Chris Wilder new contract

[Yoonited]

There seems to be a blind belief that foreign= modern, progressive, tactically astute, inventive, good in the transfer market. British = parochial, backwards, insular, anti intellectual, long ball, resistant to change, dinosaurs, pashun merchants blah blah.

The guy managing us invented and implemented arguably the most tactically innovative way of playing this century - you'd think this would give at least some pause for thought and reflection. To question that premise. If not about British coaches at large, at least about the current management staff. His team (that, lest we forget, remains only partially rebuilt) is playing in a radically different way to last season and sits in second despite an injury crisis, and the general enforced ad hoc nature of it all.

Renaissance man Slav was "thrown under the bus" whilst Wilder is a dinosaur because he has totally changed the formation and results whilst getting a paper thin squad second by January. He's clearly been too successful for his own good, and is now a victim of his own success.

Will there ever come a day when we let go of the past I wonder.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Probably aimed at me so I will respond. The wording of foreign = progressive and British = dated is incorrect and I absolutely agree that being outside the UK has no reflection on the qualities you possess as a manager. The argument that 'foreign doesn't work' came from the 'we can't try anything different' camp who always spout Slav as the reason why we should never try anything different or more progressive, which is quite frankly a fucking thick POV.

Any progressive manager of any nationality I would welcome. Restricting ourselves to the small confines of Yorkshire or England and choosing managers because they 'get the club' is restrictive and not progressive. It keeps us in this mould of scrappy underdogs.

Back onto Wilder we are not playing radically different, we are playing Hull instead of Liverpool. The Quality is radically different which has allowed us not to pinned against our goal for 90 mins. The way we play has not changed. Wilder version 1 was absolutely fantastic, Wilder version 2 is efficient at grinding result at this level.

Not aimed at anyone. We have totally changed the shape of the team so its axiomatic and frankly unarguable that we are playing radically differently.

I agree that the quality is radically different in the Prem. The logical extension of that is that any formation in the premier league we could play, with our budget, would likely be ruthlessly exposed due to inferior player quality. Hipster manager Russell Martin has had a lot of success with his "Pep ball" after all. "Innovator" Steve Cooper spent £200 million plus and got his P45. The football hipster God Bielsa lasted how long in the Prem with his high pressing?

I've never seen anyone say that because Slav didn't work no foreign manager would ever work. It's certainly not a popular sentiment. If a few have they're a bit daft. It is accurate to say he had a great Championship squad at United and was embarrassed by a bloke from Baaaaarnsley.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Will there ever come a day when we let go of the past I wonder.

The slowest one now will later be last, as the present now will later be past

 

[nopigfansintown]

Disagree. He got a few short months then got binned, if he was allowed to recruit rather than inherit I believe we would have seen a better outcome. You won’t convince me wilder is the best we can hope for and should hang on to him at all costs. I hope one day we have a bit of vision as a club and look to progress, maybe then the excitement of going to the lane will come back cos for the last few years it’s been more of a chore.

He didn't need to recruit. He needed to manage. If a dingle could manage it why not an innovative genius? He had an elite squad full of quality at the level he was at. Why is it so hard for people to just admit he was a massive, expensive failure?

 

[LBA_Blade]

Let’s be clear, the ONLY thing that establishes a team in the Premier League nowadays is spending an absolute fortune. You can do that in one huge gamble like Forest or you can do it over an extended period of recruitment like Brentford and Bournemouth.
Chris Wilder is the only reason we’re even able to consider our prospects in the Premier League because he turned the club around completely despite an abject lack of financial support (comparatively) from the Clubs previous owners.
It’s way too early to decide whether the new owners have the money to sustain a Premier League team.
For me Chris is absolutely the best manager for our club both short and medium term. If the new owners really have the appetite and wealth to properly compete in the PL then other managers may make sense at some stage but I think Chris deserves a chance with decent financial backing first.

For a club of our size although our infrastructure is larger, you could also throw Brighton in the mix too but I think this is the way forwards. Signing like Caceres and Nwachukwu plus any other future "data analysis signings" even if all they do is sit in our U23's if we sell for a profit if we do need to offload we have another steady income stream. Although BBD was rumoured to be signed by Southampton initially for £7mill it will be interesting if we do take up the option to buy of what we negotiate/if the fee is already set at. However you have to ride your luck too. In 23/24 Brentford finished 16th granted 7 points clear. The season before Bournemouth were 15th and with their goal difference realistically only 5 points clear. Wilder definitely knows the club, granted he is going to be in the minority of English managers next season if promoted however I would rather have him in charge than taking a punt on someone that doesn't understand the culture of the club.

 

[Big.Dane.w]

He didn't need to recruit. He needed to manage. If a dingle could manage it why not an innovative genius? He had an elite squad full of quality at the level he was at. Why is it so hard for people to just admit he was a massive, expensive failure?

Elite squad mate your easily pleased of that was an elite squad to you.
We still had Norwood fleck and Osborn in midfield, Olsen in goal.

Pretty sure he could’ve gone back to wilderball if he wanted to but looked like he was trying to implement his own style, ultimately yes it failed as wilder had recruited players for his outdated ‘system’. This is the issue, supporters like yourself wont give a manager time to implement change, this and the fact we had an owner that didn’t have the means to let the new manager bring in new players.
Wilder tried wilderball at Boro, Carrick soon binned it and they were instantly much better.
Anyway my point is when we do decide to change the coach he needs to be allowed to recruit players to suit the way he wants to play.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Elite squad mate your easily pleased of that was an elite squad to you.
We still had Norwood fleck and Osborn in midfield, Olsen in goal.

Pretty sure he could’ve gone back to wilderball if he wanted to but looked like he was trying to implement his own style, ultimately yes it failed as wilder had recruited players for his outdated ‘system’. This is the issue, supporters like yourself wont give a manager time to implement change, this and the fact we had an owner that didn’t have the means to let the new manager bring in new players.
Wilder tried wilderball at Boro, Carrick soon binned it and they were instantly much better.
Anyway my point is when we do decide to change the coach he needs to be allowed to recruit players to suit the way he wants to play.

That same squad sailed into the play offs with automatic promotion form under his successor. Then automatic promotion and an FA Cup semi Final, despite losing Gibbs White and Norwood, Fleck and Osborn (who you mention) being even worse (and with Slav's reserve keeper Wes in goal ). If a promotion squad isn't an elite squad for that particular league, then pray tell... what is?

United never played "Wilderball" after JOC got injured. That was the problem. United reverted to an orthodox 3-5-2 and were exposed. At least understand what you're criticising before you criticise it.

Boro had a huge upturn in form after playing that particular system, btw, you've skipped a season. They also had a successful cup run beating Spurs and Manure

Carrick has achieved, well, what exactly? Answers on the back of a postage stamp.

"Supporters like you"...oh dear. Supporters like me think a manager shouldn't be crying for another nine players with United close to the bottom of the league with one of - if not the - best squads in the league. HE paid 60k a week for Olsen by the way. Hence his nickname "cheque book Slav". Without the blank cheque book he had at Fulham/Watford he's useless. Slav, relative to the side at his disposal, is in a competition with only Robbo for the worst manager we've had post Harris. It was colossal underachievement. It's not a shock to see his record of abject failure here continue post United. He'd have this squad bottom six at best.

 

[Big.Dane.w]

That same squad sailed into the play offs with automatic promotion form under his successor. Then automatic promotion and an FA Cup semi Final, despite losing Gibbs White and Norwood, Fleck and Osborn (who you mention) being even worse (and with Slav's reserve keeper Wes in goal ). If a promotion squad isn't an elite squad for that particular league, then pray tell... what is?

United never played "Wilderball" after JOC got injured. That was the problem. United reverted to an orthodox 3-5-2 and were exposed. At least understand what you're criticising before you criticise it.

Boro had a huge upturn in form after playing that particular system, btw, you've skipped a season. They also had a successful cup run beating Spurs and Manure

Carrick has achieved, well, what exactly? Answers on the back of a postage stamp.

"Supporters like you"...oh dear. Supporters like me think a manager shouldn't be crying for another nine players with United close to the bottom of the league with one of - if not the - best squads in the league. HE paid 60k a week for Olsen by the way. Hence his nickname "cheque book Slav". Without the blank cheque book he had at Fulham/Watford he's useless. Slav, relative to the side at his disposal, is in a competition with only Robbo for the worst manager we've had post Harris. It was colossal underachievement. It's not a shock to see his record of abject failure here continue post United. He'd have this squad bottom six at best.

You seem to think I’m campaigning for Slav, I’m not. I’m saying it’s unfair to call him or anyone else an abject failure when they’re not given what they need to do the job their way, relates to most job roles not just football.

 

[Big.Dane.w]

To add

I stand by if a club is going to bring in a new manager then that manger needs to address what he thinks he needs to implement his ideas and tactics, if this isn’t possible regarding budget then they should consider if the job is right for them and if they’re the right candidate for the club.

Be interesting to see how Rohl gets on at Southampton because it seems like they’ve already got him lined up so will he get backing to tinker with the squad before the start of next season, there’s no excuses then if it goes south.

 

[Yoonited]

The slowest one now will later be last, as the present now will later be past

Is that your own genius creation or a quote

 

[NAnstonblade]

Needlessly excessive. He's likely going to get another big payout within a year or so

Oh enjoy a bit of sunshine, why don't you.