced trauma can re-experience it again when certain things are expressed in such a way.

Unless someone has been force fed chip butties against their will and it has caused a hardening of the arteries, i think your analogy is pretty stupid, and I imagine it's clear to most people.

Thankfully it's not you that I'm actually trying to convince, but rather the random people reading this

 

[Bladesman]

So I was today years old when I realised the words weren’t “drink your women and shag your beer”

You've been lied to all these years.

 

[Bartleby]

There's a discussion in the GCB thread about whether or not the third stanza of Shoreham Boys is sexist.

So I figured to make a poll and get the matter in its own thread.

Personally, I see it in the same light as much of the other "lad" humour at the football. It's nowhere near singing racist or homophobic chants. Don't like, don't sing.

Does anyone actually sing that last bit any more, usually just fizzles away at that point doesn't it? I get the impression everyone likes the first part of the song, as do I, but then is a bit embarrassed about the last bit.

 

[Nade]

The point of what? We were talking about a song that's sung at football, the kind of place you'd expect to hear such songs.

And those songs will express values which can make people uncomfortable - not because they are 'snowflakes' or whatever but because, for example with this song and my ex girlfriend, they have been raped in the past and the trauma of that can be stirred up when sentiments similar to their rape are expressed in the song, ie 'Shagging women = conquest' etc

 

[Mumbo]

Ever been raped while you were on your travels?

Out of context.

 

[Greenwich Blade]

Anyone know an offensive version of Kumbaya?

 

[raimond]

Fuck's sake, please end international breaks. I can't say it bothers me massively but plenty of folk who normally come across as alright not coming out of this great.

 

[Nade]

Out of context.

No idea what you're on about

 

[brownblade]

This is about girls or women feeling comfortable at games.

This.

Plus 30ish per cent of voters on this saying it's embarrassing.

Women and children.

Football isn't just a ladZzzz event anymore. We can still swear.

 

[Jimmy23]

More importantly than any of this: is it maggots or magnet?

 

[Jimmy23]

The shag your woman bit is definitely debatable, but I could certainly argue that the drink your beer part is just as bad. Im more of a VK kinda guy. I feel offended that beer is in the lyric but no mention of a alcopops. It’s a disgrace, Hecky out, board out! Not renewing my ST.

 

[Nade]

The shag your woman bit is definitely debatable, but I could certainly argue that the drink your beer part is just as bad. Im more of a VK kinda guy. I feel offended that beer is in the lyric but no mention of a alcopops. It’s a disgrace, Hecky out, board out! Not renewing my ST.

Unless you personally know any sentient beers who have been drunk against their will, the analogy is stupid and you're a spanner

I have no doubt this will be obvious to 99% of people reading this

 

[Bartleby]

More importantly than any of this: is it maggots or magnet?

haha brilliant

 

[Maurice Maurice]

And those songs will express values which can make people uncomfortable - not because they are 'snowflakes' or whatever but because, for example with this song and my ex girlfriend, they have been raped in the past and the trauma of that can be stirred up when sentiments similar to their rape are expressed in the song, ie 'Shagging women = conquest' etc

OK, to be pedantic for arguments sake, there's no mention of rape in the song. 'Shag your women', kinda like 'Shag your sister', 'Shag your auntie', there's no mention of the sex being consensual or not so you're simply assuming that the sex being sung about is non consensual.

Oh and I don't use 'snowflake' as an insult either, I think it's a bit of a pappy word to be honest.

 

[Jimmy23]

Unless you personally know any sentient beers who have been drunk against their will, the analogy is stupid and you're a spanner

I have no doubt this will be obvious to 99% of people reading this

K