People calling for wilder to go…

[petcharlie]

Fairly easy to build the foundations of a top PL team if you spend 165 million and get the funds for an extra 21 Premier League salaries.

With all of that Cooper managed 1 win in 13 matches and was sacked.

I get that you're not a fan of Wilder but do you think Cooper would do a good job with us? If so, why?

I agree the main thing we have been short of in the last few years is CASH. Without that life in the prem just is not on .

 

[54yrblade]

The reality is the points total to date is now irrelevant. We have a mini league to achieve promotion that is likely to include play off games. As for this being an unusual year its not. Last year 3 teams were competing with points totals into the nineties and the pigs a few seasons ago finished on third with 96 points.

Formation and style of play have to be reviewed. The biggest criticism levelled at the manager is he is system obsessed, has no plan B and plays his favourites irrespective of how poorly they perform Robinson being the prime example. At a time when cool heads are needed CW does not help himself with his ill timed PR comments and his actions post match at Plymouth. Its sets the narrative we have crumbled, his word, under pressure and that feeds down to the players and supporters alike.

A reset is needed starting with the pre match press conference where there needs to be an acknowledgement that mistakes have been made and a rallying call for Cardiff. We don't need to hear again we've got 85 points. It would be preferable if it was a short presser as CW's ramblings in the last few give the impression this is a man feeling the pressure. He should listen to his media team for once. It would help his cause if he explained there should be no panic as he's been in this situation before with Oxford where the wheels came off and he recovered to win his one and only play off final.

We still have a very good chance of going up but those who have lost faith and that is a considerable number need to see a sea change in attitude on and off the field to restore confidence.

Excellent post!

 

[KOPPO]

true fact is gaffer the blades are not ready to go up they need a new defence its shocking the poor goals that are being conceded

 

[robbiez666]

A reset is needed starting with the pre match press conference where there needs to be an acknowledgement that mistakes have been made and a rallying call for Cardiff

More chance of Wednesday making the play-offs

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Although I don’t agree with calling for Chris Wilders head…I do understand why some people are.

 

[Champagneblade]

Although I don’t agree with calling for Chris Wilders head…I do understand why some people are.

Because they haven’t been paying attention regarding the history of Sheffield United.

Only two people since 1990 have managed to get us promoted to the Premier League and keep us there.

One of them is the current manager.

If you want to swap and we’ll invariably end up with Robson, Adkins, Jokanovic, Weir, Clough, Blackwell, Adams appointments then be my guest.

We’ve had about 20 managerial appointment starting in the Bassett days and 20% of those have got us promoted to the top flight and only 10% shown an ability to keep us there.

All in all means there is every chance the next guy is part of the 80% that fail.

Under Wilder I can foresee we’ll always be competitive. Others have shown that isn’t a guarantee.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Because they haven’t been paying attention regarding the history of Sheffield United.

Only two people since 1990 have managed to get us promoted to the Premier League and keep us there.

One of them is the current manager.

If you want to swap and we’ll invariably end up with Robson, Adkins, Jokanovic, Weir, Clough, Blackwell, Adams appointments then be my guest.

We’ve had about 20 managerial appointment starting in the Bassett days and 20% of those have got us promoted to the top flight and only 10% shown an ability to keep us there.

All in all means there is every chance the next guy is part of the 80% that fail.

Under Wilder I can foresee we’ll always be competitive. Others have shown that isn’t a guarantee.

If you read “Mucky Boots” by Kevin McCabe & Peter Beeby you will gain a better understanding of Sheffield United’s history, particularly regarding the process around managerial recruitment under the last two owners. And what an inept, knee jerk “process” it was.

But history isn’t always destined to repeat itself, particularly under new ownership, and I expect the process to be far more professional in future. Time to look forwards.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Because they haven’t been paying attention regarding the history of Sheffield United.

Only two people since 1990 have managed to get us promoted to the Premier League and keep us there.

One of them is the current manager.

If you want to swap and we’ll invariably end up with Robson, Adkins, Jokanovic, Weir, Clough, Blackwell, Adams appointments then be my guest.

We’ve had about 20 managerial appointment starting in the Bassett days and 20% of those have got us promoted to the top flight and only 10% shown an ability to keep us there.

All in all means there is every chance the next guy is part of the 80% that fail.

Under Wilder I can foresee we’ll always be competitive. Others have shown that isn’t a guarantee.

At some point we might make the right decision though and not just fall into a poor replacement.

In my 35 years of being a Blades fan the main 3 managers we’ve been successful(in Blades terms) under have been Bassett, Warnock and Wilder.

We’ve also had the odd manager doing a good job but only briefly Spackman and Kendall come to mind, Speed may have gone on to be decent but he was offered a way out. The chairmen for these people were mental though and we saw them off quickly.

We get into this loop of needing these managers who ‘just get it’ to rest every few years, a different direction might not hurt.

 

[JJBlade]

You cannot apply logic in debates with irrational Wilder haters. That's your first mistake. They wanted him out before the Oxford game (don't let their current revisionism blind you). If we apply their logic to United going forwards, post Wilder, (surely these people aren't hypocrites so they would apply the same logic as a matter of course ) the Blades job is now the toughest in English football. We are essentially unmanageable: nothing except top position winning almost every game with what they subjectively decree is champagne football is good enough for them. What's right for the goose is right for the gander so that is the new standard THEY must hold too.

All season the new manager would have to navigate a poisonous home crowd, and abusive away fans if we don't win (despite breaking our away record). They'll have their friends and mental health commented on by these same doyens of rectitude. If the new manager fires back at any point (ala Wilder post Oxford away) after running the gauntlet since August they'll then be painted as the Devil incarnate by these same saintly figures.

Any support they receive will be seen as a negative thing and the fans giving that support will be abused too. Nice job the Blades job in that case eh ?

I don't want Wilder out, I've never asked or demanded that he is sacked
But that is because no other manager but a fan boy will work at this club.

Never has since the late 90's, never will again.

Wilder like a fairly large group of our fans know their place, they are subordinate, success is for others.

 

[Jimmy Fleck]

Because they haven’t been paying attention regarding the history of Sheffield United.

Only two people since 1990 have managed to get us promoted to the Premier League and keep us there.

One of them is the current manager.

If you want to swap and we’ll invariably end up with Robson, Adkins, Jokanovic, Weir, Clough, Blackwell, Adams appointments then be my guest.

We’ve had about 20 managerial appointment starting in the Bassett days and 20% of those have got us promoted to the top flight and only 10% shown an ability to keep us there.

All in all means there is every chance the next guy is part of the 80% that fail.

Under Wilder I can foresee we’ll always be competitive. Others have shown that isn’t a guarantee.

the difference is a new manager would be given the actual funds they need to build a team they want, rather than have to work with a limited budget

 

[Frank the tank]

Watching the likes of Villa and, having been lucky enough to see European teams and CL in the last few years, puts into sharp perspective where we really are as a club.

Last night, a packed house, total involvement around the ground, TIFO displays and a fantastic performance against a top European team.

That's what we need to aspire to and, sorry, but if anyone thinks that the 'rinse and repeat' policy of bringing CW back because it feels comfortable having 'one of our own in charge' is going to take us forward, come with me while we try to sell ice to Eskimos.

The fact is that, right now, we're miles away from real development as a club, and last night put it into sharp focus for me.

There's far more to it than grandstanding about beating Wednesday and the to and fro about the manager is symptomatic of it too.

So we should aspire to be one of the historically biggest clubs in the country with two billionaire owners pumping an endless waterfall of cash into the club.
Why stop there why not aspire to be real. Madrid and win fifteen Champions leagues or to have a team of twenty foot tall cyborgs with laser guided goal scoring left feet ?

 

[Bennyand the Blades]

OK, so, 1
if we do get promotion this season, just how would you think the present team would perform in the Prem ?
I may be just guessing here, but I'd say probably not as bad as last seasons. but not much better
That is unless we get the time to (Greatly) improve the present squad in certain positions.
2
Some on here definitely don't believe Mr Wilder is capable of doing this because his two big money striker signings have been flops so far,
one because of injuries and the other a big disappointment in front of goal, .
Had both performed to their expected level, I very much doubt we would be having the disagreements we've had of late.
3
As thing stand though, and if we don't get Promotion this season, could it be a blessing in disguise ?
Could it give us the time we need to build and blend a team that could stay up there for once ,,,,,

 

[10-0 win]

Could easily change from having a manager to a more coachminded set up. The traditional english manager with hands on almost everything is more or less gone in the PL. Think new owners will head towards Brighton Brentford etc.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Could easily change from having a manager to a more coachminded set up. The traditional english manager with hands on almost everything is more or less gone in the PL. Think new owners will head towards Brighton Brentford etc.

Hopefully.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Before the season started, I had us finishing anywhere between 4th and 8th, same with Burnley as both of us had big rebuild jobs to do this season.

I didn't think we'd get top 2, I thought Leeds and Luton would get top 2 in either order, as a strong Leeds squad only just missed out last season and Luton (who hadn't spent much of their PL money) came down in a stronger position (off the field) than us and Burnley.

I don't think any of us predicted just how poor Luton would be this season (especially with the squad they have), and they still aren't safe yet.

Also, I don't think people who predicted us for top 2 last summer are necessarily angry/upset that we're set to miss out on autos because they predicted us to do better.

It's more because we've spent so long in the top 2 this season and now look set to miss out at the final push that hurts, especially as we've gone top of the pile several times.

Add too the fact when haven't taken a point off 2 poor sides and 1 average side at the final furlong stage of the race too the Premiership.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

It will get louder if he rinses and repeats, what we have seen in the last three games.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

OK, so, 1
if we do get promotion this season, just how would you think the present team would perform in the Prem ?
I may be just guessing here, but I'd say probably not as bad as last seasons. but not much better
That is unless we get the time to (Greatly) improve the present squad in certain positions.
2
Some on here definitely don't believe Mr Wilder is capable of doing this because his two big money striker signings have been flops so far,
one because of injuries and the other a big disappointment in front of goal, .
Had both performed to their expected level, I very much doubt we would be having the disagreements we've had of late.
3
As thing stand though, and if we don't get Promotion this season, could it be a blessing in disguise ?
Could it give us the time we need to build and blend a team that could stay up there for once ,,,,,

Relegated by Christmas about £5 million in fines and at least 3 touchline bans..

 

[GymClassHero]

For me the position is fair, my issue is our football is absolutely horrid to watch and he's absolutely woeful at spending money.

This is a pretty good summary tbh.

3rd place is entirely reasonable given the two who are above us, it's the manner of our performances, the inexplicable use of transfer funds to bring in a (so far) poor striker and not replace our star defender, and last but not least the audacity to criticize paying fans, in the process further alienating them and creating an issue.

It is time for a change. I genuinely feel Chris has taken us as far as he can but I'd be happy to eat my words.

 

[loyalblade95]

Add too the fact when haven't taken a point off 2 poor sides and 1 average side at the final furlong stage of the race too the Premiership.

Oxford, always going to be tricky as their home form is good, just very poor away form.

Plymouth might be bottom of the league, but that's more because of their away form than their home form.

Both of them have got better home form than Pigs and Hull, who are the two worst home performing sides in the league.

Should we be beating those 2 teams if we want autos, definitely yes, but we haven't so we've just got to get over it and move on.

Millwall, average side?

No, they are good organised team in form, both before and after they played us, who are charging towards the playoffs and have every chance of getting 6th on the last day, plus they're the only team to beat all of the top 3 this season, and they still have to play Burnley again.

Should we be beating them if we want autos, at very least we should be drawing with teams like Millwall.

 

[Davalon]

It's only a matter of time before some are clamouring for Billy to come back as gaffer.

 

[Nick Jansky]

It's only a matter of time before some are clamouring for Billy to come back as gaffer.

It’s already been mentioned a few times. Not by anyone sensible though.

 

[Bennyand the Blades]

Could easily change from having a manager to a more coachminded set up. The traditional english manager with hands on almost everything is more or less gone in the PL. Think new owners will head towards Brighton Brentford etc.

Well the new owners are Americans .
Funny how back when I was a lad, a dollar was slang for 5 Shilling .....

 

[Davalon]

Well the new owners are Americans .
Funny how back when I was a lad, a dollar was slang for 5 Shilling .....

 

[DI36O]

Expectations mean fuck all. Reality does.

We found ourselves in pole position, clear by 2 points and now, 3 games later we are 5 points adrift, (technically 6 including goal diff) including losing against the bottom side.

The fact that we have exceeded a few fans pre-season expectations doesn't give Wilder a free pass. He's bottled it, end of.

You think if Forest finish outside the champions league spots the Forest fans will want Nuno gone? He'd have bottled it, end of.
Extreme example but shows how absurd your black and white thinking is.

 

[Torrix1889]

You think if Forest finish outside the champions league spots the Forest fans will want Nuno gone? He'd have bottled it, end of.
Extreme example but shows how absurd your black and white thinking is.

Absurd comparison.

 

[Champagneblade]

If you read “Mucky Boots” by Kevin McCabe & Peter Beeby you will gain a better understanding of Sheffield United’s history, particularly regarding the process around managerial recruitment under the last two owners. And what an inept, knee jerk “process” it was.

But history isn’t always destined to repeat itself, particularly under new ownership, and I expect the process to be far more professional in future. Time to look forwards.

I do mean to read that.

It’s interesting when Benjamin Bloom does he pre-season predictions. Often he’ll point out managerial stability as one of the key factors for success.

Those that retain continuity tend to do better.

 

[Blacksea]

Fairly easy to build the foundations of a top PL team if you spend 165 million and get the funds for an extra 21 Premier League salaries.

With all of that Cooper managed 1 win in 13 matches and was sacked.

I get that you're not a fan of Wilder but do you think Cooper would do a good job with us? If so, why?

I thought Wilder himself recommended Cooper as his replacement after he walked.

 

[Nick Jansky]

I do mean to read that.

It’s interesting when Benjamin Bloom does he pre-season predictions. Often he’ll point out managerial stability as one of the key factors for success.

Those that retain continuity tend to do better.

That kind of depends on whether a club needs some sort of reset. I would argue that continuity is far more important at Director of Football level, as Brighton have very ably demonstrated.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Don’t do it…Simple really

 

[Nick Jansky]

Don’t do it…Simple really

So you’re saying people shouldn’t voice their opinions?