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pommpey said:
Calls Southgate's detractors 'Captain Hindsights' the proceeds to be 'Captain Hindsight'.

pommpey
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Not Southgate's detractors, as such.
Specifically those criticising his team selection tonight.
Would you have tinkered with the side that won 6-2 a few days ago?

As said, I completely get the criticism of Southgate for not changing shape and / or making more ambitious subs.
The rest of it, is harder to understand and looks to be Captain Hindsight behaviour
 
CaptainMorgans said:
Not Southgate's detractors, as such.
Specifically those criticising his team selection tonight.
Would you have tinkered with the side that won 6-2 a few days ago?

As said, I completely get the criticism of Southgate for not changing shape and / or making more ambitious subs.
The rest of it, is harder to understand and looks to be Captain Hindsight behaviour
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So do I

Fully

But calling him a wanker?
 
Bell4 said:
Is it ?

Personal abuse ?

You called Southgate a wanker ?

A wanker ?

Isn’t that abuse ?

If you put it out there - as you do - don’t be so defensive when you get the same back
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Feller,

a. I am calling him a wanker. I am also discussing football whilst doing it.

b You are calling me a wanker, simply because of 'a'. Disagree with me, by all means. But don't abuse me. Tell me why I am wrong and offer your opinion and debate the issue (England's performance tonight and Southgate's lack of vision) but leave the personal abuse out of it.

Believe me, I have learned enough lessons on here doing exactly that, including serving bans.

Now do yourself a fucking favour and discuss tonight's match and leave what you feel about me out of it, eh?

You're still reported. Twice.

pommpey
 
I have to admit I fell asleep around the 20 minute mark and didn't wake up until there was only 5 minutes to go. Sounds as if Southgate did to the players what he did to me. Insomnia cure sorted. Is Harry injured ? He seemed to be in some discomfort at the end. I mean our Harry not the Spurs bloke.
 
pommpey said:
Feller,

a. I am calling him a wanker. I am also discussing football whilst doing it.

b You are calling me a wanker, simply because of 'a'. Disagree with me, by all means. But don't abuse me. Tell me why I am wrong and offer your opinion and debate the issue (England's performance tonight and Southgate's lack of vision) but leave the personal abuse out of it.

Believe me, I have learned enough lessons on here doing exactly that, including serving bans.

Now do yourself a fucking favour and discuss tonight's match and leave what you feel about me out of it, eh?

You're still reported. Twice.

pommpey
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Report all you like - fella

You called Southgate a wanker -

Justify all you want - that’s abuse you’re happy to dish out whilst - debating football

Why not take your own advice and debate football and leave out the personal abuse about Southgate ?

I’ve called you the same - whilst outlining that I enjoy your posts but that imo you are a clown at times for being so personal .

If you don’t get that

Which I’m sure you do

Then - well
 
CaptainMorgans said:
Ludicrous how many Captain Hindsights come crawling out of the woodwork.

"Shouldn't have played Trippier, Sterling, Mount" ... "because they were shit."
That same team beat Iran 6-2 a few days ago. Pre-match, nobody was complaining about that unchanged starting XI.

His in match tactical changes and substitutions leave a lot to be desired, granted. It's always been his issue.
But those players haven't all become "poor" and "overrated" overnight.

Tonight was as bad as I've seen this group, particularly out of possession.
They showed absolutely no desire, or ambition.
However, I wouldn't be surprised to see them turn it around against Wales and put a performance in.

There's a lot of them that need a rocket and a few changes do now need to be made, but no need to write them off completely based on a bad night.
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He's a bit of a hecky isn't he? A decent lad, gets his team organised and motivated but can't really see what needs to change in the 90. Hecky largely gets away with it cause he currently has a good set of palyers and is working in the championship, against similar managers.

Southgate is trying to win the world cup and I just don't think he's quite good enough. He's probably a 1/4 final coach with semi final squad
 
Bell4 said:
Report all you like - fella

You called Southgate a wanker -

Justify all you want - that’s abuse you’re happy to dish out whilst - debating football

Why not take your own advice and debate football and leave out the personal abuse about Southgate ?

I’ve called you the same - whilst outlining that I enjoy your posts but that imo you are a clown at times for being so personal .

If you don’t get that

Which I’m sure you do

Then - well
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Now you are pursuing me with a vendetta.

I feel at ease to call Southgate a wanker much in the same vein that people on here call Neil Warnock, Barry Bannon, Jack Grealish, Jay McEverley and countless others more insulting terms. They aren't part of the discourse and likely won't be. And, If I call Southgate a wanker and he is part of the conversation I feel he will be well within his right to report me. That's how it works.

Now you are making this what it shouldn't be. Heed my request - leave me alone and stop abusing me. Discuss football with me and disagree with me but pack it in with the ad hominem. This thread - your thread - is about tonight's game, not me. You'll find - as do I - people don't share your point of view. Get over it.

Southgate - to me - is a wanker. I have explained why.

pommpey
 
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pommpey said:
Now you are pursuing me with a vendetta.

I feel at ease to call Southgate a wanker much in the same vein that people on here call Neil Warnock, Barry Bannon, Jack Grealish, Jay McEverley and countless others more insulting terms. They aren't part of the discourse and likely won't be. And, If I call Southgate a wanker and he is part of the conversation I feel he will be well within his right to report me. That's how it works.

Now you are making this what it shouldn't be. Heed my request - leave me alone and stop abusing me. Discuss football with me and disagree with me but pack it in with the ad hominem. This thread - your thread - is about tonight's game, not me. You'll find - as do I - people don't share your point of view. Get over it.

Southgate - to me - is a wanker. I have explained why.

pommpey
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And so are you

Report all you like
 
Bell4 said:
Report all you like - fella

You called Southgate a wanker -

Justify all you want - that’s abuse you’re happy to dish out whilst - debating football

Why not take your own advice and debate football and leave out the personal abuse about Southgate ?

I’ve called you the same - whilst outlining that I enjoy your posts but that imo you are a clown at times for being so personal .

If you don’t get that

Which I’m sure you do

Then - well
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Oh for goodness sake let's leave the name calling behind and talk more about the football or lack of it.
Tonight we played against the USA and didn't bring on Foden to win the game but instead brought on Henderson not to lose it. Yes we will probably still win our group however for me that performance is not acceptable.
I see us playing and probably beating Senegal in the last 16 but then failing in the quarters even though we have some good players this time. I believe that will happen because of the negativity of the management.
Hopefully all that doesnt mean i should be called a derogatory name. God bless guys and UTB
 
pommpey said:
Now you are pursuing me with a vendetta.

I feel at ease to call Southgate a wanker much in the same vein that people on here call Neil Warnock, Barry Bannon, Jack Grealish, Jay McEverley and countless others more insulting terms. They aren't part of the discourse and likely won't be. And, If I call Southgate a wanker and he is part of the conversation I feel he will be well within his right to report me. That's how it works.

Now you are making this what it shouldn't be. Heed my request - leave me alone and stop abusing me. Discuss football with me and disagree with me but pack it in with the ad hominem. This thread - your thread - is about tonight's game, not me. You'll find - as do I - people don't share your point of view. Get over it.

Southgate - to me - is a wanker. I have explained why.

pommpey
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Pommps

You don’t get it

People including me , love your posts , enjoy your banter and your witty humour and analogies - fact

My point is that you are and should be above personal insults . Your opinions are valid and insightful and thought provoking and humorous . You articulate thoughts that most of us couldn’t match -thats why you often get - from
me anyway -responses of -this -

But you go too far - and imo you loo worse for it which is sad

You feel it is ok to call Southgate a wanker - I therefore feel it is ok they I call you the same for her reasons given

I’m actually not your enemy
 



Bell4 said:
Pommps

You don’t get it

People including me , love your posts , enjoy your banter and your witty humour and analogies - fact

My point is that you are and should be above personal insults . Your opinions are valid and insightful and thought provoking and humorous . You articulate thoughts that most of us couldn’t match -thats why you often get - from
me anyway -responses of -this -

But you go too far - and imo you loo worse for it which is sad

You feel it is ok to call Southgate a wanker - I therefore feel it is ok they I call you the same for her reasons given

I’m actually not your enemy
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And I'm not yours. But if you say I should be above personal insults, it is somewhat hypocritical to offer personal insults in response. As said, Southgate is unlikely to venture on here, so he is unlikely to be personally affronted by what one, or more say on some dark corner of the internet. Go look at Twitter, right now. Go see what shit he is shipping along with every other player including your Man of the Match tonight. You off to take them on too?

I don't need you to moderate me on here. If you disagree with me say so. It helps if you can explain why too. But don't insult me.

pommpey
 
pommpey said:
And I'm not yours. But if you say I should be above personal insults, it is somewhat hypocritical to offer personal insults in response. As said, Southgate is unlikely to venture on here, so he is unlikely to be personally affronted by what one, or more say on some dark corner of the internet. Go look at Twitter, right now. Go see what shit he is shipping along with every other player including your Man of the Match tonight. You off to take them on too?

I don't need you to moderate me on here. If you disagree with me say so. It helps if you can explain why too. But don't insult me.

pommpey
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Ok Pommps

Ok 🫤
 
blade67 said:
He's a bit of a hecky isn't he? A decent lad, gets his team organised and motivated but can't really see what needs to change in the 90. Hecky largely gets away with it cause he currently has a good set of palyers and is working in the championship, against similar managers.

Southgate is trying to win the world cup and I just don't think he's quite good enough. He's probably a 1/4 final coach with semi final squad
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I cannot agree with your assessment of PH, but that is a completely different subject IMHO. However; your final description of Southgate is about the most accurate I have ever heard. 'A quarter final coach with a semi final squad' sums him up perfectly. :)
 
BerksBlade said:
Bellingham average? He is bossing Champions League games at 19.
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Not sure if 'bossing games' has a new meaning from when players used to actually boss games, but it's for sure he's not looked like the next big thing in his international career so far. Falls down easy for a big lad though and that seems to stand players in good stead in the modern game.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
Not Southgate's detractors, as such.
Specifically those criticising his team selection tonight.
Would you have tinkered with the side that won 6-2 a few days ago?

As said, I completely get the criticism of Southgate for not changing shape and / or making more ambitious subs.
The rest of it, is harder to understand and looks to be Captain Hindsight behaviour
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If you'd have been sat having a beer with me beforehand, you'd have heard my disgruntlement at the team selection. Hindsight only went to confirm my negativity. I know these are players playing at a high level week in and week out, and I know you don't get the chance to do that unless you have something about you but for me, there were four or five players in the line up who aren't that great, and that's probably why we'll be lucky to get beyond the quarter finals.

Sterling offers very little, Saka is the new Raheem, Rice is a plodder with no creativity, Mount is Rice without the energy and Bellingham, despite being the boss of the Champions League, looks like he's fucking terrified.

They fit into a system that the manager likes, personally I don't like it, I think it's as boring as fuck and has little chance of succeeding (winning things) but there you go. Like I said in an earlier post, I had a chat with Southgate and he was a nice feller, just wish he had a bit more adventure about him on a football pitch.
 
Maurice Maurice said:
If you'd have been sat having a beer with me beforehand, you'd have heard my disgruntlement at the team selection. Hindsight only went to confirm my negativity. I know these are players playing at a high level week in and week out, and I know you don't get the chance to do that unless you have something about you but for me, there were four or five players in the line up who aren't that great, and that's probably why we'll be lucky to get beyond the quarter finals.

Sterling offers very little, Saka is the new Raheem, Rice is a plodder with no creativity, Mount is Rice without the energy and Bellingham, despite being the boss of the Champions League, looks like he's fucking terrified.

They fit into a system that the manager likes, personally I don't like it, I think it's as boring as fuck and has little chance of succeeding (winning things) but there you go. Like I said in an earlier post, I had a chat with Southgate and he was a nice feller, just wish he had a bit more adventure about him on a football pitch.
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Southgates sense of adventure is limited to opting for a dessert.
 
Whilst avoiding personal insults, he's a "shit manager" in my opinion, who was in the right place at the right time regarding getting the England job.

Sadly (as he doesn't deserve this tag) he's the most successful manager since Alf Ramsey, but he isn't the best manager since, there's a difference you see between stats and talent, he's not a good manager, let alone "great" he's currently very lucky to have a squad of outstanding players to work with.

He was out of work for 4 years prior to getting this job handed to him on a plate by the news of the world, and he should have been sacked after deciding to defend for 90+ minutes and handing that final to Italy, they had only one way to beat us and his cowardly inexperienced and negative tactics made sure they got that chance, he is completely responsible for that loss at Wembley..

I'm not over that loss, I will probably never get over it, I've waited a lifetime and he alone costed us all that trophy, I am bitter, and should I ever come face to face with him he'll get fucking told in no uncertain terms what I think of him.
 
Bell4 said:
You called Southgate a wanker

A wanker ?

You’re (you’re) a wanker for that and look a fool , which is a shame - and I mean that

You’re very funny and at times a very insightful poster - fact

But - imo

You’re a wanker as your (not you’re) inputs loose credibility

And that’s a shame
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Save your energy and attention for when united resumes your only watching overpaid cunts it’s not worth arguing about. I couldn’t care less about this tournament more concerned about taking maximum points in 2 weeks
 
Southgate shows that most half decent (and that’s what he is) managers could beat Andora 6 nil every week with this squad. But the best international managers at international level get the best players to perform to the highest standard when playing the top nations. This is we’re he falls short. No real plan B and loves a bit of defensive football
 
I've been saying Southgate's biggest strength was somehow having lucky cup draws with us facing weaker countries in the knock out. His most impressive win on paper was Germany and they are obviously not the force they once were.

Hopefully we get a manager with a record of more than just getting Middlesbrough relegated from the premier league after the world cup. His time is obviously up.
 
Bladesthorpe said:
That wanker that took us to the world semi and the euro final.FFS.
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A world semi when we played Iran level teams up-to Croatia - a Euro final that had us with home advantage in the whole tournament ( bar 1 game) he’s tactically limited
Cautious Gareth is holding these players back
 
CaptainMorgans said:
Not Southgate's detractors, as such.
Specifically those criticising his team selection tonight.
Would you have tinkered with the side that won 6-2 a few days ago?

As said, I completely get the criticism of Southgate for not changing shape and / or making more ambitious subs.
The rest of it, is harder to understand and looks to be Captain Hindsight behaviour
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Depends on the opposition and the way they intend to play us - yes
We all knew they would play a high press and be aggressive
Or at least change it 25/30 mins into the game
 
I’ve little interest in the international game and even less in England but any manager who picks Sterling for major tournaments needs his head looking at.

Re Bellingham there seems to be an obsession every tournament with England that they have to build up a young player into a world beater, presumably in desperation because they know deep down that they don’t have any world class players

He’s another Loftus-Cheek, tall athletic player but can’t cut it on a world stage
 



CaptainMorgans said:
Ludicrous how many Captain Hindsights come crawling out of the woodwork.

"Shouldn't have played Trippier, Sterling, Mount" ... "because they were shit."
That same team beat Iran 6-2 a few days ago. Pre-match, nobody was complaining about that unchanged starting XI.

His in match tactical changes and substitutions leave a lot to be desired, granted. It's always been his issue.
But those players haven't all become "poor" and "overrated" overnight.

Tonight was as bad as I've seen this group, particularly out of possession.
They showed absolutely no desire, or ambition.
However, I wouldn't be surprised to see them turn it around against Wales and put a performance in.

There's a lot of them that need a rocket and a few changes do now need to be made, but no need to write them off completely based on a bad night.
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Its pretty much textbook southgate ,he gets you to the knockout phases where his record is incomparable

Think people need to take a step back
I was dissapointed last night ,dont have the blades so sat down last night hoping to be entertained and wasnt but you could see the way the game was shaped that usa were setting out to sit in press well and draw us on to catch us on the break ,we didnt rise to that and the game became a stalemate

Anyone talking of not having a plan b ,what plan b would have changed that ?
 
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