Why can't we question him?

[The Crab]

First of all sorry if this has been all said in another thread but;

It's easy to say all this after a woeful few weeks but when can we start questioning Wilder? Personally I'm already there but it seems to a lot of people it's Selles's fault we're in this position which is partly correct, but when can you blame Chris?

1. Constant changes in the side, often the bench looks stronger than the first team.

2. Lack of fitness speaks for itself really

3. Lack of tactical changes in game/weird substitutes

4. A very low % of actual good signings he's made throughout the years (yes I know Selles didn't help this season)

5. Plays his favourites over what's actually needed

6. Outbursts of drabble in his post match interviews.

7. Promises drastic changes in January when he came in and I haven't seen a thing to say it's changed, albeit we don't know what's going on behind the curtains.

I'm not entirely saying he needs to go, but if he didn't bleed red n white, people would definitely be calling for chop.
Where do we go from here??

Not a fight I’m willing to get involved in anymore.

To some he’s bulletproof because he “gets” us (yet is straight down the tunnel when things don’t go his way).

Objectively, results have improved but from the lowest possible base.

It’s not good enough, but the blame doesn’t just lie at Wilders door. The board, the players, plenty of blame to go around. This will take more to fix than a change of manager

 

[The Crab]

It reminds me of The Weekly Planet's movie review criteria.

Either best movie ever or worst movie ever. Nothing in between.

Build a statue or slash his tyres. Pick a side!

I’m slashing the statue…

 

[John Cutsbushes]

Our best starting X1 is top 6, unfortunately the fringe players arent up to consistent results and performance
In a 3 game week of course we are going to make changes, everyone is needed
Wilder deserves next season albeit with a reduced budget

 

[The Crab]

Thank you for a legitimate response and not have face on like others have.
You raise good points, I personally think him promising things will change has hit me the most, as I can't really see much change whatsoever. And the fact that this season seems to have been there for the taking has made it far worse.

Maybe we'll see the true changes in the summer but why not say that instead of saying there's a plan already in place for January and then continue to do sod all in Jan? Unless Hoever was the plan, then I am worried

I think we will absolutely see changes in the summer. End of the parachute payments so there’ll be some major pruning

 

[SB_90]

we've had 1 bad game & all of a sudden we to have question wilder. i said last night on SB. i dont understand the fans that are desperate for wilder to fail

if we can question wilder on the bad things. how about we question wilder on the good things. that despite inheriting a team that was historically doomed. & with injuries, suspensions & many hugely underperforming compared to 24/25. he wouldve had us still 11th 5pts off the playoffs with a game in hand. if luck had been with us the last 2 games couldve been 6th

 

[Carlton Blade]

we've had 1 bad game & all of a sudden we to have question wilder. i said last night on SB. i dont understand the fans that are desperate for wilder to fail

if we can question wilder on the bad things. how about we question wilder on the good things. that despite inheriting a team that was historically doomed. & with injuries, suspensions & many hugely underperforming compared to 24/25. he wouldve had us still 11th 5pts off the playoffs with a game in hand. if luck had been with us the last 2 games couldve been 6th

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Plenty of reasons to question Wilder over the years, I'dsay I'm at the more skeptical end of fandom 2nd spell onwards. I thought last season was verging on disastrous given the resources we had

I find it bizarre that last night, when almost all of it was out of his hands due to injuries, suspension, tiredness and wank transfer business is seemingly the last straw for so many I think he's done a good job to get this team from non competitive to mid table

 

[SB_90]

Plenty of reasons to question Wilder over the years, I'dsay I'mat the more skeptical end of fandom 2nd spell onwards. I thought last season was verging on disastrous given the resources we had

I find it bizarre that last night, when almost all of it was out of his hands due to injuries, suspension,t tiredness and wank transfer business is seemingly the last straw for so many I think he's done a good job to get this team from non competitive to mid table

i would agree we were underperformed last season & were fortunate to get as many points as we did. also that april was terrible. but then looking at how bad Leicester & Southampton have been maybe im being too harsh

but this season id say he is overachieving & i genuinely dont know anyone who wouldve done a better job

 

[Carlton Blade]

i would argue we were underperformed last season & were fortunate to get as many points as we did. also that april was terrible. but then looking at how bad Leicester & Southampton have been maybe im being too harsh

but this season id say he is overachieving & i genuinely dont know anyone who wouldve done a better job

There are better managers. For the specific situation United were in after Ipswich, Wilder was the best man for it

 

[JT89]

Selles had six games, most of which were without our best players and back line of Burrows, RND & Bindon. By the time we got to the Ipswich game the writing was on the wall before a ball was kicked.

A very vocal section of our fans are wedded to Chris Wilder and not the club, for a number of reasons. Nostalgia, access to tickets, they share mates etc… absolutely not of it is good for the club.

People that should be putting him under pressure (press, supporters groups, FAB, senior staff at United) are totally beholden to his cult of personality so will default to scapegoating.

Selles was/is a competent manager, but he was not responsible for the summer. The blame for this season goes back to April when we threw away top spot, which forced the board to make a change, which they made a total bollocks off, and let Selles take the fall because we don’t have a modern football club structure but appointed a modern football manager.

Case in point, wilders been back for 22 games now and he’s lost half of them, somehow this is still Selles’ fault.

Absolutely spot on.

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

People that should be putting him under pressure (press, supporters groups, FAB, senior staff at United) are totally beholden to his cult of personality so will default to scapegoating

Putting him under pressure for what he's doing absolutely fine isnt he?

 

[SB_90]

Selles had six games, most of which were without our best players and back line of Burrows, RND & Bindon. By the time we got to the Ipswich game the writing was on the wall before a ball was kicked.

A very vocal section of our fans are wedded to Chris Wilder and not the club, for a number of reasons. Nostalgia, access to tickets, they share mates etc… absolutely not of it is good for the club.

People that should be putting him under pressure (press, supporters groups, FAB, senior staff at United) are totally beholden to his cult of personality so will default to scapegoating.

Selles was/is a competent manager, but he was not responsible for the summer. The blame for this season goes back to April when we threw away top spot, which forced the board to make a change, which they made a total bollocks off, and let Selles take the fall because we don’t have a modern football club structure but appointed a modern football manager.

Case in point, wilders been back for 22 games now and he’s lost half of them, somehow this is still Selles’ fault.

are you ruben selles or has wilder ran over your dog. because for the situation he inherited. almost certain relegation. he's overachieving

results were kind to selles

• we never looked like scoring if played for 100 years v Birmingham & Swansea.
• Millwall shouldve been out of sight but missed many chances
• Middlesbrough was embarrassing & the only difference between ipswich & Middlesbrough was ipswich took some of the endless chances they had.
• the "competent" Selles was getting outperfomed by the current Wednesday

 

[Sheffsteel]

I’m lucky as I’m not part of the “Wilder out we hate him” gang but I’m not in the “Wilder in he’s the messiah and can do no wrong” either.

Therefore I’m free to be old fashioned and apply critical thinking.

The positives for Wilder
1: The football style in recent weeks where we totally dominate the opposite suggests we could be on to something. It’s the best football we’ve played since the div 1 promotion season.

 

[haich1889]

First of all sorry if this has been all said in another thread but;

It's easy to say all this after a woeful few weeks but when can we start questioning Wilder? Personally I'm already there but it seems to a lot of people it's Selles's fault we're in this position which is partly correct, but when can you blame Chris?

1. Constant changes in the side, often the bench looks stronger than the first team.

2. Lack of fitness speaks for itself really

3. Lack of tactical changes in game/weird substitutes

4. A very low % of actual good signings he's made throughout the years (yes I know Selles didn't help this season)

5. Plays his favourites over what's actually needed

6. Outbursts of drabble in his post match interviews.

7. Promises drastic changes in January when he came in and I haven't seen a thing to say it's changed, albeit we don't know what's going on behind the curtains.

I'm not entirely saying he needs to go, but if he didn't bleed red n white, people would definitely be calling for chop.
Where do we go from here??

he dropped Siriki, just like last season when he did te same to Alfie. Her does like fuc#ing his right backs up! Seriki player of season for me, wouldn't blame him for leaving.

 

[Cheesebored]

he dropped Siriki, just like last season when he did te same to Alfie. Her does like fuc#ing his right backs up! Seriki player of season for me, wouldn't blame him for leaving.

Or maybe Wilder feels he needs a rest, like others in the team also. It's a hectic schedule that needs managing. As others have pointed out our first 12/13 are capable of good things at this level, it's the dross that's left that's the issue and will ultimately be the cause of a disappointing season.

 

[Dodona]

I'm finding myself frustrated by Wilder. I suspect that is because I really expected us to go on a run into the playoffs, when he took over. Expectations are the root of most problems in any relationship.
Lots of teams have changed manager in the hope to hit the bullseye. WBA, Stoke etc. It hasn't really helped. If we do need to rebuild next season on a restricted budget, I honestly think Wilder is the best man for the job. It may need a few seasons before we have another strong go at promotion.

 

[Gin&Juice]

Don’t question our leader.

 

[CornwallBlade]

I was in favour of Wilder leaving last summer. Not shouting and screaming about it, not calling him washed up, etc. Just felt that it was a chance to move the club forward for a number of reasons. So I'm obviously prepared to criticize him.

But I don't really blame him for last night. It's not serious to say we just keep playing our best XI every game, especially with the injuries and suspensions. Yes, I'd prefer to have Seriki and Brooks starting but they need a break. And the squad is unbalanced in other places, too.

The last couple of months have been pretty enjoyable from a football standpoint but the Oxford game being called off, the shameful display in the cup, and the debacle at Charlton have killed the season. I don't think there's any chance we go down but play offs have obviously gone now too. It's a shame.

If I felt the current owners were going to build a modern off the field structure for the club then I'd be in favour of trying a change again this summer. But I doubt it will happen so we're best sticking with Wilder, which I'm ok with. In the medium to long term we need to make some changes or we have very much hit our glass ceiling as a club.

ETA: If you criticize Wilder on this forum, you will get people disagreeing with you. Some of them can't imagine a future without him in charge and that can be annoying, I agree. But people disagreeing with you is not the same as "not being allowed" to say whatever you want. It's a public forum, expect a bit of give and take.

Serious question, can someone explain why the “resting” players are subbed after halftime, coming on to try and get a team who are blowing, and usually behind, a result? Why not go at the opposition full tilt and make changes at halftime?

 

[FTPE]

"Why can't I moan at Wilder"
*continues to make 10th thread doing so.