Rumours from last night.

[Addison]

Another titbit,is that people on the technical board are worried about Hogan's injury record.The info comes from the son of a United director.As some people know, I used to work at the club and sometimes bump into the odd person who still works at the Lane.

Good to hear that common sense is prevailing over Hogan.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

Because he didn’t want a loan deal... he wanted to move somewhere permanently and get on with his career.
It was a nothing bit of journalism using the word ‘panic’ to add weight to the punchline that was his relief.

True, was pure click baity really.

 

[SUFC Guy]

This is what I don't get about this 'loan with a view to buy' stuff. What if - during the loan period - a player gets a career-ending injury? What if he gets arrested? What if he's just shit? What if he's so brilliant the 'parent' club want more money? I just think it's a way to get round the transfer window.

Surely is just the same as buying permanently except the payment is deferred until January. Just sounds like an 'out of the transfer window' loophole to me. I'm all for it tbh. Same gamble as a perm deal regarding injuries etc.

 

[Ricky]

Another titbit,is that people on the technical board are worried about Hogan's injury record.

I'm glad about that to be honest.

I've just checked to confirm he's done his ACL twice, and he has, in addition to other injuries.

I hope we don't sign him.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Hogan, by a mile, the best option.

But I take on board the injury concerns, which must play a factor.

Would be a perfect foil for our sole functioning striker

UTB

 

[Th!stledo]

Surely is just the same as buying permanently except the payment is deferred until January. Just sounds like an 'out of the transfer window' loophole to me. I'm all for it tbh. Same gamble as a perm deal regarding injuries etc.

I would guess, like any contract, it is open to whatever caveats and financial clauses both clubs agree on?

 

[Cerberus Blade]

The biggest rumour I heard was the gal in seat 57 would nosh anyone for a bag of quavers.

She wouldn’t touch your cheesy wotsit though pal!

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

I couldn't have been more explicit.

Haha, I'm not criticising your OP nopigfansintown I'm mocking the general approach to being ITK on here.

 

[Blade56]

Haha, I'm not criticising your OP nopigfansintown I'm mocking the general approach to being ITK on here.

More like in the dark (ITD)

 

[SteveBlade]

So you are basing his height that he isn’t quick? To be fair to him he’s no slouch and isn’t like a Hanson etc.

It's a fact, the taller you are, the slower you are.

Unless you're black.

 

[Bladezz]

It's a fact, the taller you are, the slower you are.

Unless you're black.

Then are you faster?

 

[SteveBlade]

Then are you faster?

Am I faster than what?

 

[LoughboroBlade]

If the fee is agreed and the transfer just needs ratifying in January then presumably the two clubs will have discussed what happens if the player breaks his leg etc. I would guess the move still goes through but who knows.

The transfer window not closing till September is essentially a bit of a farce really and presumably FIFA are to blame and/or the PL. They voted to end the window early, which was great but the loan window still left which still leaves us in the same place - almost. Maybe the PL clubs couldn't vote to close it entirely early, I don't know to be honest. .

I don’t really understand why the concept of a loan with the permanent deal arranged at a later date is a complicated thing to understand. It after all isn’t a new concept, and can’t be backed out of – which we discovered to ill effect in the case of Geoff Horsfield, as did Wednesday more recently with Rhodes.

 

[sheffielder]

Am I faster than what?

A French man

 

[Booker4]

I don’t really understand why the concept of a loan with the permanent deal arranged at a later date is a complicated thing to understand. It after all isn’t a new concept, and can’t be backed out of – which we discovered to ill effect in the case of Geoff Horsfield, as did Wednesday more recently with Rhodes.

Fair enough Loughborough but my main point is that we now have a bit of a mockery of the August 9th deadline (as Wilder has pointed out) as deals are still going on which become permanent anyway.

 

[davidblade]

Can’t say I’m enthused by any of the players we’re supposed to be interested in hope Wilder has a surprise for us.

 

[Blade56]

Can’t say I’m enthused by any of the players we’re supposed to be interested in hope Wilder has a surprise for us.

"SURPRISE".................... NO ONE

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Fair enough Loughborough but my main point is that we now have a bit of a mockery of the August 9th deadline (as Wilder has pointed out) as deals are still going on which become permanent anyway.

That wasn’t I should say directed at you in particular! It just seems as though people are now coming to this as it’s some sort of new concept – when with different loan window deadlines it’s not really new at all. No disagreement on this making a mockery of the concept.

 

[BigBed]

Nothing groundbreaking, but our targets are Sam Gallagher and Marvin Johnson.

I'm shocked to hear a rumour that's only been doing the rounds 2wks this quickly, I need to sit down.

 

[Pinchy]

Fair enough Loughborough but my main point is that we now have a bit of a mockery of the August 9th deadline (as Wilder has pointed out) as deals are still going on which become permanent anyway.

I said previously it was ‘to all intents and purposes’ the same now as on August 9th. One of our colleagues who is never happier than when beating his “own club” insisted I was wrong, for no better reason than it was me who said it. True to form, I wasn’t.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Bramall Lane is falling down is one i quite clearly heard.

 

[Weasel]

There are basically 3 types of loan deal.

1). Straight loan. Players comes in for x time then upon expiry of the deal buggers off back to his parent club.

2) Loan with OPTION to buy. Player comes on loan for x time and (usually upon expiry or possibly beforehand if all parties agree) the player is sold for an amount agreed at the time the original loan was set up. The option could feasibly be weighted either way though in favour of either the buying or the selling club. No guaranteed transfer at the end of it as it is an option only.

3) loan with permanent transfer agreed. Upon Loan expiring (usually at the start of the the permanent transfer window opening up again), the loan automatically moves to phase 2 which is a permanent transfer. If player breaks a leg.in the meantime it's tough for the selling club as the agreement is already in place. This is the type of loan arrangement that we have brought Norwood in on - he is our permanent player (though loan in name only for now)and his 2 and a half year permanent contract automatically kicks in on 1 January 2019.

It seems that CW is trying to agree a loan type 2 with Boro for Marvellous Marvin (I will be purchasing the copyright to call him 'Hagler'), and will go option 1 for our new striker. Mainly due to wages involved.

Re Norwoods 'panic'. He meant that he wasn't happy until his agent pointed out that his contract automatically turned into a permanent move as he didn't want another loan. He was desperate to come back up north and get his young family settled back in his native area (lancashire). He was always after a permanent move to United.

 

[WORKSOPBLADE]

There are basically 3 types of loan deal.

1). Straight loan. Players comes in for x time then upon expiry of the deal buggers off back to his parent club.

2) Loan with OPTION to buy. Player comes on loan for x time and (usually upon expiry or possibly beforehand if all parties agree) the player is sold for an amount agreed at the time the original loan was set up. The option could feasibly be weighted either way though in favour of either the buying or the selling club. No guaranteed transfer at the end of it as it is an option only.

3) loan with permanent transfer agreed. Upon Loan expiring (usually at the start of the the permanent transfer window opening up again), the loan automatically moves to phase 2 which is a permanent transfer. If player breaks a leg.in the meantime it's tough for the selling club as the agreement is already in place. This is the type of loan arrangement that we have brought Norwood in on - he is our permanent player (though loan in name only for now)and his 2 and a half year permanent contract automatically kicks in on 1 January 2019.

It seems that CW is trying to agree a loan type 2 with Boro for Marvellous Marvin (I will be purchasing the copyright to call him 'Hagler'), and will go option 1 for our new striker. Mainly due to wages involved.

Re Norwoods 'panic'. He meant that he wasn't happy until his agent pointed out that his contract automatically turned into permanent move as he didn't want another loan. He was desperate to come back up north and get his young family settled back in his native area (lancashire). He was always after a permanent move to United.

Surely option 3 is tough on buying club if he breaks a leg, not the selling club as the deal will still go through.

 

[SteveBlade]

Surely option 3 is tough on buying club if he breaks a leg, not the selling club as the deal will still go through.

Yeah, but it's basically the same deal as just signing the player to get around the early closure of the transfer window, except they can't play against their parent club. If they snap their shit up, they've taken the punt and agreed a fee, so it's the problem of the club he's set to sign for.

 

[Weasel]

Surely option 3 is tough on buying club if he breaks a leg, not the selling club as the deal will still go through.

Your quite correct. I did mean to state 'buying club' rather than 'selling club' and didn't have time to read my post before I posted it.

In my defence though, I was typing it whilst having the old dear wittering on in my ear at the same time and i was trying to look vaguely interested in what she was saying. Clear evidence I suppose that men can't multi task. Though as i point out to the missus, I could watch porn and drink beer both at the same time if she wanted me to prove her wrong...

 

[LoughboroBlade]

There are basically 3 types of loan deal.

1). Straight loan. Players comes in for x time then upon expiry of the deal buggers off back to his parent club.

2) Loan with OPTION to buy. Player comes on loan for x time and (usually upon expiry or possibly beforehand if all parties agree) the player is sold for an amount agreed at the time the original loan was set up. The option could feasibly be weighted either way though in favour of either the buying or the selling club. No guaranteed transfer at the end of it as it is an option only.

3) loan with permanent transfer agreed. Upon Loan expiring (usually at the start of the the permanent transfer window opening up again), the loan automatically moves to phase 2 which is a permanent transfer. If player breaks a leg.in the meantime it's tough for the selling club as the agreement is already in place. This is the type of loan arrangement that we have brought Norwood in on - he is our permanent player (though loan in name only for now)and his 2 and a half year permanent contract automatically kicks in on 1 January 2019.

It seems that CW is trying to agree a loan type 2 with Boro for Marvellous Marvin (I will be purchasing the copyright to call him 'Hagler'), and will go option 1 for our new striker. Mainly due to wages involved.

Re Norwoods 'panic'. He meant that he wasn't happy until his agent pointed out that his contract automatically turned into a permanent move as he didn't want another loan. He was desperate to come back up north and get his young family settled back in his native area (lancashire). He was always after a permanent move to United.

Well done for clearly laying out the loan window options, but don’t be surprised if plenty simply ignore or refuse to understand how that all works...

The 2018 version of “does anyone have the GCB ringtone?” is “but does this mean we have to sign him at the end of the loan?”

 

[Weasel]

Well done for clearly laying out the loan window options, but don’t be surprised if plenty simply ignore or refuse to understand how that all works...

The 2018 version of “does anyone have the GCB ringtone?” is “but does this mean we have to sign him at the end of the loan?”

Too true. But in a moment of weakness, I thought i would also have a stab at trying to give a simple explanation to some on here that somehow can't seem to get their head around this. We arent exactly discussing quantum physics here either.

My next 'stab at it' might involve a kitchen knife though.

 

[Pinchy]

Well done for clearly laying out the loan window options, but don’t be surprised if plenty simply ignore or refuse to understand how that all works...

The 2018 version of “does anyone have the GCB ringtone?” is “but does this mean we have to sign him at the end of the loan?”

Of course this is a problem for those of us who The Agenda. We want to attack our club for not bringing in permanent transfers before 9th August, but we also want to berate it for effecting loans that we are obliged to convert into permanent deals on January 1st, in case the player breaks his thumbnail or contracts measles.

Our problem is that we have overlooked the reality that the permanent signing comes with exactly the same risks and consequences.

Whatever shall we do?

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Of course this is a problem for those of us who The Agenda. We want to attack our club for not bringing in permanent transfers before 9th August, but we also want to berate it for effecting loans that we are obliged to convert into permanent deals on January 1st, in case the player breaks his thumbnail or contracts measles.

Our problem is that we have overlooked the reality that the permanent signing comes with exactly the same risks and consequences.

Whatever shall we do?

I assumed that if Egan breaks his leg on Saturday we could still return him to Brentford for a refund as it’s still within the warranty period.

 

[Pinchy]

I assumed that if Egan breaks his leg on Saturday we could still return him to Brentford for a refund as it’s still within the warranty period.

No refund but you can have another Egan or a voucher.