CONFIRMED Iliman Ndiaye to Marseille

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jt64 said:
First point is true, second point is in no way the case
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You don't think he will get a massive signing on fee if he's on a free or he won't get higher wages elsewhere ? The only thing thst details their stance is a really
bad injury
 

JonnyD said:
He’s 100% not a blade next summer, regardless of what happens. Best case would be he plays this year for us, gives us our best chance of survival, but we protect at least some of his value

1 year extension, make him top earner (cost to blades of £2-3m?)
c£10-15m relegation release clause, or perhaps a similar clause which becomes active next summer

Not sure it’s realistic, but feel it would be pragmatic solution. That gives all parties something.

I’d take that if I were him…
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You wouldn't because a good part of that £10m to £15m release clause is paid out of his signing on bonus with his new club.
 
Maidenhead said:
You wouldn't because a good part of that £10m to £15m release clause is paid out of his signing on bonus with his new club.
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Exactly. Wait till the end of the season and Illiman is immediately a multi, multi millionaire as he banks the signing on fee. He then has a massive weekly income for the next 3 years
 
FriethBlade said:
You don't think he will get a massive signing on fee if he's on a free or he won't get higher wages elsewhere ?
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I think he would also get a "massive" signing on fee if he extends his contract with us, he will not get higher wages elsewhere in 23/24, and he will not get significantly higher wages in 24/25 onwards at a new club if he is sold at a moderate release clause.
 
FriethBlade said:
Exactly. Wait till the end of the season and Illiman is immediately a multi, multi millionaire as he banks the signing on fee. He then has a massive weekly income for the next 3 years
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I’m saying the extension is for 12 months ie end of 2023/2024 season.

I think You’re over simplifying things

I offer you option 1

100% chance of 5million (60k per week 2mill to make him sign) now. And a say 15.6m 3 year contract on 100k p/w and 2million signing on fee.

100% chance of making £22.6m

Or option 2

1% chance of making nothing.
99% chance of 250k for this year 23.4m Over a three year contract on 150k per week and 4m signing on fee.

27.4m or zero.

You give up 4.8m (and we can reduce that gap by going higher values on our wages) but you protect yourself from earning basically nothing or substantially less if you underperformed or got injured. It’s not a completely unreasonable proposition from his POV. Or ours if we can receive a fee for him. We are making him a multi millionaire tomorrow

It’s not like clubs will baulk at paying a nominal fee for him. 10/15m or so is it. That’s still a bargain considering his value and ability.
 
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jt64 said:
I think he would also get a "massive" signing on fee if he extends his contract with us, he will not get higher wages elsewhere in 23/24, and he will not get significantly higher wages in 24/25 onwards at a new club if he is sold at a moderate release clause.
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Do you seriously think his signing on fee- with us will be anywhere near what it will be elsewhere? It seems we can't afford 10m for a player never mind a signing on fee. He will get significantly higher wages elsewhere in 24/25.onwards. The average premier league salary is 60k a week, with an average season next year he will earn more than that wherever he goes.

I respect everyone's right to their opinion so we may as well leave it there as we aren't going to convince each other that 'we' are right but I'd bet you as much money as u like he's not playing for us next season ?
 
Bladeinleeds said:
I’m saying the extension is for 12 months ie end of 2023/2024 season.

I think You’re over simplifying things

I offer you option 1

100% chance of 5million (60k per week 2mill to make him sign) now. And a say 15.6m 3 year contract on 100k p/w and 2million signing on fee.

100% chance of making £22.6m

Or option 2

1% chance of making nothing.
99% chance of 250k for this year 23.4m Over a three year contract on 150k per week and 4m signing on fee.

27.4m or zero.

You give up 4.8m (and we can reduce that gap by going higher values on our wages) but you protect yourself from earning basically nothing or substantially less if you underperformed or got injured. It’s not a completely unreasonable proposition from his POV. Or ours if we can receive a fee for him. We are making him a multi millionaire tomorrow

It’s not like clubs will baulk at paying a nominal fee for him. 10/15m or so is it. That’s still a bargain considering his value and ability.
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This doesn’t work though really. We’d save about 5mil if you goes for 10mil (which we’ll do anyway as we won’t be offering new terms) and it makes the future deal harder as there’s no a fee, a fee which will ultimately come out of Ndiaye’s pocket.
 
FriethBlade said:
Do you seriously think his signing on fee- with us will be anywhere near what it will be elsewhere? It seems we can't afford 10m for a player never mind a signing on fee. He will get significantly higher wages elsewhere in 24/25.onwards. The average premier league salary is 60k a week, with an average season next year he will earn more than that wherever he goes.

I respect everyone's right to their opinion so we may as well leave it there as we aren't going to convince each other that 'we' are right but I'd bet you as much money as u like he's not playing for us next season ?
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No one is saying he has to play here next season. There’s a release clause if he excels he’ll have his pick of clubs.

It’s about protecting an asset for us (spend 5mill or so this year to get say 10-15m or so back)

And for illiman

He trades an amount of wages / freedom and signing on fee to become an instant multi millionaire and protects himself from harm if he gets injured or has a poor season.

He doesn’t have to sign and ultimately might not but it’s not completely unreasonable.

If he doesn’t get the offers he wants he could always go for free at the end of 2024 - it’s not like we’d be signing him down to a 5 year contact or anything.

It’s about making it win win for all sides
 
CoatesyBlade said:
This doesn’t work though really. We’d save about 5mil if you goes for 10mil (which we’ll do anyway as we won’t be offering new terms) and it makes the future deal harder as there’s no a fee, a fee which will ultimately come out of Ndiaye’s pocket.
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Ndaiye trades something for delaying his free agency a year (if that’s ultimately what he wants) z he can push for a large signing on fee by telling clubs he’s really a 40m value player they are getting for 15m and what he’d get if he waited to go for free 12 months later

He protects himself from injury and becomes a multi millionaire tomorrrow.

We protect ourselves by still potentially being able to claim a fee call it 15m so we gain 10m once you exclude his wages.

If Ndaiye is about squeezing every penny out of life then fine he won’t sign but there pragmatic reasons for protecting yourself by trading some flexibility is all I’m saying
 
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Bladeinleeds said:
Ndaiye trades something for delaying his free agency a year.

He protects himself from injury and becomes a multi millionaire tomorrrow
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Yeah but it’s all fantasy. We don’t make anything out of those terms. So it won’t happen.
As far as injury is concerned, you’d like to think he already has insurance. If something freak should happen
 
FriethBlade said:
Do you seriously think his signing on fee- with us will be anywhere near what it will be elsewhere? It seems we can't afford 10m for a player never mind a signing on fee. He will get significantly higher wages elsewhere in 24/25.onwards. The average premier league salary is 60k a week, with an average season next year he will earn more than that wherever he goes.

I respect everyone's right to their opinion so we may as well leave it there as we aren't going to convince each other that 'we' are right but I'd bet you as much money as u like he's not playing for us next season ?
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24/25? No, I don't think he will be playing for us next season either. It's just a case on whether he wants to play this season out on shit wages or not
 
CoatesyBlade said:
Yeah but it’s all fantasy. We don’t make anything out of those terms. So it won’t happen.
As far as injury is concerned, you’d like to think he already has insurance. If something freak should happen
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Yes we do - if we want to keep our options on selling him open rather than being resigned to lose him for free.

He’d be insured at whatever value he’s paid at now (5k per week e.g) not 60k or so.
 
What if I told you I've just travelled forward (then back) in time. Iliman wins the Europa League for us, lifting the trophy aloft with Captain George Baldock. That year was 2027. I don't know the build up to that event, because the internet has rightly been banned by 2027.

What if told you that?
 
Bladeinleeds said:
Yes we do - if we want to keep our options on selling him open rather than being resigned to lose him for free.

He’d be insured at whatever value he’s paid at now (5k per week e.g) not 60k or so.
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Yes but the examples you’ve given suggest we’d break even. So we break even and Ndiaye loses out.
So the only way we can make money is if we put a larger buy out clause in there
 

brownblade said:
What if I told you I've just travelled forward (then back) in time. Iliman wins the Europa League for us, lifting the trophy aloft with Captain George Baldock. That year was 2027. I don't know the build up to that event, because the internet has rightly been banned by 2027.

What if told you that?
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I'd have "Europa Leauge Winners 2027- Dem Blades" tattoed on my thigh and everyone would be like "wtf you got that for?" It'd reach a banter page on Twitter and I'd be ridiculed for a week. Then I'd wait a few year till we've won it and mention the post on twitter of the tattoo and the laughing emojis with "this u? 👀"
 
CoatesyBlade said:
Yes but the examples you’ve given suggest we’d break even. So we break even and Ndiaye loses out.
So the only way we can make money is if we put a larger buy out clause in there
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Ndaiye is giving up his freedom of movement for a year in exchange for an instant pay rise .

This would allow us greater flexibility and ability to generate a fee for him. We pay him an additional 5 mill for the year. This allows us to sell him for 15mil next summer. Rather than lose him for nothing. We make 10million by having him under control for an extra 12 months.

Ndaiye loses some flexibility but becomes an instant millionaire and protects against a lose of form or injury.. his position is he can’t take The absolute best offer he would have received on The free market or has to wait an extra 12 months for that. But we get him for another year or 2 if he decides he wants to stay.

I’d seriously consider the offer if it was me. It’s not like he’s been sat on a lucrative contract to date. It’s win win to me - he’s in the driving seat in negotiations - he could negotiate lower clauses for Marseille than other teams if he really wanted to.
 
Bladeinleeds said:
He scored 2 In his league debut the following season like 2 months later and he was brilliant pretty much consistently.

He didn’t have any stamina so could t have started/finished every game to be fair but would have been great option off the bench. We had no creativity - he could hardly be worse than the crap performers we had starting during the relegation season. No one outside of the back line was operating above a 4/5 out of ten.

I just don’t think wilder fancied him and probably wanted to send a message about earning contracts like he did with Duffy. Feels like a case of cutting you nose off to spite your face to me though.
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With respect I don't agree !!
 
Bladeinleeds said:
Ndaiye is giving up his freedom of movement for a year in exchange for an instant pay rise .

This would allow us greater flexibility and ability to generate a fee for him. We pay him an additional 5 mill for the year. This allows us to sell him for 15mil next summer. Rather than lose him for nothing. We make 10million by having him under control for an extra 12 months.

Ndaiye loses some flexibility but becomes an instant millionaire and protects against a lose of form or injury.. his position is he can’t take The absolute best offer he would have received on The free market or has to wait an extra 12 months for that. But we get him for another year or 2 if he decides he wants to stay.

I’d seriously consider the offer if it was me. It’s not like he’s been sat on a lucrative contract to date. It’s win win to me - he’s in the driving seat in negotiations - he could negotiate lower clauses for Marseille than other teams if he really wanted to.
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Well let’s see what happens. What will be will be. I’m personally not getting my hopes up about this one though about this one.
 
Bladeinleeds
I get it, there is definitely a way this can work but 2 further points need to be acknowledged;
his agent needs his cut to make this happen (it's just the way of the football world).
It should prevent a season of 90% performances (see Lundstram) a win/win so is worth allocating the extra funds to.
Apparently though a contract has been 'on the table' for 18 months so anybody saying this can't work has an advantage knowing that.
I wouldn't give up on signing him up though there has to be a way this can be tweaked through.
 
Wish this footballer insider site would just do one!

It's one thing working to a limited budget, having done nothing in the last January window.

It's quite another to be having to put up with this negative propaganda campaign thet suggests having achieved promotion our first move is going to be to sell for cur price deals two of our vest players.
 
If ndyieei goes to Everton I’m done with football.
Everton don’t do anything but take up a place in the Prem. They’ve even struggled to stay in it.

Would make no sense for Illman to go there. He deserves a bigger better club.
 
finlaytheblade said:
It's an ironic situation!
He disappeared from the picture after the Leicester game ( 0-5) reason being he wouldn't sign a new contract.Wilder had him training with the 1st team so his ability was noted within the club.
I guess the owners thought holding him back would change his mind and sign it! he didnt ! that changed at the time the Serb came in .I guess he and Hecki managed to get him signed up probably with better terms.I think Hecki is key to this and his relationship with illman crucial.
His representatives new as the Blades new he was an outstanding talent but needed a platform to show what he was about.
Obviously they came to some agreement as we are where we are now .
The boots on the other foot now and illman is in the driving seat.
Hopefully he does appreciate the Blades role in his development (Hecki )
and sticks with us for a season or two . If he continues to progress he will have clubs scrambling to sign him and he and his handlers will have full control.
He's the most exciting player we've had since TC
different players with different skills ! A bums on seats player so exciting to watch.
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Before we all go overboard with how good he is let’s see how he does in the PL.
There is no doubt he is talented and exciting but in any sport you can only properly judge a player when he or she comes up against the best.
 
Illilan is the only player that could make a big difference, need to sell Berge and Egan if instant cash is a issue.
 

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