Respect for Chris tomorrow

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Do you honestly, honestly believe that's why he left?! Because only a fool would say he doesn't have a relegation on his C.V. He left because he didn't want to work any longer for a chairman that clearly he didn't see eye to eye with and I think the last straw was the lack of signing any players in January, Wilder knew we were down and didn't want to just go through the motions to the end of the season because it was obvious to him that he could no longer work with the Prince. We may find it hard to accept him leaving, because we our fans of the club, but to any manager they've got to be able to have the tools to do the job, I'm guessing, that he thought he could no longer continue working under the Prince and his model. What we don't know is the ins and outs of it, the detail, the transfers that didn't happen and/or why they didn't happen from both sides of the argument.
Yes but it seems like the stand off with the Prince came through wilders money wasting so surely wilder should have understood why the prince was looking at a different transfer policy after the abysmal return on investment. I don’t think wilder would accept any blame and looked like he felt hard done too, I reckon he’s the type of bloke who if critised about wasting
money he’d say ‘well you wouldn’t have had any money to spend if it wasn’t for me getting you here’. He should have put his bottom lip back in, maybe admitted his signings hadn’t worked out, learn from it and had another crack at the championship (like he has done but with another club!)
 

Have it on good authority this is being played by GS if we win.

 
Whatever happens, can I appeal to all not to boo him?

That will make us look like the classless shower of cunts Chelsea looked like chanting for Abrhamovic the other day.

Dignity and respect and show him what he's missing at Bramall Lane, how noisy and atmospheric it can be and what it sounds like when we win

pommpey

I can only agree. For the record I don't advocate booing him. I'll be ignoring him as I do all opposition managers
No ' sit down shut up' then?
 
And spent all of it....plus a bit more
On assets the club still owns and growing the club which hasn't shrunk back to it's previous level.

We earn more in the Championship than we did in League 1. Bogle, Egan, O'Connell, Brewster, Berge are worth more than Hammond, Woolford, Done, Brayford were.

The quality of what we have been able to watch and are still watching has improved dramatically. Attendances are up, revenue is up.

So nah, that's bollocks.
 
On assets the club still owns and growing the club which hasn't shrunk back to it's previous level.

We earn more in the Championship than we did in League 1. Bogle, Egan, O'Connell, Brewster, Berge are worth more than Hammond, Woolford, Done, Brayford were.

The quality of what we have been able to watch and are still watching has improved dramatically. Attendances are up, revenue is up.

So nah, that's bollocks.
The point was he spent more than what he earned and many of the 'assets' he purchased were over priced and and over paid. He failed to get the best out of them( e.g. Brewster,McBurnie, Berge,Lowe,Burke)
The majority of his premier league spending ( plus wages) was poor
 
The point was he spent more than what he earned and many of the 'assets' he purchased were over priced and and over paid. He failed to get the best out of them( e.g. Brewster,McBurnie, Berge,Lowe,Burke)
The majority of his premier league spending ( plus wages) was poor
He spent more than what he earned? So we are a poorer club today than when he first took over? News to me.

Many of the assets that Ferguson, Mourinho and Guardiola signed were over priced, over paid and did not reach their potential. It happens.

That our owner used a significant amount of the club's money to buy out McCabe is hardly brought up, but the manager making some bad signings and taking an agreed payout is seen as an unconscionable sin for which he deserves to be flogged.

He spent the clubs money well the vast majority of the time, resulting in our rapid rise. Then he spent some poorly. Why do people react to this like he's shagged their partner?
 
He spent more than what he earned? So we are a poorer club today than when he first took over? News to me.

Many of the assets that Ferguson, Mourinho and Guardiola signed were over priced, over paid and did not reach their potential. It happens.

That our owner used a significant amount of the club's money to buy out McCabe is hardly brought up, but the manager making some bad signings and taking an agreed payout is seen as an unconscionable sin for which he deserves to be flogged.

He spent the clubs money well the vast majority of the time, resulting in our rapid rise. Then he spent some poorly. Why do people react to this like he's shagged their partner?
So you agree he wasted the club's money during the Premier League transfer windows ?
I don't understand why some fans can't see the full picture as if the disastrous last 18 months of his tenure didnt exist
Yes Wilder did great for 3 and a half seasons, the board backed him as much as they could during that time , but it then went tits up big time with th player purchases, style of play and the blame game being played by the manager.
He spunked all the moeny and left via the back door. Surely that can't be argued
 

So you agree he wasted the club's money during the Premier League transfer windows ?
I don't understand why some fans can't see the full picture as if the disastrous last 18 months of his tenure didnt exist
Yes Wilder did great for 3 and a half seasons, the board backed him as much as they could during that time , but it then went tits up big time with th player purchases, style of play and the blame game being played by the manager.
He spunked all the moeny and left via the back door. Surely that can't be argued
I agree that in hindsight, he wasted some of the clubs money. Everyone does. Isn't hindsight an amazing thing.

He didn't "spunk all the money". Ramsdale was a good signing. Bogle was a good signing. Henderson was a good signing. Osborn was a good signing. Arguably, Mousett and Mcburnie's performances in our first season justified their signings. I know Bladespod gave those signings fairly high ratings at the end of that season.

I don't particularly understand the back door stuff.
 
If you’re missing out the PA playing Status Quo constantly, you’re not missing much out of the matchday experience believe me. :)
Garyoke and his little motivational songs is one of the things that I'd miss if we didn't have it but it really pisses me off when he does it. He knows how to flog a dead horse that lad.
 
Nah. Like bumping into the ex, no bad blood, but nothing more ceremonial than a slight nod of the head. Not even the mildest urge to chat about the heady hazy memoirs.

So much water under the bridge since the days of We're on The March...
 
I agree that in hindsight, he wasted some of the clubs money. Everyone does. Isn't hindsight an amazing thing.

He didn't "spunk all the money". Ramsdale was a good signing. Bogle was a good signing. Henderson was a good signing. Osborn was a good signing. Arguably, Mousett and Mcburnie's performances in our first season justified their signings. I know Bladespod gave those signings fairly high ratings at the end of that season.

I don't particularly understand the back door stuff.
The 'back door' comment is a dig at Wilder . I wanted him to stay and sort the mess out. If he left, i wanted him to leave with his head held high. He always said he came in through the front door and would leave the same way. The way he apparantly manipulated his exit( maybe harsh but that is how is looked to me)...it felt like he sneaked out the back door
 
As the debate rages on for the fans of whether to clap, boo, chant or do nothing. Spare a thought for Gary Sinclair, this must be his toughest MC prep in years !

I imagine it’ll be exciting and go something like this

“As we welcome our visitors, Middlesbrough, and former manager Chris Wilder” crowd claps for a few second, then name the teams. Done.

A round of boos would be completely unnecessary and wrong in my opinion. We had 4 of the best seasons I’ve ever seen, before he failed to keep us in the Premier League at the 2nd time of asking, not exactly a huge failure.
 
Bloody hell, I genuinely can’t be bothered to go tonight because of all the fanboying people want to give Wilder.

He’ll be absolutely desperate to batter us tonight, respect him after the game if you want to.
 
He bought some shite at the end then resigned. We're saddled with the salaries of crap like Berge, Brewster and Mcburnie for a while yet, so that is his immediate legacy. But when I slag off Berge and Brewster, most folks seem to think they're class players who we haven't yet got the best out of for a million reasons, so maybe it's only Mcburnie who is a shit big-money signing. In which case, that ain't so bad is it?
And Dave Bassett also resigned, but still always got a welcome on his return.
I just remember he was responsible for 1 of the only 3 or 4 good spells in my 55 years of going to The Lane. And the football he brought was miles better than Bassett and wanky Warnock. Only John Harris has done it better in my time.
As for clapping before the game, that won't enter into my equation. The lure of pre-match pints of Reet Pale or Moonshine means that I haven't seen a kick-off for many years. But I'd like to think he isn't disparaged by anyone......
 
As the debate rages on for the fans of whether to clap, boo, chant or do nothing. Spare a thought for Gary Sinclair, this must be his toughest MC prep in years !

I imagine it’ll be exciting and go something like this

“As we welcome our visitors, Middlesbrough, and former manager Chris Wilder” crowd claps for a few second, then name the teams. Done.

A round of boos would be completely unnecessary and wrong in my opinion. We had 4 of the best seasons I’ve ever seen, before he failed to keep us in the Premier League at the 2nd time of asking, not exactly a huge failure.
It wouldn't surprise me if he's had instructions not to even mention his name tonight. The club have definitely had a purge on Wilder artefacts based on an edict by Abdullah, I can't imagine he'll want Wilder getting any formal recognition from someone paid by the club.
 
It wouldn't surprise me if he's had instructions not to even mention his name tonight. The club have definitely had a purge on Wilder artefacts based on an edict by Abdullah, I can't imagine he'll want Wilder getting any formal recognition from someone paid by the club.
Yeah I suppose, we’ll have to see what happens
 
Few things on Wilder I think we all need to know. For those that say he left through the back door, I think we really need to hear his side of the story first. In particular why was there no LCB coming in when we had two weeks to sign one after JOC got injured; Wilder said he needed another, we had to sign another but instead we just made do with Jack Robinson there and with all due respect to Jack Robinson ( deserves a new contract in my view) he wasn't up to playing week in, week out in the PL.

I can't believe he would have left his boyhood club unless he had very good reason to and I don't buy it, before someone says so, that it was because we were bottom of the league and he didn't want the relegation on his C.V, because everyone knows he does, even though he left with three months to go. I'm not saying I don't share the frustration of other Blades in that he heft us, it is hard to not see it as deserting us and why he got a £4m pay off of whatever it is, mystifies me as Wilder has said himself he didn't resign. But again that's something that will eventually come out I'm sure. I find it hard for some of our fans to say say he's a yellow bellied this and that until I know why he decided to leave, it's something we may well have to wait a long time for.

So he'll get a big clap from me when he comes out to take the side-lines. I doubt he'll get a rendition of he's one of our own if honest, I would join in if it got going, he is still one of our own as far as I'm concerned. But the Allez, Allez, Allez would be taking it too far - he's no longer our gaffer for starters.

I would say in criticism of Wilder that I didn't like many of his interviews during the last season, very critical at a time and I think that could have been kept private, but at the same time I don't know what he said to the players also. He doesn't come across as the encouraging type to me, I would guess Alan Knill does that more though and he's half of the management package.

I do hope Wilder doesn't do a Warnock if they win tomorrow night, I'm sure he'll be very tempted to, but if he starts banging the chest and punching his fist, I'll admit that will annoy me, but some on here will say why should it, he's not longer our manager, but to me it still feels like a tragedy that he isn't because I still think he's the best manager we had for a generation.
We may never know what happened, but it did.
I respect what he did for my club and now want to celebrate success with our current manager.
Let’s all move on (and up).
 
I’m no fan of the Prince but from his point of view he surely saw how Wilder had spent the millions at his disposal yet we basically had the same starting eleven. His premier league signings have basically been very poor value for money. We were so far adrift you can see why he might have been so reluctant to release more funds?
We had some fantastic times under CW but if just 50% of his prem signings were successful then it might have been a different story.
Personally I’ll give polite applause before kick off but the fact he left through the very back door he constantly told us he wouldn’t leave through will always leave a slightly sour taste
I think you're right that the Prince probably by that point decided not to sign anyone, I would guess Wilder wanted a loan or two of real quality such as Lingaard, but the Prince said Wilder wanted a defensive midfielder, I think?! We won't know until Wilder says his part, that could be ten years off when a book inevitably comes out. More chance of a player saying something that was there at the time.

In terms of Wilder's recruitment in the PL, it wasn't great, but there's a few factors here. Firstly we already had a decent side, that may have been from the Championship but as we know from the season where we finished 9th, the likes of Fleck, Egan, Stevens, Baldock, McGoldrick, Lundstram, Bash and Norwood were immense. So it was never going to be easy for anyone coming in to oust them. That's the first part. Second season obviously is a different story but you have to remember that in the pre-season before we got relegated who would have thought we'd need to replace Norwood, Fleck, Stevens and Lundstram for example; as I said, they were quality before.

Wilder signed players from the Championship by in large, most bar Freeman were under 25 so they had time to develop into PL players, or if not they would likely be takers in the Championship where the likes of McBurnie, Robinson and Freeman had excelled. Likewise Brewster was only 20 and time to develop also. He didn't sign expensive older PL squad players on huge money; he couldn't with the wage budget. We do know we lost out on the likes of Matty Cash and Robinson from Wigan. The transfer fee was millions for the players we signed because top end younger Championship players do cost upwards of £10m but the wages were small, relatively speaking and affordable. We could have gone abroad, but that didn't work out too well from the loan signings of Zivkovic (whatever he was called), Retsos and dare I say Berge. Who signed those three players I would like to know, I wonder if none of them were Wilder signings because he hardly played the first two and Berge was of course hot property when he arrived, and to be fair could still turn out to be a good signing.

I think for all the arguments on Wilder's pay off, the recruitment etc, the main beef people have is that he left us before the end of the season and many see that as cowardly; the easy way out. I'd love to think I would have stayed to the end of the season if I was Wilder, but that's easy to say from the outside; what we don't know also is what was it like behind the scenes particularly with the players, maybe Wilder knew that his time was up - in fact I'm sure he would have thought he's going come the end of the season, by his own accord saying that. So if the dressing room atmosphere was poor, maybe he thought he'd flogged the horse as much as he could and it was time for a fresh face to liven things up. Maybe he sensed that the players just didn't respond to him anymore, maybe even several were bad mouthing him behind the scenes and he thought he was losing the dressing room, although I doubt that. We just don't know, but that's the point; I do find it astonishing that most on here are very happy to say he's a Judas, quitter etc without even hearing his side of the story, and trusting everything the Prince has said, and with all due respect to the Prince, he's a clever fox, he knows how to play people the media, just look at how it went in the case with McCabe.
 
One minute of furious wanking on the Kop.....

The sensible thing to do would be for the club to do a tannoy announcement just before kick-off. Get him to wander on to the edge of the pitch, give him a round of applause and then just get on with it. Maybe McBurnie can present him with a bunch of flowers?

Yes, for giving him the best contract he'll ever have in his life
 

Would be nice if we can have a moment of respect/applause for Chris tomorrow night

Seen on facebook few mention this , would be nice if we could get a rendition of Allez allez in the 9th minute for the 9th place finish in the premier league as a show of respect to our old boss

Personally I would find it weird to say thank you to him

Absolutely not. Some people need to let go.

If he comes out and waves to the 4 stands, or If Gary Sinclair mentions him with the team sheet, I'll applaud him. I won't sing to him or anything of the sort.

Actually, if we by chance go 3-0 up, I may chant "Wilder, what's the score?"
 

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