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You find one for us then!Brighton whose owner Tony Bloom has put more than half a billion into the club. Yep we should follow their plan and get a rich owner
Yeah after Leicester went into administration in 2002, shafting all their suppliers to the tune of £30m+, it is only right and proper that they now get to sit on a very high horse indeed. (insert irony where appropriate....)Presumably Everton won’t get additional punishment as a 2nd offence? Basically, they should have been relegated once in the last 3-4 years and have cheated, twice, to avoid that scenario. Honestly, If I were Leicester et al, I’d been lining up the litigation lawyers.
Yeah I think so. I can't see that it can wash from an accounting perspective but whether they are hoping that the common sense of demonstrating that selling an asset to aid the sustainability is what the rules should be about. That sounds a little bit too much like common sense though doesn't it.
Ultimately if we get punished for a letter of the law type thing then we have to wear it like we all have to on a weekly basis with VAR.
If the PL accept Forest's argument that they should be allowed to include the Johnson sale and effectively let them 'backdate' it, I can imagine some interesting reactions on the other side of the city.
It doesn't really effect the bottom of the championship so I think youll be OK.How embarrassing is this gonna be, Everton deducted 20 points and Forest 10 points, and we still go down in 20th place
22 years ago. I’m not saying it was right but if we had a right to sue West Ham in 2007, they have a right now.Yeah after Leicester went into administration in 2002, shafting all their suppliers to the tune of £30m+, it is only right and proper that they now get to sit on a very high horse indeed. (insert irony where appropriate....)
Let's be honest, we deserve some reparations from the Premier League!If they put the docked points on to our total we might have a chance of staying up.
Typical Blade, always looking on the bright side.Everton get 10 points deducted and are 2 points behind us with better players. Forest get 10 points deducted and are a point ahead of us with better players.
These presumed deductions may be an advantage for Luton and Burnley, but unless they get put down to zero points, it won't make any difference to us.
Ffs typical Sheffield attitude….Kind of hope not tbh, while the extra money would be nice can't see us spending enough to mangle a team together good enough to stay up without building again with time and more possession we'd get in the championship.
Maybe we should be looking for a Saudi PrinceYou find one for us then!
You haven't "fallen foul" of anything. You have deliberately cheated. Your club thought you'd get away with it. You haven't. Whilst many of your stupid fans bask in the utter recklessness of your spending, the more sensible one's will realise you are another Bolton/Portsmouth waiting to happen. I sincerely hope so.Teams like Forest need to sell 1 player a year to the big boys for £60m+ to be alright.
That model works for a while but it keeps you firmly where you are (losing your best player each year) and when you don't have another one to roll off the production line, you are a bit snookered. We have at least signed a few players who may go for mega money in the future.
So it is a bit ironic that we are the most stacked with assets than we ever have been uet have fallen foul of this, whilst having had decades of being top spenders I the champ with little or no core of saleable assets
This should have thousands of likes, partly down to the absolute brilliance of it all. It’s an absolute shame that people don’t realise it.Just heard the argument that FFP is there to help promoted clubs compete, so bigger clubs can’t spend loads of money like they have been doing for years.
It’s a load of BS, because the very fact most premier league clubs have spent loads of money for years, means promoted sides will likely have to spend more than their means in order to bridge the gap.
The question ought to be, Why are the premier league implementing a system that should have been in place before the gap between the premier league and championship became so big?
Ha ha, there is no way he has put that much in to running Brighton, what they have done is established a scouting network that identifies players that when they then sell them on will generate a substantial profit.Brighton whose owner Tony Bloom has put more than half a billion into the club. Yep we should follow their plan and get a rich owner
Sorry you don't know what you are talking about Just have a quick read and inform yourself This is from a Brighton fans forum https://www.wearebrighton.com/newso...oom,Express Elite Football Performance Centre.Ha ha, there is no way he has put that much in to running Brighton, what they have done is established a scouting network that identifies players that when they then sell them on will generate a substantial profit.
The list is endless, Ben White, Caicedo, MacAllister, Cucurella, Trossard, Bissouma.
The next will possibly be Evan Ferguson.
22/23 showed them a £80m plus transfer profit, 23/24 it will be nearer £100m.
With that sort of success Tony Bloom is most probably taking money out rather than putting it in.
Do you mean before or after 2013 when it was introduced. Only just come to light because clubs have only just been caught for the first time and also this year the change to speed up the process.Just heard the argument that FFP is there to help promoted clubs compete, so bigger clubs can’t spend loads of money like they have been doing for years.
It’s a load of BS, because the very fact most premier league clubs have spent loads of money for years, means promoted sides will likely have to spend more than their means in order to bridge the gap.
The question ought to be, Why are the premier league implementing a system that should have been in place before the gap between the premier league and championship became so big?
Edit - You are conflating "cheating" and financial sustainability.You haven't "fallen foul" of anything. You have deliberately cheated. Your club thought you'd get away with it. You haven't. Whilst many of your stupid fans bask in the utter recklessness of your spending, the more sensible one's will realise you are another Bolton/Portsmouth waiting to happen. I sincerely hope so.
What it doesn't tell you about is how much of that money was spent on buying the club in the first place. Bloom is a businessman, he will have financed, through loans, the purchase of both the club and the building of their new stadium. Which will over a period of time be repaid. I will be amazed if he has invested that sort of money without a return. Otherwise Brighton would have fallen foul of Ffp.Sorry you don't know what you are talking about Just have a quick read and inform yourself This is from a Brighton fans forum https://www.wearebrighton.com/newsopinion/how-tony-bloom-became-a-billionaire-and-turned-brighton-into-top-six-material/#:~:text=That fan is Tony Bloom,Express Elite Football Performance Centre.
Some of it is on the stadium but he regularly has to cover losses of 50 m until recently because of huge salesWhat it doesn't tell you about is how much of that money was spent on buying the club in the first place. Bloom is a businessman, he will have financed, through loans, the purchase of both the club and the building of their new stadium. Which will over a period of time be repaid. I will be amazed if he has invested that sort of money without a return. Otherwise Brighton would have fallen foul of Ffp.
The fact remains, over the last few years their income from player sales is exceeding their expenditure, and has to be a model that clubs like United have to aim for.
Some of it is on the stadium but he regularly has to cover losses of 50 m until recently because of huge sales
Indeed. Look at how well run Brighton are and have been for some time and as good as they are run, they are still limited by the blocks you mention. If Brighton who are possibly the best run club in the UK have very little chance of breaking into that monopoly, then what chance the clubs not run so well? All it does is create a perpetual cycle where the 'bigger clubs' can buy Brighton's best players hoping to knock them off their perch.Unless I've missed something, you can only really spend massive amounts if you have high enough revenue to earn it back. Unless a club spends massive amounts, they're never going to break into the big 6 and become popular enough to earn that revenue back. So there seems little to no chance that anyone will be able to match established big clubs in terms of spending no matter how rich they are.
Man City and Chelsea for instance have countless players out on loan that they've stockpiled and can sell while also gaining loads of revenue off the pitch by being two of the most popular clubs outside of England. How can the clubs below hope to match them financially?
Brighton should be the example that a lot of clubs should be at least trying to follow. Yes Bloom has invested heavily as they basically created a Premier League club when they were in the Championship. They built an infrastructure ready for Prem League with the scouting and recruitment strategies they now have finely honed. As you say, they are now a money making machine to some degree. They got huge compensation for Potter and his backroom staff, and will likely do the same when De Zerbi leaves.What it doesn't tell you about is how much of that money was spent on buying the club in the first place. Bloom is a businessman, he will have financed, through loans, the purchase of both the club and the building of their new stadium. Which will over a period of time be repaid. I will be amazed if he has invested that sort of money without a return. Otherwise Brighton would have fallen foul of Ffp.
The fact remains, over the last few years their income from player sales is exceeding their expenditure, and has to be a model that clubs like United have to aim for.
To get where they are they have had to accumulate a half a billion debtBrighton should be the example that a lot of clubs should be at least trying to follow. Yes Bloom has invested heavily as they basically created a Premier League club when they were in the Championship. They built an infrastructure ready for Prem League with the scouting and recruitment strategies they now have finely honed. As you say, they are now a money making machine to some degree. They got huge compensation for Potter and his backroom staff, and will likely do the same when De Zerbi leaves.
They hold all the cards because they tie their assets up in great contracts and always have replacements lined up for every role at the club, including the non-playing roles.
Yes, no doubt without Bloom it was unlikely to go the same way for Brighton. But you have to look at where they started; they were lower than say the Blades, their stadium was a mess, and the club was a shambles. Clubs could still use them as an example and would likely have the benefit of not having to start way down the pyramid and without the need for a new stadium to contend with.To get where they are they have had to accumulate a half a billion debt
Mostly owed to their chairman who probably won't want it back but how many clubs can follow that model without going out of existence
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