People calling for wilder to go…

[JJBlade]

It doesn't matter what people thought before a ball was kicked
It doesn't matter about last seasons shitshow, this season can't be pre determined by that
It doesn't matter what our half arsed, unambitious, apologies for a set of fans think

What matters is we were two points clear with the next four games to play against a mid table team and three relegation candidates, and the first three of those games have been spineless, pathetic, clueless defeats. Not just defeats, but spineless, pathetic and clueless.

It's not as though they're even under pressure, because our apologies for a set of fans expect or demand nothing from them anyway

 

[CornwallBlade]

Last time we went up with Wilder we had a style ,an identity and it was a good watch too. That closed season I was laughed at by blade and pig mates for predicting a top 10 finish , just based on how confident I felt about the team and how we played .
This time , even if we get over the line lots are dreading chris at the helm and a repeat of Last season.
If we stay where we are many are not looking forward to a season of uninspiring dull football .

Can't blame people for just wanting to see something different and something that we have confidence in, to move to the next level .
It's a brutal industry . Some people achieve great things in thier work ,and ultimately they become yesterdays man .

I hope with everything we get over the line , he'll be given a shot at the PL but think the outcome will be inevitable.

I really hope he isn’t given a shot. Chances of surviving in the PL are few and failure can have dire consequences. The thought of Chrissah blowing another £100m on dross, us being embarrassingly bottom and him stomping out at Christmas? No thanks.

 

[CornwallBlade]

The owners would need to be willing to spend big given Cooper's transfer record.
Steve Cooper spent 20 MILLION to buy Oliver Skipp from Spurs last August.
Skipp has since managed 7 starts for a struggling Leicester team.
(Even Luke Thomas is getting a start for Leicester these days)

Err, I give you McBurnie and Brewster? Not wanting to start a row but Cooper built the foundations of a top PL team whereas Wilders latest move was £10m for sodding Cannon.

 

[CornwallBlade]

I know CW is the public figurehead of our club & he makes the decisions re team etc, but I haven't yet seen anyone question Knilly's position in all this "crap" football we are playing. I haven't read every thread so maybe I have missed it, but as he is our acknowledged tactician I find it interesting that he has completely avoided criticism of our style of play. Why would that be, do you think?

Because he hides in the shadows, where Chrissah’s ego wants him to be. Can’t blame him now if he never was allowed to be in the spotlight when things were better?

 

[loyalblade95]

Rosenoir currently 6th in French top league with Strasbourg, he'snot doing a bad job really.

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Didn't realise he was managing in France now, looking at who else is in that top 6, he's doing a decent job.

 

[Slugger]

Err, I give you McBurnie and Brewster? Not wanting to start a row but Cooper built the foundations of a top PL team whereas Wilders latest move was £10m for sodding Cannon.

Fairly easy to build the foundations of a top PL team if you spend 165 million and get the funds for an extra 21 Premier League salaries.

With all of that Cooper managed 1 win in 13 matches and was sacked.

I get that you're not a fan of Wilder but do you think Cooper would do a good job with us? If so, why?

 

[petcharlie]

Fairly easy to build the foundations of a top PL team if you spend 165 million and get the funds for an extra 21 Premier League salaries.

With all of that Cooper managed 1 win in 13 matches and was sacked.

I get that you're not a fan of Wilder but do you think Cooper would do a good job with us? If so, why?

Yes I wonder what our so called fans would say if Cooper came in signed 21 new players on mega bucks money and won just one win in 13 . Looking across the city their fans think they have the best manager in the league yet how long is it since they have seen a home win? Strange .

 

[ghandi]

it’s embarrassing to see. We’re 3rd in the table, way higher than anyone expected this year. We’ve had 3 really cruel games and so many fans have just completely spat the dummy out. Who on earth do you think would do a better job with this squad? How totally delusional do you have to be to think this team should be higher than what it is? It makes us look pathetic.

That's because we are pathetic.

 

[ghandi]

None of them would take the job.

We have the best manager available and willing to managed us in charge.

By stealing a wage with very average performances and tactic from a very talented a set of players.

 

[ghandi]

You seem to take pleasure in mocking our own supporters singing that Wilder is one of our own, I don’t get that, he is one of our own and is probably the most successful United manager in the modern era. Without pts deduction we’re 3 pts off top with Burnley to play.

Be realistic, we’re a championship club, who can attract championship managers, who will not always get everything correct.

People forget wilder took this club to a 9th place finish.

John Harris took us to a top 6 finish without any histrionics al al Wilder playing entertaining football.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Yes I wonder what our so called fans would say if Cooper came in signed 21 new players on mega bucks money and won just one win in 13 . Looking across the city their fans think they have the best manager in the league yet how long is it since they have seen a home win? Strange .

You cannot apply logic in debates with irrational Wilder haters. That's your first mistake. They wanted him out before the Oxford game (don't let their current revisionism blind you). If we apply their logic to United going forwards, post Wilder, (surely these people aren't hypocrites so they would apply the same logic as a matter of course ) the Blades job is now the toughest in English football. We are essentially unmanageable: nothing except top position winning almost every game with what they subjectively decree is champagne football is good enough for them. What's right for the goose is right for the gander so that is the new standard THEY must hold too.

All season the new manager would have to navigate a poisonous home crowd, and abusive away fans if we don't win (despite breaking our away record). They'll have their friends and mental health commented on by these same doyens of rectitude. If the new manager fires back at any point (ala Wilder post Oxford away) after running the gauntlet since August they'll then be painted as the Devil incarnate by these same saintly figures.

Any support they receive will be seen as a negative thing and the fans giving that support will be abused too. Nice job the Blades job in that case eh ?

 

[Houston_Blade]

There isn’t another manager we could have afforded who could have done better than Chris Wilder has done this season considering the state the club was in at the start of the season regards players leaving, points deduction etc. He had to build a complete new side from scratch. I for one didn’t expect us to be where we are at this stage of the season and not many did if they speak the truth.

That’s pure opinion, you have no idea who we could have afforded and how well they’d have done.

 

[Houston_Blade]

If Souttar had not got injured we would now be 10 points clear of Leeds and Burnley

Yet we signed Holding as a replacement and have persisted with JLT regardless, makes no sense. Many Blades refer back to not replacing JOC and we’re still no better off.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

Not the only club where the Manager wants sacking!

Sack the useless piece of ....

I'm assuming he gets out the ground :furious:

www.ccmb.co.uk

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Yet we signed Holding as a replacement and have persisted with JLT regardless, makes no sense. Many Blades refer back to not replacing JOC and we’re still no better off.

Not for the first time under his stewardship that we've spent big money on a 4th choice striker when we've needed CBs.

And again, not for the first time, he seems to have some kind of blindness when it comes to dealing with Scousers and trusting them when everyone else can see what he cant. Maybe it's the accent.....

Hopefully he's spent the week in a ayahuasca chamber and got his mojo back for the final few games!!

 

[CornwallBlade]

Fairly easy to build the foundations of a top PL team if you spend 165 million and get the funds for an extra 21 Premier League salaries.

With all of that Cooper managed 1 win in 13 matches and was sacked.

I get that you're not a fan of Wilder but do you think Cooper would do a good job with us? If so, why?

Fair comments and no, I’m not advocating Cooper. He’d be a lazy appointment from the carousel of serial, spend and get sacked in 12 months, group that included Steve Bruce etc. i firmly believe that Wilders time is over and I very much hope the new owners do their homework and find us a fresh talent.

 

[The Fox]

I really hope he isn’t given a shot. Chances of surviving in the PL are few and failure can have dire consequences. The thought of Chrissah blowing another £100m on dross, us being embarrassingly bottom and him stomping out at Christmas? No thanks.

I agree , I didn't say I hope he's given a shot , I said I hope we get over the line ( and consequently) , he'll be given a shot at it.

I just think it's a no win scenario

 

[54yrblade]

I really hope he isn’t given a shot. Chances of surviving in the PL are few and failure can have dire consequences. The thought of Chrissah blowing another £100m on dross, us being embarrassingly bottom and him stomping out at Christmas? No thanks.

Watching the likes of Villa and, having been lucky enough to see European teams and CL in the last few years, puts into sharp perspective where we really are as a club.

Last night, a packed house, total involvement around the ground, TIFO displays and a fantastic performance against a top European team.

That's what we need to aspire to and, sorry, but if anyone thinks that the 'rinse and repeat' policy of bringing CW back because it feels comfortable having 'one of our own in charge' is going to take us forward, come with me while we try to sell ice to Eskimos.

The fact is that, right now, we're miles away from real development as a club, and last night put it into sharp focus for me.

There's far more to it than grandstanding about beating Wednesday and the to and fro about the manager is symptomatic of it too.

 

[Upton_Blade]

You cannot apply logic in debates with irrational Wilder haters. That's your first mistake. They wanted him out before the Oxford game (don't let their current revisionism blind you). If we apply their logic to United going forwards, post Wilder, (surely these people aren't hypocrites so they would apply the same logic as a matter of course ) the Blades job is now the toughest in English football. We are essentially unmanageable: nothing except top position winning almost every game with what they subjectively decree is champagne football is good enough for them. What's right for the goose is right for the gander so that is the new standard THEY must hold too.

All season the new manager would have to navigate a poisonous home crowd, and abusive away fans if we don't win (despite breaking our away record). They'll have their friends and mental health commented on by these same doyens of rectitude. If the new manager fires back at any point (ala Wilder post Oxford away) after running the gauntlet since August they'll then be painted as the Devil incarnate by these same saintly figures.

Any support they receive will be seen as a negative thing and the fans giving that support will be abused too. Nice job the Blades job in that case eh ?

You wear Chris Wilder pajamas don't you .

 

[nopigfansintown]

You wear Chris Wilder pajamas don't you .

Or I apply logic and common sense . Besides they fit better than you Danny Rohl jim jams. Too many sausage Rohls?

 

[Upton_Blade]

Or I apply logic and common sense. Besides they fit better than you Danny Rohl jim jams.

Neither of those are true but on you go lad .

 

[nopigfansintown]

Neither of those are true but on you go lad .

You started it. Don't start crying because I had a little dig back. Try a counter argument rather than a dig next time

 

[Upton_Blade]

You started it. Don't start crying because I had a little dig back. Try a counter argument rather than a dig next time

Crying

 

[nopigfansintown]

Crying

Rather than questioning my logic you insulted me and then cried when I did the same in response. It's right there in the above posts. In debate the convention is that the one that starts the insults loses because they have no argument. For the avoidance of doubt that was you. Anyway let's move on: I'm not getting paid for educating you.

 

[Upton_Blade]

Rather than questioning my logic you insulted me and then cried when I did the same in response. It's right there in the above posts. In debate the convention is that the one that starts the insults loses because they have no argument. For the avoidance of doubt that was you. Anyway let's move on: I'm not getting paid for educating you.

No need for education here and for the avoidance of doubt I actually don't want Wilder out. I just want him to find his bollocks again and give us the sort of performances he did during his 1st spell. With the squad we have that's really not too much to ask.

 

[Speedracer]

Because he hides in the shadows, where Chrissah’s ego wants him to be. Can’t blame him now if he never was allowed to be in the spotlight when things were better?

Oh I am not blaming him per se, & I agree that CW takes responsibility overall, just saying that presumably CW takes advice from Knilly on set up & tactics.

 

[Montymagic]

it’s embarrassing to see. We’re 3rd in the table, way higher than anyone expected this year. We’ve had 3 really cruel games and so many fans have just completely spat the dummy out. Who on earth do you think would do a better job with this squad? How totally delusional do you have to be to think this team should be higher than what it is? It makes us look pathetic.

Sorry wilder.

 

[sitwell]

Evening Chris

Hi Dejphon.

 

[Youngand70]

Not for the first time under his stewardship that we've spent big money on a 4th choice striker when we've needed CBs.

And again, not for the first time, he seems to have some kind of blindness when it comes to dealing with Scousers and trusting them when everyone else can see what he cant. Maybe it's the accent.....

Hopefully he's spent the week in a ayahuasca chamber and got his mojo back for the final few games!!

Wilder's father is a scouser so it's in the blood

 

[Addison]

The reality is the points total to date is now irrelevant. We have a mini league to achieve promotion that is likely to include play off games. As for this being an unusual year its not. Last year 3 teams were competing with points totals into the nineties and the pigs a few seasons ago finished on third with 96 points.

Formation and style of play have to be reviewed. The biggest criticism levelled at the manager is he is system obsessed, has no plan B and plays his favourites irrespective of how poorly they perform Robinson being the prime example. At a time when cool heads are needed CW does not help himself with his ill timed PR comments and his actions post match at Plymouth. Its sets the narrative we have crumbled, his word, under pressure and that feeds down to the players and supporters alike.

A reset is needed starting with the pre match press conference where there needs to be an acknowledgement that mistakes have been made and a rallying call for Cardiff. We don't need to hear again we've got 85 points. It would be preferable if it was a short presser as CW's ramblings in the last few give the impression this is a man feeling the pressure. He should listen to his media team for once. It would help his cause if he explained there should be no panic as he's been in this situation before with Oxford where the wheels came off and he recovered to win his one and only play off final.

We still have a very good chance of going up but those who have lost faith and that is a considerable number need to see a sea change in attitude on and off the field to restore confidence.