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ashsufc1889 said:
Chuffing eck, you're a braver man than me (gender assumption, my bad). Mumsnet is worse than the covid threads ;)
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Yeh I realise that now. I didn’t stay on long realising my middle of the road views weren’t welcome.

The nastiness towards Ched was tangible.
It did make me wonder if it was male posters posting the nasty stuff as you find in womens issues (abortion, misogyny) it’s ironic that it’s the men who shout loudest and are more aggressive in their pro women views.

Regards this thread there’s almost 2 arguments.

Agree with Deadbat. However I don’t believe many people have issues about gay people anymore. Thankfully it’s becoming outdated and old fashioned. Although maybe there’s still the covert hidden stuff, I don’t know.

The issue might be more about encouraging and promoting multiple diversity groups. So instead of all being equal under ONE Sheffield United family. Instead there’s a fashion to identify yourself into specialists groups.

Encouraging diversity is probably beneficial but where does it end, also is there a psychological downside of promoting/ encouraging what could be perceived as victim hood? At a deeper level it’s not a simple subject.

But we don’t know what journey minority groups have had. If they feel a need to advertise that they belong to or support a minority then live and let live. I know a few gay people and they wouldn’t wear a rainbow scarf not because they’re scared or ashamed, it’s because it’s not their thing.
 
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Deadbat said:
No issues with it. The club are trying to be inclusive. As far as I am aware the club liaised with Rainbow Blades and clearly believe its a good idea and there is a market for it.

It's interesting that noone kicks up a fuss about female merchandise being pink?

Or the gnomes aren't female or black?

A few of the posts in here show some very outdated views I feel.

The club shop sells a lot of stuff many fans are not being bothered about or dislike but don't see a thread every time a new item is put on sale people do not like.
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There are no female, black or gay gnomes?! Right that's it - gluing myself to the car park.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Yeh I realise that now. I didn’t stay on long realising my middle of the road views weren’t welcome.

The nastiness towards Ched was tangible.
It did make me wonder if it was male posters posting the nasty stuff as you find in womens issues (abortion, misogyny) it’s ironic that it’s the men who shout loudest and are more aggressive in their pro women views.

Regards this thread there’s almost 2 arguments.

Agree with Deadbat. However I don’t believe many people have issues about gay people anymore. Thankfully it’s becoming outdated and old fashioned. Although maybe there’s still the covert hidden stuff, I don’t know.

The issue might be more about encouraging and promoting multiple diversity groups. So instead of all being equal under ONE Sheffield United family. Instead there’s a fashion to identify yourself into specialists groups.

Encouraging diversity is probably beneficial but where does it end, also is there a psychological downside of promoting/ encouraging what could be perceived as victim hood? At a deeper level it’s not a simple subject.

But we don’t know what journey minority groups have had. If they feel a need to advertise that they belong to or support a minority then live and let live. I know a few gay people and they wouldn’t wear a rainbow scarf not because they’re scared or ashamed, it’s because it’s not their thing.
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I think supporter groups (Rainbow Blades, Disabled Supporters Club etc) is more to do with mutual support/strength in numbers rather than simply wanting to be divisive for its own sake

After all why would you want to support a club just to cordon yourself off from 80% of other supporters. Ultimately everybody who supports Sheffield United wants to feel like they belong but clearly that’s not always the experience.
 
CrookesBlade said:
I think supporter groups (Rainbow Blades, Disabled Supporters Club etc) is more to do with mutual support/strength in numbers rather than simply wanting to be divisive for its own sake

After all why would you want to support a club just to cordon yourself off from 80% of other supporters. Ultimately everybody who supports Sheffield United wants to feel like they belong but clearly that’s not always the experience.
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Good point….I suppose everyone is individual and has their own personal motive.

If you’ve grown up in a restrictive family who insist homosexuality is something that society says must stay hidden in the closet and is taboo. Then it must be spiritually uplifting to feel safe and protected to show the world you’re proud to be gay. Also arguably through exposure you’re playing a small part towards greater tolerance.

I saw a comment earlier about women wearing pink scarves. I know a woman who wears a pink scarf, she has zero interest in women’s rights and just bought the scarf because she prefers the colour pink compare to red.

As long as no one is hurt I’m all for freedom to do what you want with free choice.
 
Sheffsteel said:
However I don’t believe many people have issues about gay people anymore. Thankfully it’s becoming outdated and old fashioned. Although maybe there’s still the covert hidden stuff, I don’t know
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You obviously don’t sit near me in the Lane then. I’ve reported homophobic abuse to Kick It Out twice, and heard more where I’ve not been able to identify the person saying it. Others in this thread have mentioned the abuse they’ve heard- I don’t think we’re all sat next to each other hearing it from just one fella.

You might think it’s a sense of victimhood, but the experience of hearing homophobic abuse whilst you’re watching the game is fucking horrible. I’m a Blade like everyone else. I’d like to enjoy the games without hearing vile abuse directed at players but could just as well be directed at me if they knew I was gay.
 
Nesh Blade said:
You obviously don’t sit near me in the Lane then. I’ve reported homophobic abuse to Kick It Out twice, and heard more where I’ve not been able to identify the person saying it. Others in this thread have mentioned the abuse they’ve heard- I don’t think we’re all sat next to each other hearing it from just one fella.

You might think it’s a sense of victimhood, but the experience of hearing homophobic abuse whilst you’re watching the game is fucking horrible. I’m a Blade like everyone else. I’d like to enjoy the games without hearing vile abuse directed at players but could just as well be directed at me if they knew I was gay.
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That’s terrible, really feel for you.
I sit just behind the goal in the Kop and don’t hear anything racist or homophonic or maybe it does happen but I don’t notice it when it’s comedy style banter instead of hateful vitriol.

I always think in order to address an issue it’s best to go right back to the origin. What is the motivation behind the abusers? Do they know they’re doing wrong? Can they be reformed?

Maybe the answer is to stop all kinds of abuse but it seems kind of perverse to give fans a list of abusive words they can and can’t use. Also wouldn’t it sanitise and change match day experience in a negative way?

I’ve often thought some fan behaviour is bizarre and behavioural psychologists would have a field day. When I was in the BLUT in our league 1 days there was a placid mild mannered man sat in front of me but when the ref or linesman gave a bad decision he would go mad shouting extreme abuse in their direction. It didn’t make sense. Then I thought he’s possibly frustrated with his life and comes to matches to let off steam abusing match officials and goes home feeling better and less likely to abuse his partner and kids.
 
Nesh Blade said:
You might think it’s a sense of victimhood, but the experience of hearing homophobic abuse whilst you’re watching the game is fucking horrible. I’m a Blade like everyone else. I’d like to enjoy the games without hearing vile abuse directed at players but could just as well be directed at me if they knew I was gay.
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Indeed. I too felt intimidated and uncomfortable at a match once where someone shouted at an opposition player - "Get up you person who likes to be spanked and peed on by buxom women in high heeled boots!" Where's my scarf?
 
Jon Bon II said:
Indeed. I too felt intimidated and uncomfortable at a match once where someone shouted at an opposition player - "Get up you person who likes to be spanked and peed on by buxom women in high heeled boots!" Where's my scarf?
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In the wash 😂
 
WalthamstowBlade said:
The latter is a sentiment I share, but folk can still comment on how misguided this is. After all, why post about it if folk aren’t supposed to comment on it?
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Commenting is fine and debate is a really good thing on any topic, particularly this. I just think there’s too much chat that says that “you can do whatever you want with whoever you want, but I’m angry about a scarf that commemorates that.”

Im always amazed by the reaction it provokes. If you’re passionately in favour, great. If you’re passionately against, fair enough but it’s only a scarf. And most Blades simply see other Blades as Blades and couldn’t care less if you wear a rainbow scarf, a 1964 third kit or a fedora signed by Hao Hai Dong :)
 
Sheff de party said:
Commenting is fine and debate is a really good thing on any topic, particularly this. I just think there’s too much chat that says that “you can do whatever you want with whoever you want, but I’m angry about a scarf that commemorates that.”

Im always amazed by the reaction it provokes. If you’re passionately in favour, great. If you’re passionately against, fair enough but it’s only a scarf. And most Blades simply see other Blades as Blades and couldn’t care less if you wear a rainbow scarf, a 1964 third kit or a fedora signed by Hao Hai Dong :)
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That’s way you phrase it actually makes these things sound worse.
 

JayGreen17 said:
You seem to be fortunate to have never been discriminated against for just being who you are, for all the hard work in trying to fight for equal rights, being called all the names under the sun to finally have some sort of equality of life is massive for the LGBTQ community, so as a gay man I’m saying to you that sometimes going to the game is like stepping back in time, theres homophobic shouting/abuse at players, other fans etc, it happens, why should I have to feel uncomfortable going to a game because of it? Are you saying this is acceptable? can you not not accept that some of these small gestures, flags, scarves, rainbow laces help break down prejudices?

Is that too hard for your brain to comprehend that because you don’t hear it or your friends haven’t that it doesn’t happen or make people feel that way?

Have a chat to the rainbowblades group and ask why they were founded, I’m pretty sure you will be enlightened and you never know may even understand why these things are important.
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Well written, hope this makes people think
 
JayGreen17 said:
You seem to be fortunate to have never been discriminated against for just being who you are, for all the hard work in trying to fight for equal rights, being called all the names under the sun to finally have some sort of equality of life is massive for the LGBTQ community, so as a gay man I’m saying to you that sometimes going to the game is like stepping back in time, theres homophobic shouting/abuse at players, other fans etc, it happens, why should I have to feel uncomfortable going to a game because of it? Are you saying this is acceptable? can you not not accept that some of these small gestures, flags, scarves, rainbow laces help break down prejudices?

Is that too hard for your brain to comprehend that because you don’t hear it or your friends haven’t that it doesn’t happen or make people feel that way?

Have a chat to the rainbowblades group and ask why they were founded, I’m pretty sure you will be enlightened and you never know may even understand why these things are important.
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Great post.

As a straight man it doesn’t really bother me about who another person wishes to fall in love with, it doesn’t have any effect on my life and nor should it, and it doesn’t have any influence on my perception people but it did when I was younger and a lot more immature and had less of a understanding in to it and I perceived it as a threat to me as I thought every gay wanted to have sex with me although that couldn’t have been further from the truth.

To be honest I’ve got a bigger issue with the people who are making themselves look like narrow minded bigots over a rainbow scarf. If you don’t like it then don’t buy it. It’s fairly simple, but to go off on one about about cultural marxism, wokeness or political correctness gone mad says a lot more about what they are than anyone else
 
Zipwire said:
To be honest I’ve got a bigger issue with the people who are making themselves look like narrow minded bigots over a rainbow scarf. If you don’t like it then don’t buy it. It’s fairly simple, but to go off on one about about cultural marxism, wokeness or political correctness gone mad says a lot more about what they are than anyone else
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If your looking for bigots, the Marxist on your profile picture set up labour camps for gay people where they were beaten, raped and murdered.
 
EddieColquhoun said:
If your looking for bigots, the Marxist on your profile picture set up labour camps for gay people where they were beaten, raped and murdered.
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Fidel was very happy for him to leave and get shot.
Camilo Cienfuegos also disappeared in mysterious circumstances.
That just left one communist leader with absolute power.

Only in the last few years have gay people been accepted in Che's old stomping ground.
 
Bert said:
Fidel was very happy for him to leave and get shot.
Camilo Cienfuegos also disappeared in mysterious circumstances.
That just left one communist leader with absolute power.

Only in the last few years have gay people been accepted in Che's old stomping ground.
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Well done Sheffield United. You put a pride scarf on sale and prompt 7K views and 173 posts proving that this is a debate that needed to be had, even if you don’t sell any scarfs (and I know you have sold at least 2) I’d call that a success.

Despite the fact that 5 minutes on the rainbow laces or rainbow blades websites would have answered many of the questions asked.

Imagine the reaction of some of the posters on this thread if they found out the club shop has been selling pride pin badges and fridge magnets for the past 18 months.

Keep talking Blades, keep prejudice in open forum where it can’t sulk and fester in dark corners.

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Bearlie said:
Is it wrong to have homophobic leanings if you keep it to yourself???
Serious question this?
Is it homophobic if you are against gay marriage?
Is it homophobic if the thought of two hairy arsed geezers slobbering over each other makes you feel slightly queezy?
Asking for a friend 🤩
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Is it homophobic to like bananas? Asking for a friend..... he says he cant stand the taste, but finds the shape delicious...
 
raimond said:
Serious question mate, so here's the/a definition of homophobia
"having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against gay people".

So having a dislike would be yes- like racism it's about the beliefs and attitudes you hold inside, as opposed to having to say awful things to be a homophobe/racist/misogynist etc.

I'm not sure having an opinion means your friend is a homophobe though, it doesn't mean he dislikes anyone ...but he might want to phrase it a bit more subtly.

Still, as others have said I'm not sure if the scarves are a good thing and supportive or a bit much/patronising...
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Maybe
I think I am accepting of people's sexual preferences, I have no comments or opinions about it.

But the sight of two blokes snogging each others faces off on TV makes me want to vomit.

Can't help it, it just makes me feel sick.
 
JJBlade said:
Maybe
I think I am accepting of people's sexual preferences, I have no comments or opinions about it.

But the sight of two blokes snogging each others faces off on TV makes me want to vomit.

Can't help it, it just makes me feel sick.
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Such a supposed violent physical response sounds a lot like you have some opinions on it… Might be one for a bit more introspection that. Or don’t bother thinking about it at all, but at least don’t post clearly contradictory statements
 
Nesh Blade said:
Such a supposed violent physical response sounds a lot like you have some opinions on it… Might be one for a bit more introspection that. Or don’t bother thinking about it at all, but at least don’t post clearly contradictory statements
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No
Not really,
It just makes me feel a bit cringy,
Like it has to be in every programme, to meet the expected and demanded gay exposure quota.

Any straight man would be lying if he said he could watch two men kissing and not be completely turned off by it.

Doesn't mean there is hatred or non acceptance, it just means there is.....Noooooo don't !!!! yeeeuukk !!!
 

Top of the league said:
But did Elton let it bother him ,I'm sure it was water off a duck to him .that's multimillionaire Elton who happily married with children
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My guess is that if Elton has mentioned in his book then yeah, it probably did bother him.
 
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