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Returning, to last night's match for a moment, there were a couple of things that stood out for me.
1/ That we have never beaten a USA team?
2/ Judging by the Booing from the vast majority of the crowd, that became so loud it completely drowned out a faint rendering of " God save our team, left me wondering just how many England fans were actually in the ground last night?
 



Word has it from the FA that Graham Potter is in line to take over.

Another one who fits the 'blazer brigade'.
 
biggiesablade said:
We'd be very lucky imo
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I think he needs to prove he can manage top players first, stop doing stupid shit like playing Sterling as a wing back and win something with Chelsea.
 
My view for what it’s worth was that starting the same eleven was fair enough. After 60 minutes it was crying out for trickery and pace up front. He brought Grealish on and he immediately started giving the yanks something different to think about. Why on earth Mount wasn’t dragged off for Foden is beyond me frankly. It felt a very Nigel Clough type decision of we start with a point etc. We started off passively and barring a couple of short periods of pressure never turned it up. I was fully expecting a sucker punch at the end and in truth we would have deserved it.
 
robbiez666 said:
The hate towards Southgate is laughable. He's our most successful manager since 1966 and yet every time we don't win easily people can't wait to slag him off.

Sounds familiar...🤔
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Maybe its because his shite negative football has cost us one major trophy and a place in a final at an other.

“But ooooh hes the most successful manager since alf ramsey” hes had the easiest run of fixtures of any England manager since that time and still won absolutely fuck all.

If we’d have lost at any other stage in any of the tournaments he’s managed us in it would have been an absolute disaster. The bloke wont win us anything. He hasnt got the balls. Hes boring. Beige. Bland. Yes sir no sir. Three bags full sir. Fucking shite.
 
robbiez666 said:
The hate towards Southgate is laughable. He's our most successful manager since 1966 and yet every time we don't win easily people can't wait to slag him off.

Sounds familiar...🤔
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Since I can remember football

Revie- “dad, why aren’t England at the World Cup”
Greenwood - bit unlucky with injuries at a key time but didn’t do much
Robson - did little and was hated until 1990. Now gets lauded for getting us to semi-final by beating the likes of Belgium (who were a long way from the current crop) and Cameroon, who were decent going forward but erratic in defence.
Taylor - decent bloke, good at club level but out of his depth with a relatively poor set of players to choose from and injuries to key players. Not helped by his poor team selections and tactics.
Venables - I rated him but he wasn’t manager long enough to properly assess.
Hoddle - good tactician but apparently not a good man manager. Had a decent set of players to choose from but so did a couple of other countries at the time.
Keegan - said “I can’t do this”. He was right, he couldn’t.
Sven Goran Eriksen - someone described Southgate as a quarter final manager with a semi-final team. That’s Sven, that is.
McLaren - ruined my holiday plans. Great at Boro and Twente, shit everywhere else.
Fabio Capello - great Serie A manager. As far as England goes, he can fuck off.
Hodgson - good at getting middle of the road clubs to overachieve. Crap with top players who wanted to do more than bore the opposition to defeat. Failed at Blackburn (when they were good) and Liverpool. Picked over Redknapp because the FA are scared of dodgy cockneys, see Venables.
Allardyce - showed what the FA has to deal with. The press. Just like with Hoddle, the press didn’t fancy him so dug some shit up on him to force the FA’s hand.

Southgate is pretty good at most aspects other than his in game management. In the past, England has suffered from the club rivalry between players, the media shit stirring, pressure from sponsors to include certain players even if it was to the detriment of the team. He’s handled that.
And, in fairness, he was urging the team to get forwards last night, his subs made a bit of an impact, just not enough. This could have been another Saudi v Argentina or Iran v Wales, where we threw it away. We didn’t, we made sure a bad day in the office didn’t become a disaster.
We’ve got some good players but so have other countries and, as I was told a long time ago, it’s not always about how good you are, it’s about the quality of the opposition.
 
Charlieblade said:
I cannot agree with your assessment of PH, but that is a completely different subject IMHO. However; your final description of Southgate is about the most accurate I have ever heard. 'A quarter final coach with a semi final squad' sums him up perfectly. :)
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Do you think I'm being too harsh or too kind on Hecky? I know people who think both
 
Constantly Optimistic... said:
MOM in my opinion. England were gash. He took everything in the home area, and looked like the only who could score.
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I’ve always said Maguire is an excellent player but lacks pace, especially speed off the mark.
He has a touch of the John Egan’s about him.

If Maguire plays in a defence under pressure, then he’s great in the “backs to the wall” defending
but if he plays in an attacking expansive team that have their defence parked on the half way line
then it only needs a simple ball over the top and Maguire and Egan become vulnerable.

The success of Maguire and Egan are very much dependent on the other centre backs and full backs next to him.

Regards England when Kyle Walker plays, his electric pace means he’s the insurance policy for Maguire and it makes him a much more effective defender.
Maguire has always been good playing for England so I don’t see a problem.
 
Sheffsteel said:
I’ve always said Maguire is an excellent player but lacks pace, especially speed off the mark.
He has a touch of the John Egan’s about him.

If Maguire plays in a defence under pressure, then he’s great in the “backs to the wall” defending
but if he plays in an attacking expansive team that have their defence parked on the half way line
then it only needs a simple ball over the top and Maguire and Egan become vulnerable.

The success of Maguire and Egan are very much dependent on the other centre backs and full backs next to him.

Regards England when Kyle Walker plays, his electric pace means he’s the insurance policy for Maguire and it makes him a much more effective defender.
Maguire has always been good playing for England so I don’t see a problem.
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Spot on.
 
BushBlade said:
Since I can remember football

Revie- “dad, why aren’t England at the World Cup”
Greenwood - bit unlucky with injuries at a key time but didn’t do much
Robson - did little and was hated until 1990. Now gets lauded for getting us to semi-final by beating the likes of Belgium (who were a long way from the current crop) and Cameroon, who were decent going forward but erratic in defence.
Taylor - decent bloke, good at club level but out of his depth with a relatively poor set of players to choose from and injuries to key players. Not helped by his poor team selections and tactics.
Venables - I rated him but he wasn’t manager long enough to properly assess.
Hoddle - good tactician but apparently not a good man manager. Had a decent set of players to choose from but so did a couple of other countries at the time.
Keegan - said “I can’t do this”. He was right, he couldn’t.
Sven Goran Eriksen - someone described Southgate as a quarter final manager with a semi-final team. That’s Sven, that is.
McLaren - ruined my holiday plans. Great at Boro and Twente, shit everywhere else.
Fabio Capello - great Serie A manager. As far as England goes, he can fuck off.
Hodgson - good at getting middle of the road clubs to overachieve. Crap with top players who wanted to do more than bore the opposition to defeat. Failed at Blackburn (when they were good) and Liverpool. Picked over Redknapp because the FA are scared of dodgy cockneys, see Venables.
Allardyce - showed what the FA has to deal with. The press. Just like with Hoddle, the press didn’t fancy him so dug some shit up on him to force the FA’s hand.

Southgate is pretty good at most aspects other than his in game management. In the past, England has suffered from the club rivalry between players, the media shit stirring, pressure from sponsors to include certain players even if it was to the detriment of the team. He’s handled that.
And, in fairness, he was urging the team to get forwards last night, his subs made a bit of an impact, just not enough. This could have been another Saudi v Argentina or Iran v Wales, where we threw it away. We didn’t, we made sure a bad day in the office didn’t become a disaster.
We’ve got some good players but so have other countries and, as I was told a long time ago, it’s not always about how good you are, it’s about the quality of the opposition.
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"...Hoddle - good tactician but apparently not a good man manager. Had a decent set of players to choose from but so did a couple of other countries at the time...."

Didn't he also start talking about his weird religious beliefs, which even some on this forum would find odd and extreme?
 
pommpey said:
Thanks for making this conversation about what you think of me. It's almost like football doesn't exist, isn't it?

And it's 'you're' not 'your'.

As in 'you're reported to Foxy and Linz'

pommpey
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pommpey said:
Thanks for making this conversation about what you think of me. It's almost like football doesn't exist, isn't it?

And it's 'you're' not 'your'.

As in 'you're reported to Foxy and Linz'

pommpey
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It absolutely isn't you're, that would make no sense as you're Is an abbreviated form of you are, so as the post was written by you it is yours, therefore your is correct

Regards
 
Grappler said:
"...Hoddle - good tactician but apparently not a good man manager. Had a decent set of players to choose from but so did a couple of other countries at the time...."

Didn't he also start talking about his weird religious beliefs, which even some on this forum would find odd and extreme?
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Hoddle admitted to the press he was a born again Christian and his religion was massively important to him.
Around the same time he made a comment that he's a believer in sins committed today effect your future life.
So he incredibly said that anyone born disabled must be a punishment from God because they committed sins in their previous live.
Obviously accusing disabled people of living previous sinful lives didn't go down too well.
The press made him out to be a nutcase and he had to apologise saying he was misquoted and didn't mean it like that.

Hoddle also had a private guru/ mentor who was a faith healer called Eileen Drewery.
Hoddle was so impressed by her qualities that he allowed her to become involved in his England camp inner circle.
The press loved this and used the Drewery connection to make it appear that Hoddle was some laughable religious nutcase.

So Hoddle was sacked for off the field reasons, on the field England were quite good and looked promising when Hoddle was manager.
 



Berkshire Blade said:
I've been saying Southgate's biggest strength was somehow having lucky cup draws with us facing weaker countries in the knock out. His most impressive win on paper was Germany and they are obviously not the force they once were.

Hopefully we get a manager with a record of more than just getting Middlesbrough relegated from the premier league after the world cup. His time is obviously up.
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Don’t stress about it concentrate on us pal this tournament is a load of 💩💩

UTB the real stuff returns in a fortnight 👍
 
Sheffsteel said:
Hoddle admitted to the press he was a born again Christian and his religion was massively important to him.
Around the same time he made a comment that he's a believer in sins committed today effect your future life.
So he incredibly said that anyone born disabled must be a punishment from God because they committed sins in their previous live.
Obviously accusing disabled people of living previous sinful lives didn't go down too well.
The press made him out to be a nutcase and he had to apologise saying he was misquoted and didn't mean it like that.

Hoddle also had private guru/ mentor who was a faith healer called Eileen Drewery.
Hoddle was so impressed by her qualities that he allowed her to become involved in his England camp inner circle.
The press loved this and used the Drewery connection to make it appear that Hoddle was some laughable religious nutcase.

So Hoddle was sacked for off the field reasons, on the field England were quite good and looked promising when Hoddle was manager.
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That was it, saying that if you had a disabled child it was god's punishment for sins you did in a previous life, something like that.

I'd forgotten all about Eileen Drewery.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Hoddle admitted to the press he was a born again Christian and his religion was massively important to him.
Around the same time he made a comment that he's a believer in sins committed today effect your future life.
So he incredibly said that anyone born disabled must be a punishment from God because they committed sins in their previous live.
Obviously accusing disabled people of living previous sinful lives didn't go down too well.
The press made him out to be a nutcase and he had to apologise saying he was misquoted and didn't mean it like that.

Hoddle also had a private guru/ mentor who was a faith healer called Eileen Drewery.
Hoddle was so impressed by her qualities that he allowed her to become involved in his England camp inner circle.
The press loved this and used the Drewery connection to make it appear that Hoddle was some laughable religious nutcase.

So Hoddle was sacked for off the field reasons, on the field England were quite good and looked promising when Hoddle was manager.
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www.irishtimes.com

Storm as Hoddle `blames' disabled

Glenn Hoddle is likely to face revitalised pressure for him to stand down as England coach following a controversial interview…
www.irishtimes.com www.irishtimes.com

Awful comments from Hoddle. He's lucky he made them pre-cancel culture.

I was only a kid when I heard them. With a younger sibling with a disability it upset me even then. Never really forgiven it.
 
Tarqs said:
His record against any half decent nation is abysmal.

Lost as many matches as we won in 2018 beating only panama, tunisia and Sweden.

Euros was better, but tried to defend a 1 0 for 90 mins against Italy.

Last year of the europa nations has been utterly abysmal .


Awful club manager, awful international manager. All about negating opposition threats, when playing against supposed lesser nations.

Will be same this tournament , we will lose in quarters against first half decent side we come up against.
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Are there any “half decent sides” in this cup ?
 
JohnDenver said:
They got him sacked. But other than that he completely got away with it…
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He's back on mainstream TV doing punditry.
I don't think that would happen if the comments were made in the social media age.
But I take your point.
 
Grappler said:
"...Hoddle - good tactician but apparently not a good man manager. Had a decent set of players to choose from but so did a couple of other countries at the time...."

Didn't he also start talking about his weird religious beliefs, which even some on this forum would find odd and extreme?
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Not exactly. He’d actually said those odd things a good year or so before it was made public. It didn’t come out until we got a couple of bad results. Was it Matt Lawton or Oliver Holt or someone like that who broke the story? I seem to recall reading later that he’d admitted he’d done it to get rid of Hoddle.

The Eileen Drewery stuff was nonsense too, it’s bad enough he believed it but trying to impose it on the players was just daft. Managers don’t help themselves when they do things like that.
 
wak1889 said:
It absolutely isn't you're, that would make no sense as you're Is an abbreviated form of you are, so as the post was written by you it is yours, therefore your is correct

Regards
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Cheers for that. Aside from the 'controls the internet by a head-wand' level of forum proficiency, you've (or 'you have', maybe) countered my statement then countered your ... or 'you're' own with your own daftness.

Try this: 'Your a wanker'. Grammatically, the syntax doesn't fit. 'Your' is possessive. And a determiner which doesn't connect with the descriptor. You can't 'own' a noun. You can only be one.

So if I was to say 'you are a wanker', that might be abbreviated to 'you're a wanker' which is I'm sure what Bell4 meant. The pronoun at the front connects with the noun at the end in a well coupled junction of descriptive beauty which I think you might recognise.

Hope this helps and your okay about it

pommpey
 
BettingBlade said:
Apologies for equating success with actually winning something rather than having a decent win percentage by beating, more often than not, inferior teams.
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Fuck me if you caveat that anymore it would be like reading the terms and conditions on a mortgage
 



Tarqs said:
His record against any half decent nation is abysmal.

Lost as many matches as we won in 2018 beating only panama, tunisia and Sweden.

Euros was better, but tried to defend a 1 0 for 90 mins against Italy.

Last year of the europa nations has been utterly abysmal .


Awful club manager, awful international manager. All about negating opposition threats, when playing against supposed lesser nations.

Will be same this tournament , we will lose in quarters against first half decent side we come up against.
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Germany.
 
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