Kop redevelopment back on?

[Ben_1982]

That's the point, it won't make money. We spent fuck all on the kop and have filled it with 10000 people ever since, plus sold a few pies and pints. We could have spent 20 million, it would still have been filled with 10000 people and a few pie sales. And resulted in lots of extra player sales.

I just don't see the business case, unless the existing banqueting / conference facilities are booked up, which they aren't.

UTB

You the head of conference & banqueting ? Na didn't think so

 

[metalblade]

well thats like saying why have man utd upped to 73000 and Arsenal to 60000
and why has milton keynes built a 30000 seater stadium

we can be an old static third world club or get our infra structure ready for better days ahead

we sold out in the prem, imagine if wed had 40k seats we might have bought the player who scored the one goal that cost us our place

think small and cheap ,,, stay small and cheap

Have a like ................
A perfect example of doing it on the cheap can be found between the kop and the JSS, an abortion of a corner where a lot of the seats are sited behind a partition and are unable to view all the pitch, mind you that might not be a bad thing the way we are playing

 

[Leonardo Green]

"When we get back in the Premiership".......

Exactly! The Premiership hasn't existed for over a decade. Does he still think Carling sponsor it?

 

[alcoblade]

well thats like saying why have man utd upped to 73000 and Arsenal to 60000
and why has milton keynes built a 30000 seater stadium

we can be an old static third world club or get our infra structure ready for better days ahead

we sold out in the prem, imagine if wed had 40k seats we might have bought the player who scored the one goal that cost us our place

think small and cheap ,,, stay small and cheap

It's not. Man Utd and Arse sell out, we don't. Milton keynes is a vanity project that doesn't add up.

But you miss my point. I have no issue with extending the capacity as such. That wasn't your point, which was that we should also knock down the existing stand and shell out billions of tonnes from underneath it. That part simply does not pay for itself, and will need to be funded by lots of player sales. To be fair, you'll be singing our praises in the Conference, but people like metalblade (who liked your post) will be spitting feathers.

UTB

 

[alcoblade]

You the head of conference & banqueting ? Na didn't think so

So they are 100 percent utilsed then, you can confirm?

UTB

 

[Sheffsteel]

Im sure I read somewhere that just to flatten the site on the Kop will cost millions and that before we start building.

Some have said that by building a proper stand we can have loads of restaurants and conference facilities however let's not forget we already have restaurants and conference facilities on 2 sides of the ground already. There's a limited demand for business facilities in Sheffield so no point in paying a load of money for something that will rarely be used.

The Kop was always supposedly a temporary situation when the present roof was put on.

SUFC know they need to remove the pillars, put on a new roof and upgrade the poor concourse facilities.

Business logic says you consider cost and the chances of recouping your investment short term and long term.

It was only last season we sold out all the home tickets against Spurs. We sold out most games (apart from restricted view) many times in the PL.
So just an extra 2 or 3,000 home tickets is a realistic requirement.
Besides with ott segregation our current capacity is 30,500 (tickets sold versus Spurs last year) not the official 32,700. So with an extra 3,500 seats our practical capacity would be 34,000, which is more realistic for a club our size.

We have loads of land on the Shoreham plot doing nothing so may as well build student flats etc and at the same time build the biggest Kop in British football.

Our Kop (when full) already has a good reputation in the media, imagine the site and noise with another 3,500 on it. Surely it can only be a positive.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Im sure I read somewhere that just to flatten the site on the Kop will cost millions and that before we start building.

Some have said that by building a proper stand we can have loads of restaurants and conference facilities however let's not forget we already have restaurants and conference facilities on 2 sides of the ground already. There's a limited demand for business facilities in Sheffield so no point in paying a load of money for something that will rarely be used.

The Kop was always supposedly a temporary situation when the present roof was put on.

SUFC know they need to remove the pillars, put on a new roof and upgrade the poor concourse facilities.

Business logic says you consider cost and the chances of recouping your investment short term and long term.

It was only last season we sold out all the home tickets against Spurs. We sold out most games (apart from restricted view) many times in the PL.
So just an extra 2 or 3,000 home tickets is a realistic requirement.
Besides with ott segregation our current capacity is 30,500 (tickets sold versus Spurs last year) not the official 32,700. So with an extra 3,500 seats our practical capacity would be 34,000, which is more realistic for a club our size.

We have loads of land on the Shoreham plot doing nothing so may as well build student flats etc and at the same time build the biggest Kop in British football.

Our Kop (when full) already has a good reputation in the media, imagine the site and noise with another 3,500 on it. Surely it can only be a positive.

Good post sheff steel I wonder if we would use English steel the price of it is very cheap at present and with the structure being of steel maybe this is a good time to build it

 

[axel smeets]

Im sure I read somewhere that just to flatten the site on the Kop will cost millions and that before we start building.

Some have said that by building a proper stand we can have loads of restaurants and conference facilities however let's not forget we already have restaurants and conference facilities on 2 sides of the ground already. There's a limited demand for business facilities in Sheffield so no point in paying a load of money for something that will rarely be used.

The Kop was always supposedly a temporary situation when the present roof was put on.

SUFC know they need to remove the pillars, put on a new roof and upgrade the poor concourse facilities.

Business logic says you consider cost and the chances of recouping your investment short term and long term.

It was only last season we sold out all the home tickets against Spurs. We sold out most games (apart from restricted view) many times in the PL.
So just an extra 2 or 3,000 home tickets is a realistic requirement.
Besides with ott segregation our current capacity is 30,500 (tickets sold versus Spurs last year) not the official 32,700. So with an extra 3,500 seats our practical capacity would be 34,000, which is more realistic for a club our size.

We have loads of land on the Shoreham plot doing nothing so may as well build student flats etc and at the same time build the biggest Kop in British football.

Our Kop (when full) already has a good reputation in the media, imagine the site and noise with another 3,500 on it. Surely it can only be a positive.

A very good post. I think that the reason for the reduction in our capacity is due to the local safety advisory group, and SYP. There will of course be a number of pigs in positions of power in these organisations, and of course it is a perfect way for them to hit SUFC in the pocket by denying us the use of all seats in the ground, in the event that we have a major cup tie or league game at the Lane.

 

[Pedro Verde]

Good post sheff steel I wonder if we would use English steel the price of it is very cheap at present and with the structure being of steel maybe this is a good time to build it

Chinese steel is cheaper ask the steelworkers in Scunthorpe

 

[Blade56]

If you watched the Salford FC documentary Class of '92 you would have seen fans standing on grass banks to see their team play and Gary Neville telling the builder not to dig the concrete plinth out of the ground cause it was great for standing on to watch the game.

My point is it's about what's going on on the pitch not commercial cock waving vs pigs ground or PL grounds. We are in the 3rd division ffs where we get thousands of pounds in success payments from the FA and TV rights not millions like those above.

We as fans should concentrate our concerns on the teams success and leave a perfectly acceptable ground to the owners.

Bottom line is we need a team to get us out of this piss poor league, you can put an ugly bird in a pretty frock but she's still an ugly bird when you get down to the business.

 

[Jon Bon]

you can put an ugly bird in a pretty frock but she's still an ugly bird when you get down to the business.

Yeah but put her in some sexy 'fuck me' high heeled shoes or boots and you've got a right dirty little raver for the evening. 'Lose the dress - keep the shoes'. That was always my motto.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Like the analogy Blade56 and I see your point.

However if I had a ugly bird and she wore a nice frock id appreciate the effort and superficial improvement for what it was.

Actually the motive behind ground improvement might be much simpler.

MacCabe is a property developer and can't stand the site of empty plots of land doing nothing, so it's probably driving him mad that Shoreham Street isn't being used to potential. Any property developer would be keen to use prime land near the city centre. Remember he only bought Ferencvaros of Hungary because that club was on its knees and the ground came with loads of land on a prime site, loads of potential for flats etc.

He will have done studies and knows that building student flats is guaranteed long term profit. He does still have ambition for SU and is aware there were some shortfalls when last in the PL, so a purpose built media centre is required etc etc.

It may be a case of whilst the builders are in putting up his student flats it makes sense to do the whole site at once including a slight increase in the Kop. The Kop roof was only meant to be temporary and it might be subject to safety checks and getting closer to the danger limits.

Also his ideas are mainly for his personal financial gain, so by improving facilities/ capacity in the Kop it won't seem as self serving preventing criticism.

 

[Ben_1982]

So they are 100 percent utilsed then, you can confirm?

UTB

I can't confirm that like he can't confirm they aren't. I worked at BL for 5 years in that department. The only day we didn't have anything on was Sunday's barring a match/Father's Day. Every other day we had something going on.

 

[wizadry]

I don't give a flying fuck what gets developed, as long as we see improvements on the pitch at the same time. We have two owners so surely this is achievable? Anything that gives us a kick in the right direction is welcome from me, the question is though, will the footballing gods choose which direction that is

 

[MobileBlade]

I just don't see the business case, unless the existing banqueting / conference facilities are booked up, which they aren't.

UTB

They are actually. Well at least all the existing boxes are.

 

[TJB.]

Genuine question: would anyone be happy with just a new roof and facilities but no capacity extension?

If knocking the whole thing down and starting again is out of the question, those at the back of Kop 2.0 are going to be miles away from the action. I sit on the very back of the Kop and I can't imagine being 10 rows or so further back at that angle. I've been up in the Gods at Old Trafford and Wembley and no view can make up for a loss of atmosphere or a lack of feeling close to the game.

I'd be happy just to lose the fucking pillars, if I'm honest.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

http://publicaccess.sheffield.gov.u..._COND-CONSTRUCTION_MANAGEMENT_PLAN-943922.pdf

GMI are on the ball.

 

[wizadry]

I'd be happy just to lose the fucking pillars, if I'm honest.

They'd be making a huge mistake getting rid of the pillars, some fans have been using them to go to sleep on in the last few years. I say put more pillars in

 

[madeinsheffield]

They'd be making a huge mistake getting rid of the pillars, some fans have been using them to go to sleep on in the last few years. I say put more pillars in

They'd have been better fitting pillows for some matches

 

[TJB.]

They'd be making a huge mistake getting rid of the pillars, some fans have been using them to go to sleep on in the last few years. I say put more pillars in

Someone else said extending the capacity will mean 4 seats per person, so those who want to watch the match can do so pillar-free, and you can have a proper lie down if you get bored

 

[BushBlade]

You can do that without knocking he existing structure down.

UTB

Exactly. I'm a genius. I've done some rough calculations and the income from the brasses alone would cover our players' medical bills.

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

http://publicaccess.sheffield.gov.u..._COND-CONSTRUCTION_MANAGEMENT_PLAN-943922.pdf

GMI are on the ball.

Says "document not available"

What is it?

 

[vorpal blade]

a secret

 

[Jon Bon]

http://publicaccess.sheffield.gov.u..._COND-CONSTRUCTION_MANAGEMENT_PLAN-943922.pdf

GMI are on the ball.

Unlike you and your link posting skills.

 

[vorpal blade]

http://publicaccess.sheffield.gov.u...s.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=NXAKITNYFY000

 

[MobileBlade]

Im sure I read somewhere that just to flatten the site on the Kop will cost millions and that before we start building.

Some have said that by building a proper stand we can have loads of restaurants and conference facilities however let's not forget we already have restaurants and conference facilities on 2 sides of the ground already. There's a limited demand for business facilities in Sheffield so no point in paying a load of money for something that will rarely be used.

The Kop was always supposedly a temporary situation when the present roof was put on.

SUFC know they need to remove the pillars, put on a new roof and upgrade the poor concourse facilities.

Business logic says you consider cost and the chances of recouping your investment short term and long term.

It was only last season we sold out all the home tickets against Spurs. We sold out most games (apart from restricted view) many times in the PL.
So just an extra 2 or 3,000 home tickets is a realistic requirement.
Besides with ott segregation our current capacity is 30,500 (tickets sold versus Spurs last year) not the official 32,700. So with an extra 3,500 seats our practical capacity would be 34,000, which is more realistic for a club our size.

We have loads of land on the Shoreham plot doing nothing so may as well build student flats etc and at the same time build the biggest Kop in British football.

Our Kop (when full) already has a good reputation in the media, imagine the site and noise with another 3,500 on it. Surely it can only be a positive.

I was just going to post similar. I read somewhere it wasn't only the cost but also because of what may be under the mounds, we would need to close the whole stadium for a period of up to 12 months. Can't find it for the life of me but will look again when I get chance.

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

I was just going to post similar. I read somewhere it wasn't only the cost but also because of what may be under the mounds, we would need to close the whole stadium for a period of up to 12 months. Can't find it for the life of me but will look again when I get chance.

Struggling to believe the mound is that big a problem. It's not exactly a hill, it's a small bank of soil. Surely over the years many many projects in the construction industry around Sheffield's industrial areas have dealt with far bigger problems than a small bank of soil?
What's it going to take, a couple of diggers?
Even if the soil has some sort of industrial contamination I can't imagine they'd need to close the stadium for a year.

 

[Jon Bon]

Struggling to believe the mound is that big a problem. It's not exactly a hill, it's a small bank of soil.

YOU'RE WASTING YOUR TIME..!!!

 

[TJB.]

Struggling to believe the mound is that big a problem. It's not exactly a hill, it's a small bank of soil. Surely over the years many many projects in the construction industry around Sheffield's industrial areas have dealt with far bigger problems than a small bank of soil?
What's it going to take, a couple of diggers?
Even if the soil has some sort of industrial contamination I can't imagine they'd need to close the stadium for a year.

I'm sure I recall somebody saying the powers that be are concerned about finding unexploded WWII bombs under there which is why they're reluctant to go digging around? Summet like that?

I'd have thought that might be the kind of thing they'd like to, you know...remove.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I was just going to post similar. I read somewhere it wasn't only the cost but also because of what may be under the mounds, we would need to close the whole stadium for a period of up to 12 months. Can't find it for the life of me but will look again when I get chance.

Woolhouse?