CONFIRMED Iliman Ndiaye signs new contract to 2024

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Will come back to you later

Appreciate that. Thanks. You understand my concern I hope. We don't want this to become a FORUM FACT based just on George Hirst.

 

[LJBlade]

Name one other player/Academy combination who DON'T give game time to those who refuse to sign the new contract offer, other than this George Hirst shit.....please

Man United and Chelsea regularly refuse to send players out on loan unless they sign a new deal. Recent examples being James Garner and Dean Henderson

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Man United and Chelsea regularly refuse to send players out on loan unless they sign a new deal. Recent examples being James Garner and Dean Henderson

Iliman has a deal signed

 

[LJBlade]

Iliman has a deal signed

I don’t understand the question then. Why are you asking about players who’ve refused to sign a new contract?

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I don’t understand the question then. Why are you asking about players who’ve refused to sign a new contract?

I'm being (effectively) told it is absolute common practice across the vast majority of English Clubs that if an Academy player fails to sign a new deal offered before his contract has expired, he will no longer be selected to play for his Academy team. Even though he obviously remains under contract.

I'm therefore being told that this claimed situation with Iliman - that he has refused to sign a new deal, remains under contract under his existing deal, but now won't be picked for SUFC Academy levels is the widespread policy across all English Football Academies.

I'm not saying that's false. I'm just gently challenging it. I'm challenging that anyone would have the detailed knowledge to be definitive about that. And I'm asking for links to reports & evidence. Evidence of kids who have been frozen out because they won't sign a new deal, even though their existing deal is still valid.

I'm asking for evidence of more Ilimans.....

 

[LJBlade]

I'm being (effectively) told it is absolute common practice across the vast majority of English Clubs that if an Academy player fails to sign a new deal offered before his contract has expired, he will no longer be selected to play for his Academy team. Even though he obviously remains under contract.

I'm therefore being told that this claimed situation with Iliman - that he has refused to sign a new deal, remains under contract under his existing deal, but now won't be picked for SUFC Academy levels is the widespread policy across all English Football Academies.

I'm not saying that's false. I'm just gently challenging it. I'm challenging that anyone would have the detailed knowledge to be definitive about that. And I'm asking for links to reports & evidence. Evidence of kids who have been frozen out because they won't sign a new deal, even though their existing deal is still valid.

I'm asking for evidence of more Ilimans.....

Well I’m not sure how my examples don’t work for you then?

For what it’s worth, back when I was more involved in the game this seemed to be fairly common. Whether or not it happened at all clubs I’ve no idea and I obviously can’t provide links to anything. I believe the general idea is that why would you bother putting the time and effort into developing a player who doesn’t want to play for you. It’s better to concentrate on the others

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Well I’m not sure how my examples don’t work for you then?

For what it’s worth, back when I was more involved in the game this seemed to be fairly common. Whether or not it happened at all clubs I’ve no idea and I obviously can’t provide links to anything. I believe the general idea is that why would you bother putting the time and effort into developing a player who doesn’t want to play for you. It’s better to concentrate on the others

Thanks. Very happy to take your word at face value. (But obvs would prefer evidence). To answer your question in the specific....

Sheffield United should continue to develop and play the Sheffield United player Iliman until the end of his Sheffield United contract so that he & they would have a better idea as to whether he will progress with Sheffield United and make a significant contribution to the Sheffield United First Team.

(I don't think there's any suggestion Iliman doesn't want to play for us, he played the other night & he's under contract)

 

[Silent Blade]

Iliman has a deal signed

When?

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

When?

You & me are going around the same circle. We both know that surely. I'm saying he's signed a deal, that's his current deal, his contract. You're saying the universal policy is if he hasn't signed his next deal then he won't be playing under his current deal. I'm saying that's a choice surely. You're saying no it isn't. I've asked for more than George Hirst. No need for you & me to circle much more is there?

 

[Silent Blade]

Appreciate that. Thanks. You understand my concern I hope. We don't want this to become a FORUM FACT based just on George Hirst.

Will try to get in contact with the ex-Academy coach at my work to clarify this

. An example is that in 2011 Jordan Slew was offered a new contract but his agent Mark Rankine advised not to sign it yet, SUFC found out that Fulham wanted to sign him. This dragged on for a while then in August Danny Wilson didnt pick him in the match day squad which infuriated Rankine. Blackburn then stepped in and offered us the fee that was acceptable to us so off he went.

When the George Hirst saga came up (think it was 2017/18 season), he refused to sign the new contract so I asked the ex- Academy coach why Hirst wasnt being picked for the u23s season. He reminded me of the Jordan Slew/Mark Rankine situation and said Academies in general have this policy..no game time if you dont sign the new contract. I thought it sounded unfair but my workmate agrees but said it is a waste of time having an Academy if they dont have tough policies. Mental health is rife in Academies but players and parents should be aware of the rules when it comes to signing for an Academy. Maybe rules have changed since then but when it was saif that Ndiaye refused to sign the NEW contract offer then I remembered what I had discussed with the ex-Academy coach

 

[Silent Blade]

You & me are going around the same circle. We both know that surely. I'm saying he's signed a deal, that's his current deal, his contract. You're saying the universal policy is if he hasn't signed his next deal then he won't be playing under his current deal. I'm saying that's a choice surely. You're saying no it isn't. I've asked for more than George Hirst. No need for you & me to circle much more is there?

No, you tell me when he signed the current contract. You were aware of this so you know more than me

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

No, you tell me when he signed the current contract. You were aware of this so you know more than me

Aahh got you. Don't know. He must be under contract though. He played v Derby

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Will try to get in contact with the ex-Academy coach at my work to clarify this

. An example is that in 2011 Jordan Slew was offered a new contract but his agent Mark Rankine advised not to sign it yet, SUFC found out that Fulham wanted to sign him. This dragged on for a while then in August Danny Wilson didnt pick him in the match day squad which infuriated Rankine. Blackburn then stepped in and offered us the fee that was acceptable to us so off he went.

When the George Hirst saga came up (think it was 2017/18 season), he refused to sign the new contract so I asked the ex- Academy coach why Hirst wasnt being picked for the u23s season. He reminded me of the Jordan Slew/Mark Rankine situation and said Academies in general have this policy..no game time if you dont sign the new contract. I thought it sounded unfair but my workmate agrees but said it is a waste of time having an Academy if they dont have tough policies. Mental health is rife in Academies but players and parents should be aware of the rules when it comes to signing for an Academy. Maybe rules have changed since then but when it was saif that Ndiaye refused to sign the NEW contract offer then I remembered what I had discussed with the ex-Academy coach

No. Leave it mate. Happy to have had your insight. Don't want to have unnecessary hares running. I'm just getting ratty because it sounds crazy.

 

[Not_a_Cheat]

1st of July to 28th of August. We offered him the job mid June. I don't know what I'm getting at, you figure it out

 

[Silent Blade]

Aahh got you. Don't know. He must be under contract though. He played v Derby

Guesswork then?

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Guesswork then?

Sorry. Where are you on that one? Isn't it received wisdom that he's entered the last year of his deal, been offered another deal to extend, and hasn't signed?

 

[Silent Blade]

Sorry. Where are you on that one? Isn't it received wisdom that he's entered the last year of his deal, been offered another deal to extend, and hasn't signed?

When you said Iliman is under contract to us, does that mean adamawdhali is wrong when he posted the below? I dont know if this is true but I have known about the policy for years and assumed that the policy hasnt changed in last few years? It doesnt mean I agree with the policy

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

When you said Iliman is under contract to us, does that mean adamawdhali is wrong when he posted the below? I dont know if this is true but I have known about the policy for years and assumed that the policy hasnt changed in last few years? It doesnt mean I agree with the policy

View attachment 119918

Sorry mate. You've lost me now. All I can do is tell the story others are telling.

He's under contract. He's been offered a new one. He's not signed it. He hadn't (past tense) appeared in squads. The claim was the club had decided not to pick him. And YOU said that's perfectly normal procedure followed by all Academies.

I have nothing to offer as to whether any of that is true. But that's the story being told isn't it?

 

[robbiez666]

When you said Iliman is under contract to us, does that mean adamawdhali is wrong when he posted the below? I dont know if this is true but I have known about the policy for years and assumed that the policy hasnt changed in last few years? It doesnt mean I agree with the policy

View attachment 119918

his contract expires in 2022

Basically, clubs don't want to send young players out on loan with less than a year left on a contract for the obvious reason they could do well and then sign for someone else.

 

[Silent Blade]

Sorry mate. You've lost me now. All I can do is tell the story others are telling.

He's under contract. He's been offered a new one. He's not signed it. He hadn't (past tense) appeared in squads. The claim was the club had decided not to pick him. And YOU said that's perfectly normal procedure followed by all Academies.

I have nothing to offer as to whether any of that is true. But that's the story being told isn't it?

See robbiez666 's reply above. It appears that he still hasnt signed the new contract (Gordon, Lopata and Brunt have signed theirs this summer) yet despite adamawdhali claiming that Ndiaye will sign after he has played in a game.

 

[Silent Blade]

his contract expires in 2022

Basically, clubs don't want to send young players out on loan with less than a year left on a contract for the obvious reason they could do well and then sign for someone else.

Thank you

 

[robbiez666]

Thank you

That's my understanding anyway. I'm no expert.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

See robbiez666 's reply above. It appears that he still hasnt signed the new contract (Gordon, Lopata and Brunt have signed theirs this summer) yet despite adamawdhali claiming that Ndiaye will sign after he has played in a game.

Right got you. I interpret it more as.......

Iliman wants to see how things develop, whether the new manager fancies him, how close he appears to be to the Matchday squad, whether major signings are made making him further from the squad. And is keeping his options open before deciding whether to commit or not.

Rather than strictly interpret it as "will sign once he's played once".

Does that help? (I think what he's doing is sensible btw)

 

[Silent Blade]

Right got you. I interpret it more as.......

Iliman wants to see how things develop, whether the new manager fancies him, how close he appears to be to the Matchday squad, whether major signings are made making him further from the squad. And is keeping his options open before deciding whether to commit or not.

Rather than strictly interpret it as "will sign once he's played once".

Does that help? (I think what he's doing is sensible btw)

Clubs dont allow Academy products out on loan until the player signs the new contract offer by the club. Are the Academy products allowed to say "will sign once he's played once"?

Regan Slater's dad is kicking off in social media claiming that we should let Regan go. Why hasnt he been given game time yet this season so far? In contrast Tyler Smith hasnt been moaning about the club in social media. Tyler played against Carlisle for us two weeks ago and now he has joined Hull.

 

[adamawdhali]

Clubs dont allow Academy products out on loan until the player signs the new contract offer by the club. Are the Academy products allowed to say "will sign once he's played once"?

Regan Slater's dad is kicking off in social media claiming that we should let Regan go. Why hasnt he been given game time yet this season so far? In contrast Tyler Smith hasnt been moaning about the club in social media. Tyler played against Carlisle for us two weeks ago and now he has joined Hull.

regan slater is injured

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Clubs dont allow Academy products out on loan until the player signs the new contract offer by the club. Are the Academy products allowed to say "will sign once he's played once"?

Regan Slater's dad is kicking off in social media claiming that we should let Regan go. Why hasnt he been given game time yet this season so far? In contrast Tyler Smith hasnt been moaning about the club in social media. Tyler played against Carlisle for us two weeks ago and now he has joined Hull.

You're still losing me. Which bit of my interpretation is giving you gyp?

 

[Silent Blade]

regan slater is injured

Wasnt aware, thanks. Regan's dad could have said that Regan is injured rather than slagging the club off

 

[Silent Blade]

You're still losing me. Which bit of my interpretation is giving you gyp?

I give up!

You said in a thread you are not a Sheffield United fan but a fan of watching Sheffield United.

It is fair to say that we are not on the same planet!

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I give up!

You said in a thread you are not a Sheffield United fan but a fan of watching Sheffield United.

It is fair to say that we are not on the same planet!

I'm fucking blue in the face here.....

Iliman is currently our player. I see no reason why he shouldn't be picked at first team level if he convinces the manager in training or in Academy games that he could do the job & is worth his place.

Fuck Sake. Why is that remotely "controversial"?

 

[Silent Blade]

I'm fucking blue in the face here.....

Iliman is currently our player. I see no reason why he shouldn't be picked at first team level if he convinces the manager in training or in Academy games that he could do the job & is worth his place.

Fuck Sake. Why is that remotely "controversial"?

adamawdhali claimed he was blocked from playing because he didnt sign the contract offer, not me!

For the last 10 years I was aware of the policy that I have explained to you! Dont know if this has changed since the George Hirst saga!