The Crab
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I’ll be honest I thought Luton would up up and around us. I didn’t imagine them being this poor
People calling for wilder to go…
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MayorOJC
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Can't be Chris, he hasn't called anyone a leftie yet
bladeinspaceandtime
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Not a case of wanting him to go. I didn’t want him back at the club in the first place, given the way he threw his teddies out of the pram last time.
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Same, I imagine most thought similar.
We will forever be
and this is the issue he’s a devisive figure and separates the fan base
Nick Jansky
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Yep. I can imagine fights between Blades before the season ends, there certainly weee towards the end of Bassett’s time, & it’s never good when that happens.
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17.3% predicted automatic promotion.
There was a separate option for champions, so about 22% of us actually predicted us to go up automatically.
Nick Jansky
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And a minority expected us to do worse than make the play offs, so we are actually going to finish where the majority expected, I.e. top 6.
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I know CW is the public figurehead of our club & he makes the decisions re team etc, but I haven't yet seen anyone question Knilly's position in all this "crap" football we are playing. I haven't read every thread so maybe I have missed it, but as he is our acknowledged tactician I find it interesting that he has completely avoided criticism of our style of play. Why would that be, do you think?
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Well said,“cruel games” define cruel?
Cruel implies we were in with a shout, and cruelly lost. Reality is we were absolutely disgusting in every single one, losing to two teams around the bottom of the league, one in and around the play offs.
Who’d do a better job? Here’s three:
Cooper
Manning
Rosenior
We’d be higher. If we hadn’t completely bottled it against the bottom of the league (with the worse defence in the league), another team around the bottom (also a shite defence) and a team in and around the play offs (with players nowhere near ours in quality).
Is it delusion, or truth?
To paraphrase all of our missus "it's not what you lost, it's how you lost it.
You're right. At the start of the season quite a few fans understood the team was fairly new and expectations maybe weren't at the height of auto promotion however we've since spent quite a lot of time in auto spots, we had 3 games against teams we would expect to win against. We had the potential to not only increase the gap between us and 3rd but keep the pressure on a Leeds that we're dropping points.
These 3 losses aren't the end of the world but they are likely the end of our auto hopes and they've forced a lot of us to acknowledge that despite the position, quite a bloody lot of our wins have been won but only just. You then start to question if the man in charge who managed to crumble at a crucial stage in our season could realistically attempt to go toe to toe with the bottom half of the Prem nevermind the top half. For me, sadly that answers no.
You're right. At the start of the season quite a few fans understood the team was fairly new and expectations maybe weren't at the height of auto promotion however we've since spent quite a lot of time in auto spots, we had 3 games against teams we would expect to win against. We had the potential to not only increase the gap between us and 3rd but keep the pressure on a Leeds that we're dropping points.
These 3 losses aren't the end of the world but they are likely the end of our auto hopes and they've forced a lot of us to acknowledge that despite the position, quite a bloody lot of our wins have been won but only just. You then start to question if the man in charge who managed to crumble at a crucial stage in our season could realistically attempt to go toe to toe with the bottom half of the Prem nevermind the top half. For me, sadly that answers no.
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What have any of the above achieved i. Their managerial career?
Rosenior - well backed and missed the play offs with Hull. Now doing well in France at a well backed club. No prior promotions.
Manning - jumped between clubs and has Bristol C currently in the Play Off spots. No prior promotions.
Cooper - promoted via the Play Offs with Forest beating us on pens after we totally outplayed them at home. Stayed up by the skin of his teeth after one of the most outrageous recruitment efforts ever by a club (30+ players?). Sacked the following season. Lasted 15 games at Leicester.
Appreciate football is about opinions. But how are they better bets than Wilder? 4 promotions, two with us. League Manager of the Year, League Two Manager of the Year, League One Manager of the Year, Championship Manager of the Year, 9th placed PL finish which would surely have been higher but for COVID.
Wilder has simply a far better CV and a far greater list of achievements. That’s being objective. If you were a recruiter and the 4 applied for a job, objectively you’d pick Wilder.
The call for change needs to stop. We’ve 4 matches then at least 2 more, hopefully 3. Focus has to be on those. Still a chance we beat all our prior promotion points totals.
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Adkins was something different. So was Robson. So was Weir. So was Heath.
Beat finish we’ve experienced since one Bassett season is under Wilder.
This something different is invariably going to be something worse after not too long.
This is still arguably a transitional season with all the changes that had to be made. The fact we are still achieving through that is a minor miracle. Losing Souttar and Arblaster were hammer blows. Either of them not being injured and we’d be up already. Neither of the other two have experienced that. It would be like Brownhill and Esteve being out at Burnley and James and Strujik being out all season at Leeds. We can’t ignore this. Though I see Leeds have lost the latter. Let’s hope their defence struggles.
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If Souttar had not got injured we would now be 10 points clear of Leeds and Burnley
It's his squad, he's assembled it. And spent some cash as well!
Probably, but he brought Cannon in instead of a CB, brought Holiding in, but he couldn't remove Captain Fantastic! And he's been sat on his arse watching watching Robinsons numerous fuck ups!
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How much did he spend at Swansea and Forest the year they were promoted?
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And how many of those achievements have been after he's completely lost his bottle re the way his team plays?
I loved Wilder during his 1st stint but IMHO that 2nd season in The Prem has ruined him and last season just exasperated the situation. Gone is the front foot, swashbuckling attacking football we saw and it's been replaced by an defensive, timid style that has prioritised not conceding over trying to outscore the opposition. This was probably OK from a tactics perspective when we had Soutter but once we didn't it was never going to be sustainable.
The worst thing for me is that we have the players to play the way we used to but for some unknown reason Wilder doesn't seem to want to let them off the leash.
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keepcool gaffer keep calm is my message do your talking on the pitch and stop getting wound up get a grip people want you out so get play offs won
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Already starting on here. The abuse you get if you out say anything against St Chris is almost cultish. Nothing wrong with having a different opinion or challenging an existing one but to be abusive? Really?
First time in a long time I’ve found myself questioning whether I offer anything to things on here.
I need to find other things to do I think
Last season United conceded 100 goals. Some of them were quality goals, but many weren't. The latter were the kind of sloppy goals which can be conceded at any level. Bearing that in mind, it was natural that the first thing Wilder would do is concentrate on having a solid defence, and that is what he has done.
To me, United's way of playing has been that of a non-parachute club, one which has spent some cash and is having a go. It's the Karanka method, where you keep things tight and rely on quality players to get a goal, rather than playing like a parachute club which has better players than its opponent. The problem is that Karanka's plan comes unstuck if one or more quality players is lost.
So, the question is, is this United team good enough to play more like a Leeds or a Burnley, or, say, a Leicester or a Southampton from last season's Championship? Wilder obviously thinks not, but what do you think?
To me, United's way of playing has been that of a non-parachute club, one which has spent some cash and is having a go. It's the Karanka method, where you keep things tight and rely on quality players to get a goal, rather than playing like a parachute club which has better players than its opponent. The problem is that Karanka's plan comes unstuck if one or more quality players is lost.
So, the question is, is this United team good enough to play more like a Leeds or a Burnley, or, say, a Leicester or a Southampton from last season's Championship? Wilder obviously thinks not, but what do you think?
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Yep, in fact this was the majority vote, so we have far exceeded expectations.
17.3% predicted automatic promotion.
Should Have Done Better [7th-12th] - Votes 18434 - 34.2%
Total rebuild and lots of youth players to get up to first team standard. Soutter and Arblaster huge loses. So I'm still very much in the Wilder camp. Anyone who isn't needs to be realistic about expectations. It's becoming a bit like Man Utd entitled fans. Everyone knows anyone can beat anyone in the Championship especially at this time of year when survival depends on it.
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Cruel? We completely bottled all three games and we were completely spineless.
You would have thought we would have played Leeds, Burnley Sunderland
No excuses at all for Wilder or the team.
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This isn't what I've seen tbf.
"Anything" is very broad. Loads is said against Wilder that is broadly agreed upon and not challenged. However, the forum has been awash with posts (some from pigs and WUMs, admittedly) saying reactionary and stupid things about Wilder which deserve to be pushed back on.
Stop using all this facts and sense talk, it won't go down well!
Torrix1889
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Expectations mean fuck all. Reality does.
We found ourselves in pole position, clear by 2 points and now, 3 games later we are 5 points adrift, (technically 6 including goal diff) including losing against the bottom side.
The fact that we have exceeded a few fans pre-season expectations doesn't give Wilder a free pass. He's bottled it, end of.
Not sure. These days it's very hard to get exact figures with lots of "undisclosed" fees.
For example Cooper bought Emmanuel Dennis from Watford a couple of years ago (Yes that Emmanuel Dennis who can't even make the Blackburn matchday squad these days). Some sources give the fee as 20 million and some as 10 million.
I would hazard a guess that Cooper spent more in Forest's promotion season to the Premier league than Wilder spent in ours. Our only significant transfer fees that year were Brooks out to Bournemouth and Egan in from Brentford which I'd say put us in quite a bit of credit.
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Cooper took Swansea to the play offs playing some good stuff, took Forest from the bottom of the league to promotion, and has a good track record working with younger players as shown winning with England.
He clearly didn't sign many of Forest's players in that first Prem season and his replacement at Leicester has done even worse.
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