CONFIRMED Iliman Ndiaye to Marseille

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JonnyD said:
He’s 100% not a blade next summer, regardless of what happens. Best case would be he plays this year for us, gives us our best chance of survival, but we protect at least some of his value

1 year extension, make him top earner (cost to blades of £2-3m?)
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Imagine thinking 40k a week would get an extension done. Agree with what you say, but you don't lead off with an insulting offer if you want the player to take you seriously
 

gaffablade said:
A new contract putting him as the top earner, with £30m release clause should we get relegated.
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I'd do this but maybe a variable release clause that kicks in next summer. E.g. £10m for Marseille, £15m to a Prem team. Because that's affordable and won't put anyone off that wants him. But we're not completely out of pocket.

But who knows, logic won't necessarily apply.

Ideally he signs a normal contract because he loves it here... Just wants to go to Marseille in 5yrs....
 
I think he and his reps have made their intentions clear without actually stating them and, as such, would I'm sure reject all offers suggested by all the CEOs in making on here, even if he could be persuaded to discuss extending his terms.

He is likely to earn way in excess of even the highest suggested offer if he performs well this season and becomes a free agent next summer.

The only suggestion I'd make to his is to not make Marseille the only horse in the race and retain competitive tension to maximise their offer. That said, I'd be surprised if talks have not already happened with his rep and figures discussed.
 
Apparently he’s on £4k a week with a probable 50% promotion rise so £6k a week. If he doesn’t sign a new contract the risk is he gets a bad injury like JOC and never plays again and retires skint. If I was him I’d be looking at a 10 x pay rise and a release clause if relegated of a reasonable amount to both parties.
 
Wow, we’ve put our legal books away and gone into contractual negotiation advice to both club and player.
 
If the rumour that Illy’s reps are refusing to even engage in negotiations is true I do find that odd.

As has been suggested by others there are some pretty good “win win” options that mean more money right now (for Ndiaye and agent) that’s not completely incomparable with what he’ll get as a free agent, without locking him in long term.

Commercially it is rarely in your best interests to completely ignore an interested party… he should at least listen to what the club have to say. Could be a negotiation tactic by his reps - if they’re reluctantly coming to the table the Club will be nervous about lowballing or pissing him off.
 
CoatesyBlade said:
A lot of folk saying “if I was him” in the comments.
There’s no deal we can offer him that would be more beneficial for him personally. If he’s a free agent next summer he can move to wherever he wants for whatever he wants. It’s that simple.
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It is that simple on the assumption that he does not receive a bad injury.
 
I think you’d have to insert a release clause in any deal relegation or not. He’s probably only got two big contracts in football left and he’s not made much money thus far in footballing terms so his reps will be telling him he needs to maximise his earnings over the course of his next two contracts. Given how good we all think he is I don’t think United can pay him that kind of money to stay even if we stay up unless a benevolent billionaire appears which looks very unlikely at this stage.
 
bertieblade said:
It is that simple on the assumption that he does not receive a bad injury.
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It's an ironic situation!
He disappeared from the picture after the Leicester game ( 0-5) reason being he wouldn't sign a new contract.Wilder had him training with the 1st team so his ability was noted within the club.
I guess the owners thought holding him back would change his mind and sign it! he didnt ! that changed at the time the Serb came in .I guess he and Hecki managed to get him signed up probably with better terms.I think Hecki is key to this and his relationship with illman crucial.
His representatives new as the Blades new he was an outstanding talent but needed a platform to show what he was about.
Obviously they came to some agreement as we are where we are now .
The boots on the other foot now and illman is in the driving seat.
Hopefully he does appreciate the Blades role in his development (Hecki )
and sticks with us for a season or two . If he continues to progress he will have clubs scrambling to sign him and he and his handlers will have full control.
He's the most exciting player we've had since TC
different players with different skills ! A bums on seats player so exciting to watch.
 
CoatesyBlade said:
A lot of folk saying “if I was him” in the comments.
There’s no deal we can offer him that would be more beneficial for him personally. If he’s a free agent next summer he can move to wherever he wants for whatever he wants. It’s that simple.
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Not necessarily, there's his wages this season. If he gets a big rise now and his options for the future are still open, that can be a good reason to sign.
Nobody knows how he will perform in the Prem and he won't stand out as much as he did last season. So, it's not clear cut.
He's valuable no doubt and we need to offer him a proper wage based on what he would be earning else.
 
CoatesyBlade said:
A lot of folk saying “if I was him” in the comments.
There’s no deal we can offer him that would be more beneficial for him personally. If he’s a free agent next summer he can move to wherever he wants for whatever he wants. It’s that simple.
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Therein lies the problem we have this season.
The same applies to Berge, Baldock, Egan, McBurnie, Norwood and possibly Foderingham, RND, Bogle and Lowe... and we don't seem to have the resources to resolve the situation.
 
CoatesyBlade said:
A lot of folk saying “if I was him” in the comments.
There’s no deal we can offer him that would be more beneficial for him personally. If he’s a free agent next summer he can move to wherever he wants for whatever he wants. It’s that simple.
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Maybe. However

Yogi said:
I think you’d have to insert a release clause in any deal relegation or not.
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If such a release clause is not extortionate and doesn't price out any serious contender for his signature, he is in the exact same situation except having been paid in 23/24. SUFC would have to accept any offer that comes in which hits the clause
 
Ranmoorblade said:
Apparently he’s on £4k a week with a probable 50% promotion rise so £6k a week. If he doesn’t sign a new contract the risk is he gets a bad injury like JOC and never plays again and retires skint. If I was him I’d be looking at a 10 x pay rise and a release clause if relegated of a reasonable amount to both parties.
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You think N'diaye is on 4k or even 6k a week?

Whilst I don't think he's the highest paid member of the squad and deffo arguably should be now given his trajectory. It will be more than that.
 

CoatesyBlade said:
A lot of folk saying “if I was him” in the comments.
There’s no deal we can offer him that would be more beneficial for him personally. If he’s a free agent next summer he can move to wherever he wants for whatever he wants. It’s that simple.
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This

The only deal which he'd sign would be an I crease in wages to the end of the season.

Even signing for an extra year with a release clause as low as £10 million potentially put him at a disadvantage.

Those wanting bigger release clauses simply don't grasp the situation from his point of view.

If he has a bad injury it would be the only downside for him but unless it's a career ending one I don't see him not getting another contract. I'm not sure how insurance works in that scenario.
 
robbiez666 said:
This

The only deal which he'd sign would be an I crease in wages to the end of the season.

Even signing for an extra year with a release clause as low as £10 million potentially put him at a disadvantage.

Those wanting bigger release clauses simply don't grasp the situation from his point of view.

If he has a bad injury it would be the only downside for him but unless it's a career ending one I don't see him not getting another contract. I'm not sure how insurance works in that scenario.
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You're right. But there's still scope to debate it.

For example we don't know Iliman's feelings on the matter.

A big release clause only benefits United, but there's a middle and lower ground available. Thousands of variations on a contract offer available.

We pretty much just know what Hecky said mid-season. Since then we've got promoted and got big TV money incoming.

Insurance would not pay him anything beyond his remaining contract. He'd have to get something very expensive to cover him beyond, I would imagine - an immediate pay rise would allow him to do that probably. 😉
 
finlaytheblade said:
It's an ironic situation!
He disappeared from the picture after the Leicester game ( 0-5) reason being he wouldn't sign a new contract.Wilder had him training with the 1st team so his ability was noted within the club.
I guess the owners thought holding him back would change his mind and sign it! he didnt ! that changed at the time the Serb came in .I guess he and Hecki managed to get him signed up probably with better terms.I think Hecki is key to this and his relationship with illman crucial.
His representatives new as the Blades new he was an outstanding talent but needed a platform to show what he was about.
Obviously they came to some agreement as we are where we are now .
The boots on the other foot now and illman is in the driving seat.
Hopefully he does appreciate the Blades role in his development (Hecki )
and sticks with us for a season or two . If he continues to progress he will have clubs scrambling to sign him and he and his handlers will have full control.
He's the most exciting player we've had since TC
different players with different skills ! A bums on seats player so exciting to watch.
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Disagree with this…

Imo Ndaiye signed as soon as it looked like he had a sniff of first team football. Wilder had no intention of playing him (doesn’t reallly play young players unless his hands are forced at the best of times). And he certainly wouldn’t appreciate someone trying to push for a better contract, just look at his treatment of Duffy on promotion.

He signed as soon as a pathway to the first team was clear under Slav and never looked back. So it didn’t sound like money was the only motivator.

He might lose out overall by signing a contract now, but we can minimise this with a signing on fee and wage rise, release clause etc But it does offer him some financial protection in terms of a JOC type situation or even one where injuries hamper him this season. It’s certainly one I’d consider : 12 month extension at say 50/60k p/w and a signing on fee. He could net himself c6-10m doing that and protect himself even if he doesn’t quite get the ‘best’ next contract.
 
Leeds we won't pay him 60 k a week without tying him down wirh a contract and even if we did it would come with a relegation clause inserted.
As many have pointed out when he runs down his contract he is looking at multiple millions in a signing on fee and wages way in excess of what we can afford. A career ending injury is the only thing that derails this being the right finacial decision for Illi

Additionally his agent has almost certainly fallen out with the club over the previous contract negotiations and the fact he is one of our lowest paid players. So his 'trusted advisor' will be in his ear all season long
 
FriethBlade said:
Leeds we won't pay him 60 k a week without tying him down wirh a contract and even if we did it would come with a relegation clause inserted.
As many have pointed out when he runs down his contract he is looking at multiple millions in a signing on fee and wages way in excess of what we can afford. A career ending injury is the only thing that derails this being the right finacial decision for Illi

Additionally his agent has almost certainly fallen out with the club over the previous contract negotiations and the fact he is one of our lowest paid players. So his 'trusted advisor' will be in his ear all season long
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Why wouldn’t we?

It’s simply an educated gamble on our side too.

Say we pay him a 2mil signing on fee and 3 million in wages this year. So that he’s happy to reduce his options ‘slightly’ next year. He stands to make 5mil this year instead of say 250k or whatever he’s on now. This gives him cash and acts to protect him from bad form / injury.

Say we insert a release clause which is for 15m if relegated or 20/25m if we stay up (or whatever he wants)z We stand to make 10m from this arrangement in a transfer fee instead of zero when he leaves for free. A gamble worth taking

To me it’s win win. He might make slightly less than in a pure free market position but if someone buys him and he’s already on 60k a week it’s not like he wouldn’t end up on 100k plus in the end with a signing on fee. He’s just protecting himself and we are ensuring we get a fee, however small. He’s gone in 12 months anyway unless something insane happens like we qualify for Europe, so it’s sensible to try and protect that asset in whatever way we can even if it’s only a short term arrangement.

It’s game theory on both sides.

Ndaiye (injury) and blades (zero transfer fee) could be left with zero. OR we could both make 5m plus extra over the next 12 months. It might be unlikely Ndaiye gets left with nothing but I’m sure JoC thought it unlikely he’d never play again at 25/6 or whatever it was 3 years ago.
 
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CaptainMorgans said:
Why would we pay an academy graduate, with little-to-no first team experience, much more than 200k a year?
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But we knew at the time he wasn't just an academy graduate, (not me, the coaching staff) that he had big potential.
If memory serves me correct Hecky said he fought to stop him from pushing to leave because he felt he was ready for first team footy.

Which was entirely correct given he signed the new deal and less than 10 days later made his debut vs P'Boro and scored 2 goals and set up another.

I'm not suggesting he's on loads, far from it but would expect it to be more like 10k-15k.

Right now if we can get him and his agents round the table I'd be offering him 50k or whatever best we can but with a relegation wage reduction.
But also a slight increase or incentives if he was to stay and we stay up.
But it would also seem he wants his options open too so we would have to concede a lower than wanted minimum fee release clause.
And an even lower one if we were relegated.
Because as it stands he's going for nowt next season.

I'd approach Sander in a similar way too, but his wage will already be decent I'd imagine.
 
Bladeinleeds said:
Disagree with this…

Imo Ndaiye signed as soon as it looked like he had a sniff of first team football. Wilder had no intention of playing him (doesn’t reallly play young players unless his hands are forced at the best of times). And he certainly wouldn’t appreciate someone trying to push for a better contract, just look at his treatment of Duffy on promotion.

He signed as soon as a pathway to the first team was clear under Slav and never looked back. So it didn’t sound like money was the only motivator.

He might lose out overall by signing a contract now, but we can minimise this with a signing on fee and wage rise, release clause etc But it does offer him some financial protection in terms of a JOC type situation or even one where injuries hamper him this season. It’s certainly one I’d consider : 12 month extension at say 50/60k p/w and a signing on fee. He could net himself c6-10m doing that and protect himself even if he doesn’t quite get the ‘best’ next contract.
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Ok !
I also disagree with your opinion.
How do you know Wilder wouldn't have played him he wasn't ready for 1st team football in our relegation season.
His talent was obviouse !
His handlers knew they had a talent and played hardball.
Wilder had him training with the squad as he could see we had possibly a player there given time to develop,illman is now ( or His agents ) in control of his future so I would say he is the winner! Of course we are as well! No doubt we wouldn't have gone up without him.
Let's just hope we can get him signed up on another contract ! It would be great to watch him develop in the next few years.
 
finlaytheblade said:
Ok !
I also disagree with your opinion.
How do you know Wilder wouldn't have played him he wasn't ready for 1st team football in our relegation season.
His talent was obviouse !
His handlers knew they had a talent and played hardball.
Wilder had him training with the squad as he could see we had possibly a player there given time to develop,illman is now ( or His agents ) in control of his future so I would say he is the winner! Of course we are as well! No doubt we wouldn't have gone up without him.
Let's just hope we can get him signed up on another contract ! It would be great to watch him develop in the next few years.
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There are quotes going round about how wilder knew ‘Ndaiye was the biggest talent at the club’. Should have been on wilder to get him into the side which had zero creativity and couldn’t buy a goal.

Wilder had him, he could have played him. Or at least shown him a first team pathway, and I reckon he would have signed then like he did for Slav.

It’s not logical to say he wasn’t ready for first team football In the PL. he scored 2 on his league debut like 2 months later and was brilliant from the get go. We should have had him in and around the squad.

Probably a nonsense arguing this to be fair cos as you say it’s worked out in the end and we have seen the best out of him. If he’d come in and done well in the PL we would probably have had to have sold him 2 years ago
 
Bladeinleeds said:
There are quotes going round about how wilder knew ‘Ndaiye was the biggest talent at the club’. Should have been on wilder to get him into the side which had zero creativity and couldn’t buy a goal.

Wilder had him, he could have played him. Or at least shown him a first team pathway, and I reckon he would have signed then like he did for Slav.

It’s not logical to say he wasn’t ready for first team football In the PL. he scored 2 on his league debut like 2 months later and was brilliant from the get go. We should have had him in and around the squad.

Probably a nonsense arguing this to be fair cos as you say it’s worked out in the end and we have seen the best out of him. If he’d come in and done well in the PL we would probably have had to have sold him 2 years ago
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Ok!
Still think he was nowhere near ready! Do you really think the prince and Wilder would have held him back if he would have made a big difference! He had no 1st team e xperience what so ever ! Only one or two cameos at non league level.
It could have destroyed his future in the game ! Pushed through too early and all that.
 
finlaytheblade said:
Ok!
Still think he was nowhere near ready! Do you really think the prince and Wilder would have held him back if he would have made a big difference! He had no 1st team e xperience what so ever ! Only one or two cameos at non league level.
It could have destroyed his future in the game ! Pushed through too early and all that.
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He scored 2 In his league debut the following season like 2 months later and he was brilliant pretty much consistently.

He didn’t have any stamina so could t have started/finished every game to be fair but would have been great option off the bench. We had no creativity - he could hardly be worse than the crap performers we had starting during the relegation season. No one outside of the back line was operating above a 4/5 out of ten.

I just don’t think wilder fancied him and probably wanted to send a message about earning contracts like he did with Duffy. Feels like a case of cutting you nose off to spite your face to me though.
 
jt64 said:
Nope, still clueless as to what you're getting at
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I cant give u a higher IQ so I will stop there...oh go on then....we will not give him 60k a week without tying him down to a new contract....he and his agent won't sign a new contract because they know he will get a massive signing on fee elsewhere and much higher wages...there you are ive repeated what i said earlier, if u dont understand it seems u really r clueless
 

FriethBlade said:
I cant give u a higher IQ so I will stop there...oh go on then....we will not give him 60k a week without tying him down to a new contract....he and his agent won't sign a new contract because they know he will get a massive signing on fee elsewhere and much higher wages...there you are ive repeated what i said earlier, if u dont understand it seems u really r clueless
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First point is true, second point is in no way the case
 
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