Why we should give Chris/Alan a chance

[54yrblade]

I think I'd be tempted to keep CW but pension off Knilly.
Replace with a younger coach with new ideas

That assumes That Wilder is the more talented of the two

 

[The Crab]

Big Love to you as well mate

I bet stevie hasn’t been short of big love in her time

 

[LBA_Blade]

Selles had six games. We were absolute shit in those six games granted. Wilders had more than enough games (and also a transfer window to sign players to make a difference). Let’s not blame it on a short period of time when we’ve consistently shit our pants whenever we’ve got close to the play offs.

Performance wise we weren’t too far off in some of the early matches, at home to Bristol could have gone either way, we played 2nd, 3rd and 4th in the league off the current league table under Selles and you do wonder how much longer he would have had if he hadn’t of been smashed 5-0 by Ipswich. Although totally agreed that since Mid-September to now nobody can blame Selles for what has happened over the last 3-5 matches in particular

 

[Danetheblade]

Performance wise we weren’t too far off in some of the early matches, at home to Bristol could have gone either way, we played 2nd, 3rd and 4th in the league off the current league table under Selles and you do wonder how much longer he would have had if he hadn’t of been smashed 5-0 by Ipswich. Although totally agreed that since Mid-September to now nobody can blame Selles for what has happened over the last 3-5 matches in particular

I don’t think we can blame Selles for the past few months personally. I’d even go as far as December. We’re very quick to jump on Selles for those six games, yet we’re very slow to do the same for Wilder.

Was pretty obvious the players were actively throwing Selles under the bus, so understand why we got shut.

 

[Rudders]

The big problem at United is the squad. The club will do incredibly well to alter that equation in one summer window. I have zero faith that the movers and shakers behind the scenes have the wherewithal to do it. In fact, if they have their hands on the tiller in the same way as last summer we'd be relegated next season. It's not been a money thing either: they've spent good money on shite.

My expectations have been hugely recalibrated based on the squad we have.There's others expecting a play off push this or next season, with the silver bullet of ABW (anyone but Wilder).Their real problem is their own deluded expectations.

I agree that vast chunks of the current squad is bobber. But you are also giving Wilder too much of a free ride with that paradigm I think. There maybe cause for optimism for next season as:

• a lot of the squad will be leaving
• a low fee high player turnover scenario is probably Wilder’s sweet spot

- selling a good player for decent cash may enable us to trade out some more of the contracted dross, creating space for better players

 

[Silky Sabella]

Will Selles get the blame for every game we lose next season? With some of the idiot's on this forum the answer is yes!
Will the owners turn a blind eye to wilders massive failure this season?
The answer is NO, because the owner's, just the same as after the play off final will be massively aware of the negativity towards wilder !

 

[Sean Thornton]

I always thought that after the disastrous start, and some of the pre season signings, play offs were always going to be a push. So missing out isn’t my reason for wanting a change. Firstly, for the second season in a row, the drop off towards the end was shocking and the football was generally dire. Plus, again team selections were strange, to say the least although not as bad as his apparent need to start Lundcunt every game a couple of seasons before.

As for the ‘only man who can do the job’ group, based on what? His major successes were some time ago and let’s not forget last seasons failure to achieve automatic from a position of strength. 92 points yes, but we saw a similar drop off again. Can we risk another repetition?

We need a genuine football man advising the board be it as a DoF or board member. If we want a strong squad we clearly need better scouting and a stop to signing “experienced” yet unfit and injury prone journeymen.

And no, l don’t have the answers/names. But just wanting CW based on the past or his Bladeybladeness, those people are really just as much in the dark.

 

[Yewsman]

He should have known what was needed after his first six games and had a plan, instead all we got in the JTW were a lad of duds, crocks and panic buys. I see no reason at all to persevere with a bloke who has clearly lost his mojo, get rid and give someone else a crack at bringing the club into modern world. Wilder has clearly let the game pass him by and is ten years past his sell by date.

He came in after we had lost the first 6 games and inherited a bunch of duds crocks and panic buys brought in by the owners and presumably by Selles. He wasn’t able to strengthen outside the STW except by recruiting players who had no contract elsewhere and got us Riedewald and then Bamford. Agree that recruitment was poor in JTW but we were limited no doubt by the massive wages being paid to all the enormous squad he inherited. I think Rothwell will prove to be a decent signing. Phillips I agree was poor choice as were Hoever and hjelder but the real problem has been the dross signed in the STW and nothing to do with CW.

 

[Gin&Juice]

Will Selles get the blame for every game we lose next season? With some of the idiot's on this forum the answer is yes!
Will the owners turn a blind eye to wilders massive failure this season?
The answer is NO, because the owner's, just the same as after the play off final will be massively aware of the negativity towards wilder !

Your long game con is really something to behold. Almost virgin like:

 

[Keen Blade]

Has there been any talk of a meeting between Wilder and COH to discuss the summer and next season ? This will be quite interesting to see if one occurs like it did with the Prince. The Prince at least was more hands on (apart from when he was told to distance himself by his family) I reckon it will just be Wilder and Bettis.

It's always been just Wilder & Bettis.
That's the feckin problem.
Oh , and all Wilder's mediocre mates in the coaching & recruitment.
We are a £100m business run like a small parish council.
Think 'Vicar of Dibley'.
No no no no no no no no no no ...
Yes

 

[loveWalrusDaveTheBlade]

Has there been any talk of a meeting between Wilder and COH to discuss the summer and next season ? This will be quite interesting to see if one occurs like it did with the Prince. The Prince at least was more hands on (apart from when he was told to distance himself by his family) I reckon it will just be Wilder and Bettis.

Of course there will be talks between COH and Wilder about plans for the summer and beyond. According to Wilder, these have been happening regularly throughout the season - they will clearly want involvement in shaping the future plan given that they've put a huge sum of their own money into our club. Rosen was pictured at our last home game.
The problem is that this probably won't get us very far. I suspect that Wilder can run rings around them in terms of knowledge of football and how to run a club. I doubt they have the capability to properly challenge his views, or even to establish firm metrics for success in a business that they don't properly understand.
There's a lot of clamour for a DOF, to address this blind spot. I personally find that risky, in terms of trusting the ownership to make such a crucial appointment at this stage. I would much rather they spent some short term money on bringing in a few wise football heads on a temporary consultancy basis, who can properly challenge Wilder and Bettis, and then lock themselves away to make a start on the job on properly developing their vision, a strategy through which this can be achieved, and a plan to take us there. That done, everybody in the room who wants to stay will need to sign on to it, and to their personal role in delivering it.

Without proper thought into a plan, simply replacing the manager, or taking a blind stab at a DOF appointment is simply rolling the dice - it will effect change, but who knows in what direction.
If they haven't got the stomach to take on a full strategy review, then keep it simple and start with the obvious short term wins:

• what do we need to do and who do we need to involve to deliver marked improvement in fitness and endurance of our playing staff this summer(easily achievable and measurable)
• what short term steps can we take to improve recruitment success ( trickier, but doable)
• how do we get the coaching structure right such that we can defend properly, attack properly, and maintain this effectivess during tactical and on field personnel change ( absolute basics)

We can't effect the required structural changes at the club overnight, but we surely need a vision and a plan to do this over time, as well as doing some obvious things to plug our glaring gaps and deliver significant on field improvement in the short term.
For what it's worth, I think that Wilder can bring a great deal to the short term stuff, but much less to the longer term. If that's true, then there are some fairly easy and obvious routes through which the owners can achieve both, and I expect that this is what will happen. I think he will leave his current role next summer ( barring an absolute disaster in the first half of the season, which seems unlikely ( famous last words)). But if this happens as part of a considered and planned move in the right direction, then that would be so much better for the club than an impulsive knee jerk ( gratifying as this may feel to some in the short term).