Match Day Thread: Ipswich Town v The Mighty Blades

[Bill Johnson]

Just because there’s the odd example of bucking the trend, it doesn’t stop it being a cold hard fact - big budgets make a big difference.

Anyone who isn’t delighted with the job Wilder is doing with this budget is, quite simply, deluded / full of shit.

Twice in a short time isn t the odd one.

You might ask Villa or pigfans how the big budget thing worked for them.
Methinks your full of booze and would be best served leaving out the pretty stupid insults.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Dominated possession, got ourselves into numerous good positions, but often either overplayed, or delivered the ball poorly, or opted not to shoot. We put ourselves in a great position with the early equaliser, but never really kicked on and the Clarke substitution had a detrimental effect if any sadly. We certainly do need another striker – Sharp did well today, and can be usually relied on if the right chance is presented, but he can’t do it all by himself and will naturally go on lean spells. We absolutely need to improve the quality from the wing-back positions. We try so hard to create openings out wide, we need better quality in those positions to kick on.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

A lot more than ours based on their recruitment. And they if they fall off dramatically; they can be peeved if they want - it won't change anything though.

I dare say you're not reading the forum enough, plenty of people on here are expecting us to be promoted - just look at the reaction to an away draw that leaves us 6th in the league.

As for getting to a certain level and sliding, I personally think it's got more to do with a thin, aging squad tiring over a long season than anything else.

You're being sarcastic but I don't care; I absolutely think lots of our fans could do a better job of managing expectations.

Question for you: (Generally) What part does budget play in a team's success?

I was being sarcastic C2N, but you knows I loves yer.

Probably 40% to 50%, but it's tied up with quality of recruitment and ongoing motivation. Teams can waste a big budget, look at Man Utd. Teams can scout well and spend wisely, look at Kante & Mahrez.

We're getting beaten by the big boys and blaming the budget, we're not getting results against the poor sides and we're blaming the budget.

Trouble is, everyone and their collective dogs are beating Ipswich, Wednesday, Rotherham, etc big budget or no big budget. They are poor sides that for whatever reason we aren't getting results against.

The fact is, a lot of the poor stuff that we're doing at the moment is down to poor decision making on & off the pitch, not the budget.

 

[Bill Johnson]

I was being sarcastic C2N, but you knows I loves yer.

Probably 40% to 50%, but it's tied up with quality of recruitment. Teams can waste a big budget, look at Man Utd. Teams can scout well and spend wisely, look at Kante & Mahrez.

We're getting beaten by the big boys and blaming the budget, we're not getting results against the poor sides and we're blaming the budget.

Trouble is, everyone and their collective dogs are beating Ipswich, Wednesday, Rotherham, etc big budget or no big budget. They are poor sides that for whatever reason we aren't getting result against.

The fact is, a lot of the poor stuff that we're doing at the moment is down to poor decision making on & off the pitch, not the budget.

This.

 

[alcoblade]

Twice in a short time isn t the odd one.

You might ask Villa or pigfans how the big budget thing worked for them.
Methinks your full of booze and would be best served leaving out the pretty stupid insults.

Perfectly sober fella.

Anyone who’s arguing that having the most money to buy the best players isn’t an enormous advantage, needs being pissed to excuse their verbal diarrhea.

 

[Seth Rollins]

Did I really see someone on this thread say all Wilder is, is a half decent/average championship manager. Meltdowns on here are ridiculous. Allright we've not beaten bottom of the league. But no way is Wilder only half decent or to blame. Without Wilder our squad would easily get relegated. Mental!

Yes. You did see that. It was me who said it. I’m not hiding from it. I want to be proved wrong. But 2 wins from 8 is not promotion form & speaks for itself.

 

[Ricky]

The fact is, a lot of the poor stuff that we're doing at the moment is down to poor decision making on & off the pitch, not the budget.

Yep.

 

[FriethBlade]

Don't know what kind of reaction some expect from an away draw against the bottom team. Its a forum ffs, of course people are peed off, maybe everyone should be shouting in joy from the roof tops ?

What's frustrating is we've seen the same outcome time and again and unfortunately we don't seem to have the budget to do anything about it. My worry is on current Villa, Derby, Forest, Stoke etc will be above us before long and it's likely each one will strengthen more than we do in January.

Maybe mid championship is our natural level but it doesn't mean we have to be happy about it.

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

Agreed. I’ve said for a long time Wilder wont get us promoted. He’s simply a half decent Championship manager at best. & I dont give a shit if people agree with me or not.

Do you really believe that Seth? Do you not think if he had the resources of the other teams in the top six, plus one or two others, he wouldn't get us up?

 

[alcoblade]

Yes. You did see that. It was me who said it. I’m not hiding from it. I want to be proved wrong. But 2 wins from 8 is not promotion form & speaks for itself.

My god, really?

You’d take the last 8 games to draw that conclusion, rather than review his 2 year tenure which has seen us go from a relegation threatened third division team to playoff contenders for the premiership. All with an underlying theme of a boardroom battle and low financial backing?

Yes, we’re on a relatively poor run, but let’s have some perspective.

 

[alcoblade]

Don't know what kind of reaction some expect from an away draw against the bottom team. Its a forum ffs, of course people are peed off, maybe everyone should be shouting in joy from the roof tops ?

What's frustrating is we've seen the same outcome time and again and unfortunately we don't seem to have the budget to do anything about it. My worry is on current Villa, Derby, Forest, Stoke etc will be above us before long and it's likely each one will strengthen more than we do in January.

Maybe mid championship is our natural level but it doesn't mean we have to be happy about it.

It started 5 minutes into the game, if you follow the thread.

 

[Bill Johnson]

Perfectly sober fella.

Anyone who’s arguing that having the most money to buy the best players isn’t an enormous advantage, needs being pissed to excuse their verbal diarrhea.

Clearly having Wilders babies coincided with a full frontal lobotomy.

 

[Davalon]

Why not wait why till Sunday then.

Feel free to put up a list of comments you find acceptable and I'm sure we'll all try to accommodate you.

 

[Deaneandagana]

Brian Clough used to say that the only way to keep improving is to buy better quality players, our problem is that our budget allows us to buy / loan players - granted, but those players don’t necessarily improve us, therefore it can be argued that the budget is key.

Take the last JTW as a good example, all those acquisitions / loans were bought within the prescribed budget, but as we saw no improvement in quality was gained.

If we want to compete with the West Brom’s, Derby’s, Villa’s etc then we have to improve the quality & hence budget - a good start would be for a unified & goal congruent approach from our 2 erstwhile owners.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Yes. You did see that. It was me who said it. I’m not hiding from it. I want to be proved wrong. But 2 wins from 8 is not promotion form & speaks for itself.

Then you're a bellend pal.

 

[alcoblade]

Clearly having Wilders babies coincided with a full frontal lobotomy.

I take it you didn’t enjoy the childbirth then, and hold him responsible?

The frontal lobotomy does explain you talking like a fanny too.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

The fact is, a lot of the poor stuff that we're doing at the moment is down to poor decision making on & off the pitch, not the budget.

They are slightly linked though. We’re more likely to make errors or bad decisions because we have players of lesser quality, and are the sort of player we’re likely to get spending what we do.

 

[Seth Rollins]

Do you really believe that Seth? Do you not think if he had the resources of the other teams in the top six, plus one or two others, he wouldn't get us up?

I dont have the answer to that. But he didnt shine with his signings in January did he?? Its like you think I hate Wilder & I dont. But he picks the side so he should take the blame. Lets be honest todays result was crap,its not like its a one off either. We’re not going to finish in the top 6,the same things happening that did last season except we’ve started sliding earlier. Norwich do not have a better squad than us but they’re top 9 points in front of us. It’s how they’re managed.

 

[alcoblade]

I dont have the answer to that. But he didnt shine with his signings in January did he?? Its like you think I hate Wilder & I dont. But he picks the side so he should take the blame. Lets be honest todays result was crap,its not like its a one off either. We’re not going to finish in the top 6,the same things happening that did last season except we’ve started sliding earlier. Norwich do not have a better squad than us but they’re top 9 points in front of us. It’s how they’re managed.

By a man who they wanted to sack about 12 games ago, with a budget that I’d hazard a guess at five times ours.

It’s just not comparable.

 

[cc1]

Maybe we wouldn't overplay constantly if Wilder had bothered to sign pace once or twice during his 3 seasons with us....

You trying to troll him?

Get a grip ffs

 

[Seth Rollins]

My god, really?

You’d take the last 8 games to draw that conclusion, rather than review his 2 year tenure which has seen us go from a relegation threatened third division team to playoff contenders for the premiership. All with an underlying theme of a boardroom battle and low financial backing?

Yes, we’re on a relatively poor run, but let’s have some perspective.

This is what pisses me off about this forum. It’s never Wilder’s fault,always the players or the board. I want more than anything for Wilder to get us promoted but it bewilders me how far some fans have their heads up his arse like he’s some kind of Messiah.

 

[Seth Rollins]

Then you're a bellend pal.

Thats your opinion which your allowed to have. Obviously i’m not entitled to mine.

 

[alcoblade]

This is what pisses me off about this forum. It’s never Wilder’s fault,always the players or the board. I want more than anything for Wilder to get us promoted but it bewilders me how far some fans have their heads up his arse like he’s some kind of Messiah.

And what pisses me off is how reactionary and petulant people like you are.

 

[cc1]

Twice in a short time isn t the odd one.

You might ask Villa or pigfans how the big budget thing worked for them.
Methinks your full of booze and would be best served leaving out the pretty stupid insults.

It's a totally different scenario, the comparisons are a total joke and I don't know why people feel the need to trot out this negative bs.
Don't 'you' think that CW has earned the relevant kudos, both in playing style and results, to think that being afforded some cash might take us further?

Whether it comes or not, and it looks unlikely, any cash injection would be a positive development for us with the current grounded and forward-thinking m'ment team we have. Spunking munneh ain't part of our DNA.

There was a thread on this forum a year or so ago that was the best I've seen, and it basically discussed whether we actually should be looking to go up given the millions of quid involved in a dog fight to stay up, and what that does to the spine of a club. Maybe someone can post it again. I feel like we're quite close to this type of muddled aspiration at the moment.

 

[Topplayersleave]

Don't know what kind of reaction some expect from an away draw against the bottom team. Its a forum ffs, of course people are peed off, maybe everyone should be shouting in joy from the roof tops ?

What's frustrating is we've seen the same outcome time and again and unfortunately we don't seem to have the budget to do anything about it. My worry is on current Villa, Derby, Forest, Stoke etc will be above us before long and it's likely each one will strengthen more than we do in January.

Maybe mid championship is our natural level but it doesn't mean we have to be happy about it.

The budget is set for a lower table finish at best, the club will always aim as low as possible and hope for the best. People will criticise but the main reason we play our games in total and complete silence is because the fans are not convinced, deep down they know we're not good enough and deep down they know why. Last season the budget was set with the aim of trying to avoid relegation, the boardroom then couldn't believe their luck and typically took the opportunity to not improve the team sufficiently.
Very occasionally we find a manager that gets the team to outperform the budget and the boardroom penny pinching gets ignored for a while. Bassett outperformed the penny pinching, Warnock outperformed the penny pinching and Wilder is outperforming the penny pinching, but eventually everything comes down to buying better players and getting them to perform. There's only so far you can go if you don't improve the first team and continually expect a manager to perform miracles.

You either improve or you don't, and if you don't it eventually goes stale no matter who's in charge of the team.

 

[FriethBlade]

It started 5 minutes into the game, if you follow the thread.

Yep well that's ridiculous. Ultimately we all want the same thing but people see how we get there differently.

I don't understand how anyone can.blame Wilder, yes like any manager he makes mistakes but he's worked miracles with the players he has with the majority of them being his team's recruitment. Fleck, Norwood, JOC, Egan at al have been magnificent signings for the money and we are punching above out.weight against some very well funded teams.

 

[SandyMcBlade]

I'm really surprised we are still using Billy as our out ball when we have a corner against us, I still want him in the box for our corners but let's face it from the half way line in a break away he's got to be the slowest man on the field.

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

I dont have the answer to that. But he didnt shine with his signings in January did he?? Its like you think I hate Wilder & I dont. But he picks the side so he should take the blame. Lets be honest todays result was crap,its not like its a one off either. We’re not going to finish in the top 6,the same things happening that did last season except we’ve started sliding earlier. Norwich do not have a better squad than us but they’re top 9 points in front of us. It’s how they’re managed.

I'm sure you don't hate Wilder Seth and I have to say that I do agree with a lot of what you say. The Norwich thing really grates, seeing them top of the league and getting results. They sold their star player and immediately another comes along, Pukki, seems to work out for some teams, not us unfortunately. I still think it comes down to backing, Chris seems to have stretched the current bunch as much as he can, that's not to disrespect the current squad who have done a fairly decent job up to now, I think you would agree. Decent loans in Jan are vital to arrest the slide and prevent a repeat of last season, will we get them with the current owner situation only time will tell.

 

[FriethBlade]

Top player...I don't think the board deliberately set a low budget. McCabe just doesn't have the money but in my opinion he should have got.out a while back. Now.maybe there's been no real.buyers but my guess is....rightly.or wrongly....the price he wants is above what anyone.will pay. Therefore he stumbled into this arrangement with the Prince where he kept 50% of the club and Princey was.meant to bankroll the promotion push. We now know how well this arrangement has worked out !

 

[metalblade]

For those comparing our budget to Norwich City look at a few facts they have spent fuck all this season really and are using a fair few home grown players. Those they have brought in has an average age of 24 so it is a young squad compared to ours and is doing much better. It don't look to me like they have yet touched the Maddison money and not much of the Murphy money either.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/norwich-city/transfers/verein/1123