robbiez666
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Wilder's interview is interesting.
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Hmmmm.. Clarke's defensive work last night was infinitely better than his work at the other end.Better than Clarke's.
Wilder's interview is interesting.
No it was.Hmmmm.. Clarke's defensive work last night was infinitely better than his work at the other end.
Think not what he can do without the ball,but what can he do with the ball
No it was.
He actually closes the ball down a lot more than I give home credit for.
That's not really defending though, but let's be fair that's not Brooks or Clarke's game.
It's not my thoughts on the matter that are relevant in this instance fred , its Wilders .
Its about time sheff utd board realised what a great prospect we have, offered him a new 4 year contract and told the likes of everton to go away and not come back unless they were prepared to pay a minimum of 12million just like southampton did to arsenal with wallcott and oxlade chamberlainSadly I can't see him being here when September comes around.
Really hope I'm wrong but doubt it very much.
Its about time sheff utd board realised what a great prospect we have, offered him a new 4 year contract and told the likes of everton to go away and not come back unless they were prepared to pay a minimum of 12million just like southampton did to arsenal with wallcott and oxlade chamberlain
High pressing is very much part of Wilders philosophy when it comes to setting his side's up to compete . Brooks clearly still has a great deal of ' developing ' to do in this respect and that's why he's destined for the subs bench right now . Quite why so many clamour for him to start straight away seems ludicrous to me .
IMO he should be used from the start of the season, given he's currently being used pre-season, why not ? and if this means only off the bench then so be it. If he shines his value rockets, if he doesn't do so well, interest in him will drop and this will also settle our curiosity. What I don't want us to do, and it is probably what we will do, is leave him out of the squad which will entice the 'top dogs' to take a punt and he'll be off for for the standard £1/£1.5M without us ever seeing what he could do. Play him and if he's shit in the 'men's league' then never mind, cost nowt anyway. If he is awesome, we have a top new signing or a much more valuable asset.So Thorpy by definition are you saying increase his wage from £2K to £20K making him the highest paid player.
He's not ever played a game in the men's league yet and you're suggesting he's worth around £10 million.
Amazing!!
Agents negotiate salaries based on the players worth (transfer fee wise) to the club, so if you're confident we could get £10 million for him in 2 or 3 years then the agent can easily justify that he's worth £20K a week salary (which is £4 million over 4 years).
He's hugely talented and has great potential but he's currently no where near good enough to get a starting place. There's a massive difference between the Toulon under 19 tournemnrnt and the real deal of men's standard league football.
Plenty of others that can press, just give him the ball and he makes things happen, that's his job. If he's good enough he's old enough.
I'm tending to agree but the important factor of effective pressing is that EVERYONE does it.
If there's a weak link then the whole pressing tactic breaks is no where near as effective.
I would have thought the club won't offer Brooke's a new salary until they see some evidence of what he can do in the Championship.
No doubt Wilder will protect him and initially give him substitute appearances.
If he impresses then I might get the odd start to see how he copes.
IMO he should be used from the start of the season, given he's currently being used pre-season, why not ? and if this means only off the bench then so be it. If he shines his value rockets, if he doesn't do so well, interest in him will drop and this will also settle our curiosity. What I don't want us to do, and it is probably what we will do, is leave him out of the squad which will entice the 'top dogs' to take a punt and he'll be off for for the standard £1/£1.5M without us ever seeing what he could do. Play him and if he's shit in the 'men's league' then never mind, cost nowt anyway. If he is awesome, we have a top new signing or a much more valuable asset.
I can't disagree with your comments either to be honest. I haven't seen him and am only reading the hype to be fair. But young players can burst on to the scene, so why not him ? If it doesn't work then we withdraw him from the first team, not all players will have there confidence destroyed by this and I'm sure Wilder would be able to sort that but I do see what your saying.Understand what you're saying but his pre season to date has been against relatively poor opposition.
The Toulon tournement was international but not much older than school boy level.
Brooks preseason with us have all been as sub playing against weaker opposition who have just started per season and probably won't be as fit as him. He's probably feeling great at the moment with high confidence. If we start him against Brentford and Boro, we lose both and he's too lightweight and struggles playing against big men then it could destroy his confidence and we've then lost an asset for next season.
I'm sure Wilder will try to keep him grounded and talk about gradual development with protection. He'll be in the squad building experience but can't see him initially starting any matches unless he really impresses whilst sub.
Whilst ever we believe he has this much potential seriously doubt we'd ever sell for 1 million or so. Why would we?
People will still hunt for negatives but you couldn't possibly wish for a better answer than that.Article in this mornings Star on Brooks.
Says he loves at the club
http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foot...d-speculation-linking-him-with-move-1-8665336
There is no way, unless Tufty is playing a masterful game of smoke and mirrors, that he will start against Brentford. Given that it's looking like we're starting with pretty much the same team as last year, the only way you could see him possibly coming in is for Duffy, unless he goes with one up top and plays him just behind, but that's probably the role Carruthers would take.
With keeper cover, 2/3 defensive cover, 2/3 strikers, Thomas on the sidelines, Lunstram signing imminent, there's very little room even on the bench for him. And all this time, he'll be speaking to DCL who'll be telling him about how he's having a great time at Everton on 4 times the money he's on.
It's a dilemma for Tufty who probably doesn't want to throw him in yet but unfortunately, I can only see this going one way.
Keeper and 2 from each department on the bench for me and whilst CW can pick from a number of midfielders to sit on the bench and I agree, presently Brooks would be further down the list if CW gets his targets over the line, injuries may give Brooks an opportunity. It's up to him then whether he can take it. From what I have seen at the moment. Brooks offers us something a little different when we go forward. I think as a young un, consistency is needed, but the lad certainly has something.
We will still get a fee if his contract runs out as he is under 24
Hmmmm.
Plenty were saying the same about Diego and how we must tie him down. That 'potential' worked out well for us....
It's amazing how easy it is to spend someone else's money. £20k per week on an 18 year, say a four year deal, with NI and pension is about £5m. Then people ask 'where has all the money gone'.
I agree that we should try and keep him. I'm just not convinced how easy it will be without taking big risks.
You say the only risk is that he gets injured. I know you're 100% convinced that he'll make it but he's never played in the Championship so there's some risk there however much we all rate him. Wolves have spent £18m on a player and I wouldn't say he's guaranteed to be a success in the Championship so Brooks certainly isn't nailed on.
The more important factor is that a Premier League club will be able to pay more than whatever we offer him. Let's say we give him a contract on £7,000 a week (which I would've thought will be more than other squad members with more experience) and Everton offer him £11,000. What happens then? Do we go to £12,000?
I think we've got one card that we can play and that's giving him game time. That should only happen (and will only happen) though if Wilder thinks including him gives us our best chance of 3 points.
£5,000 a week and Wilder's word that he'll be in or around the first team if he meets the necessary standards. That probably gives us a chance of keeping him in the short-term.
What we don't know of course is just how much Wilder rates him. I'm pretty sure he wasn't a massive fan of DCL and saw the fee as more than acceptable and I think Ramsdale was seen as expendable given he was unlikely to be first choice in the next couple of years.
Didn't we have him under contract before the injury? Either we turned bids down for the boy wonder or no one save Juve of course, came in for him.
Ive seen plenty of "the next big thing" at BL over the years, most of whom disappeared into relative obscurity.
The clubs invests a seven figure sum in the academy annually, in the hope that the best lads will make a telling impact in the first team, or be sold for a telling fee. If the best players are not on long contracts we risk undermining this hope. It's, therefore, up to the highly skilled staff to decide what type of deal Brooks is worth, and the quid pro quo of giving him that deal to get him on that longer contract. Ramsdale is a cautionary tale, which largely pre dates Wilder's involvement in the club.We sold him with less than a year on his deaI, with two prem teams interested. I would say that it's notable that Fleck and O'Connell only have two years left on their deals. How much would they be worth in twelve months time - with only twelve months left as opposed to say three years? If Wilder's certain that they'll flourish at championship level, wouldn't it be best to get them signed up now, before the secret is out? United need to protect its assets.
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