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pommpey said:
But in the lead up to this we looked distinctly clueless and tonight looked distinctly even more clueless. That Yanks were basically 'Pulisic' and a supporting cast.

We needed to play in their fucking half. Sterling, Mount and Trippier were very, very sub par and Southgate could have changed things significantly on sixty and shitcanned them to get at their backline

That's why he's a wanker

pommpey
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I hear you pomps but he also threw on rashford and grealish who on a good day should have been more than good enough to open up a bang average team.
Heck Sterling, saka and mount should have been good enough to do it as well.
He’s not a wanker, he’s just a very naughty boy 😂.
 
VictoryBlade said:
Southgate is ok as a third division manager, he has not track history or any guts!
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With respect, he's done very well as England manager.
Created a great club-like environment. The players love him. Got to a semi final of a World Cup and was within a whisker of winning the Euros.
I'm not overlooking his shortcomings, I am very aware of them. Just think your summary is way off.
 
blade67 said:
Do you think I'm being too harsh or too kind on Hecky? I know people who think both
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As far as football matters are concerned, I think people always look for someone or something to blame. Its useful to have a manager to aim at?
In my book, PH has done ok.While I may not always agree with his starting X1, or some of his substitutions.I am obliged to accept that his decisions are probably better informed than mine.
I think we would all like to know his opinion on the injury problem, but I am content that he refuses to fuel speculation with more speculation from him, until he is more convinced of the cause. This makes any points offered by him a bit vague, but at least he is trying to avoid further speculation, until a definitive answer is available.
Are you being too harsh on Hecky? Divided opinion and the lack of definitive proof of injury causes provides your answer IMO only of course.

That's just me sitting on the fence, with a complicated answer, instead of just saying 'wait and see'. :)
 
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robbiez666 said:
Of course, any half decent manager with the likes of John Stones, Conor Coady, Harry Maguire, Luke Shaw, Eric Dier and Ben White should be winning every World Cup and European Championships.
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Most of those players you names were in the squad at Wembley last year when we lost to Italy. At 1-0 up early in the game England did almost nothing to push and press for a second goal. You have to think that those tactics came from the manager. If they didn’t then the captain should have been directing things on the pitch. Either way we were far too negative with the lead.
 
Rufus Smalls said:
Most of those players you names were in the squad at Wembley last year when we lost to Italy. At 1-0 up early in the game England did almost nothing to push and press for a second goal. You have to think that those tactics came from the manager. If they didn’t then the captain should have been directing things on the pitch. Either way we were far too negative with the lead.
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Do you not think those players are crap, on a world stage? And yet they got within sniffing distance of winning a European final and you slag off the manager who got us there?

I can guarantee that had Southgate 'been brave' and we'd been hit on the break twice and lost 2:1 then everyone would be slagging him off for not protecting a lead.
 
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Tarqs said:
Got to a semi final beating panama tunisia and Sweden.... losing to Belgium twice and Croatia...

Yep, lost as many games in the tournament as they won 🤣
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Get rid
 
Ok get rid of him and replace him with who ?
I mean who would even want the fucking job ?
Look at the stick this guy gets for qualifying to the second stage of the tournament as englands most succesful manager in sixty years
 



Frank the tank said:
Ok get rid of him and replace him with who ?
I mean who would even want the fucking job ?
Look at the stick this guy gets for qualifying to the second stage of the tournament as englands most succesful manager in sixty years
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Sean Dyche. The answer to any managerial question.
 
Mr Rooney - writing in today's Sunday Times ( yeah alright )- says Foden is our best player and should start against Wales. I've nothing against that statement, its worth giving him the chance. I think we should recall Walker, rest Kane for the play-offs and play Wilson.
Southgate may be a nice guy but he has to be more receptive to making changes.
 
Big Hitter said:
Mr Rooney - writing in today's Sunday Times ( yeah alright )- says Foden is our best player and should start against Wales. I've nothing against that statement, its worth giving him the chance. I think we should recall Walker, rest Kane for the play-offs and play Wilson.
Southgate may be a nice guy but he has to be more receptive to making changes.
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Everyone was saying the same about grealish at tge last tournament and maddison before this one

Whoever doesnt play is gazza and the manager is alwaya wrong
 
Big Hitter said:
Mr Rooney - writing in today's Sunday Times ( yeah alright )- says Foden is our best player and should start against Wales. I've nothing against that statement, its worth giving him the chance. I think we should recall Walker, rest Kane for the play-offs and play Wilson.
Southgate may be a nice guy but he has to be more receptive to making changes.
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He’s done well but perhaps isn’t a pro active coach (just picked that phrase up from the Cro v Can commentary)
 
robbiez666 said:
Do you not think those players are crap, on a world stage? And yet they got within sniffing distance of winning a European final and you slag off the manager who got us there?

I can guarantee that had Southgate 'been brave' and we'd been hit on the break twice and lost 2:1 then everyone would be slagging him off for not protecting a lead.
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Re-read my post, I haven’t slagged off the manager.

All I suggested was that he wasn’t positive enough with a lead, especially as we went in front only after a few minutes. Had it been the 80th minute then definitely protect the lead, no argument.
 
pommpey said:
But in the lead up to this we looked distinctly clueless and tonight looked distinctly even more clueless. That Yanks were basically 'Pulisic' and a supporting cast.















We needed to play in their fucking half. Sterling, Mount and Trippier were very, very sub par and Southgate could have changed things significantly on sixty and shitcanned them to get at their backline















That's why he's a wanker







pommpey



















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pommpey said:
Now you are pursuing me with a vendetta.

I feel at ease to call Southgate a wanker much in the same vein that people on here call Neil Warnock, Barry Bannon, Jack Grealish, Jay McEverley and countless others more insulting terms. They aren't part of the discourse and likely won't be. And, If I call Southgate a wanker and he is part of the conversation I feel he will be well within his right to report me. That's how it works.

Now you are making this what it shouldn't be. Heed my request - leave me alone and stop abusing me. Discuss football with me and disagree with me but pack it in with the ad hominem. This thread - your thread - is about tonight's game, not me. You'll find - as do I - people don't share your point of view. Get over it.

Southgate - to me - is a wanker. I have explained why.

pommpey
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Gotta agree with Pomps here, anybody who misses a penalty in a euro semi then goes on to make money out of it by doing a stupid f-ing advert with a bag over his head for a pizza company is a wanker.
 
Berkshire Blade said:
I find it bizarre people completely ignore the easy runs we had in draws. Any time we play anyone half decent we struggle. The Italian side we couldn't beat in the final didn't even make the world cup so it's not like it was a great side either.
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And yet that Italian side still managed to get further than every other team. Mainly because their defence was far better than everyone else’s.
 
LJBlade said:
And yet that Italian side still managed to get further than every other team. Mainly because their defence was far better than everyone else’s.
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How they getting on in the world cup again? Hardly a great side. There for the taking. His lack of attacking intent blew a golden opportunity.
 
Berkshire Blade said:
How they getting on in the world cup again? Hardly a great side. There for the taking. His lack of attacking intent blew a golden opportunity.
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The exact same side?

Either way, that Italian side went further than every other team.
 
LJBlade said:
What?

Did they not go further than every other team? Which bit did I get wrong?
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You didn't answer my question because you didn't like the answer😉
Average to okay sides can win tournaments. Look at Greece and Portugal. They can also go deep in them with a lucky manager.
 
Berkshire Blade said:
You didn't answer my question because you didn't like the answer😉
Average to okay sides can win tournaments. Look at Greece and Portugal. They can also go deep in them with a lucky manager.
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I didn’t understand your question. It didn’t seem to have any relevance to the point I’d made.

Which bit did I get wrong?
 



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