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Will this thread result in world war 3, or will it fizzle out before??

The kids a prick, were all disgusted with him, and he will get what he deserves in one form or another.
My thoughts are with Bill and his family, but it's time to rise above this now, back to football, weve got 2 important games coming up, and frankly, I can be bothered wasting anymore time or energy on that little PIGGY cunt!.
 

My wife is from Philippines and I've been there frequently over the past decade, maybe 30 times or more.

I consider myself fortunate enough to have an alternative to Western media and to make my own opinion through first hand experience. And I've changed my mind multiple times on Philppine politics - there are no black and white characters, only grey. Certainly the Western media picks and chooses and is happy to side with the minority and project it as if it were the majority. Of all the points I shared, what gets reported apart from alleged Extra Judicial Killings and calling Obama a son of a bitch? Not much.

Duterte isn't by definition a law unto himself though. He is an elected leader in a democracy. There was no question about him legitimately winning either. He's not some power hungry despot and he's not exercised power any more than his predecessors, far less in the case of some.

He didn't even want to run and frequently comments that he'll happily step aside or shorten his term. It's 6 years maximum in Philippines anyway. It was only in fact the people's support that pushed him to run relatively last minute. The main difference between him and other candidates was simple - at 70 years old, he wants to make the country better. Others wanted to be President.

This is where it gets back to what is acceptable by Western norms doesn't correlate so easily. The war on drugs has casualties it's true. In the main it's those that persist in illegal activities, perpetuate crimes against minors because they are addicted to drugs and those that resist arrest at the same time as shunning help made available. When he came to power 1000s of drug users turned themselves in to rehabilitation centers. How many did that save and where was that story?

Would it be ideal that there were no deaths? Of course. But would you choose the life of a young child or that of someone who rapes and murders a minor because they are under the influence of shabu (the local name for methamphetamine). Unfortunately that is part of the choice that he has to make. It's hard to be the good guy when those are your options.

Interesting read, so thanks for the 'educational' pathway through the Philippino way of life.

Your point about my biased perceptions regarding RD, I have little option than to read a broad cross-section about the world at large. In the main I sense that what's being reported is at least accurate. You may wish to reveal that a publication or broadcaster has it's own bias against RD, which of course I'd be happy to read. But until then, given that my weekly reading matter covers the broadest span of political and social opinion, I'm slightly concerned that you describe the media in the UK, or is that the west, as deliberately sharing the same negative view of Duterte? I struggle to accept that the Daily Telegraph, about as right-wing, even reactionary, as a paper is allowed to be, and then The Guardian, about as liberal as it gets, even sometimes embarrassingly so, so I hope you'll forgive my cynicism about your carefully worded description of Duterte.

No doubt there are many in the Philippines who adore the fact that drug dealing is being confronted. That's a response I imagine we'd find in most countries, so no real surprise there. But it's Duterte's unabashed thirst to employ violence, which has been backed with televised interviews where he says he'd be happy to carry out such murders. One interview I saw was particularly disturbing, in which RD intimated that he had already been personally responsible for the murders (that's correct, plural) of drug dealers. I know this goes against the grain if you believe in state endorsed murder, but I prefer the rule of democratically agreed law by which we should live. By all means build more prisons, increase tariffs for the most appalling of crimes (and I include drug dealing in this), but anyone who thinks that the creation of death squads will stop the use of drugs has been shown to be wrong. Historically, wherever the death penalty has existed, it has made no significant difference to whichever crime appalls someone. It may get rid of an individual, but there will always be someone else to continue the same dreadful social ill. At best these negatives can be minimised, but removed from the social landscape? No a cat in hell's chance.

I think that rather than continue to go round in circles disagreeing, we should agree to disagree. I hope you can at some point prove me wrong, but it will take more than the above to convince me that Duterte is almost Ghandi-like in his wish to improve his country.
 
Gotta love this forum - you start off with a thread condemning someone on twitter and somehow twists into the political landscape of the Phillipines.

I hope by page 19 we are arguing amongst ourselves about the pedestrianisation of Norwich City Centre...

I'll be honest I'm against it.
 
Interesting read, so thanks for the 'educational' pathway through the Philippino way of life.

Your point about my biased perceptions regarding RD, I have little option than to read a broad cross-section about the world at large. In the main I sense that what's being reported is at least accurate. You may wish to reveal that a publication or broadcaster has it's own bias against RD, which of course I'd be happy to read. But until then, given that my weekly reading matter covers the broadest span of political and social opinion, I'm slightly concerned that you describe the media in the UK, or is that the west, as deliberately sharing the same negative view of Duterte? I struggle to accept that the Daily Telegraph, about as right-wing, even reactionary, as a paper is allowed to be, and then The Guardian, about as liberal as it gets, even sometimes embarrassingly so, so I hope you'll forgive my cynicism about your carefully worded description of Duterte.

No doubt there are many in the Philippines who adore the fact that drug dealing is being confronted. That's a response I imagine we'd find in most countries, so no real surprise there. But it's Duterte's unabashed thirst to employ violence, which has been backed with televised interviews where he says he'd be happy to carry out such murders. One interview I saw was particularly disturbing, in which RD intimated that he had already been personally responsible for the murders (that's correct, plural) of drug dealers. I know this goes against the grain if you believe in state endorsed murder, but I prefer the rule of democratically agreed law by which we should live. By all means build more prisons, increase tariffs for the most appalling of crimes (and I include drug dealing in this), but anyone who thinks that the creation of death squads will stop the use of drugs has been shown to be wrong. Historically, wherever the death penalty has existed, it has made no significant difference to whichever crime appalls someone. It may get rid of an individual, but there will always be someone else to continue the same dreadful social ill. At best these negatives can be minimised, but removed from the social landscape? No a cat in hell's chance.

I think that rather than continue to go round in circles disagreeing, we should agree to disagree. I hope you can at some point prove me wrong, but it will take more than the above to convince me that Duterte is almost Ghandi-like in his wish to improve his country.


Mega lolz.
Translated as even though I don't really know what I'm talking about in the face of knowleadgable posters I'll keep digging anyway.
Thought you would have learned that when in a hole put away the shovel. Don't return with a JCB and keep going.
 
Mega lolz.
Translated as even though I don't really know what I'm talking about in the face of knowleadgable posters I'll keep digging anyway.
Thought you would have learned that when in a hole put away the shovel. Don't return with a JCB and keep going.

Bill, even though I understand why you feel it's helpful to reach for the most convenient cliche to support your rambling thoughts, you are, once again, horribly mistaken.

What exists is a difference informs me that you of opinion, nothing more or less. If it suits you, by all means stick with whatever contrived piece of infantilism that you can muster.

A friendly voice informs me that you're on good terms with anger issues, seems you were anger supremo on Bladesmad, but you'll have to adopt a more considered approach here, unless of course your emotional state is fuelled by several bevvies. Then there's very little hope for any of us. I'm here if you wish to share your probs Bill, no one is a lost cause fella, even you.
 
I've not insulted anyone, I've basically said that it doesn't matter what your colour, creed, gender or sexual preferences are, you are safe.
But if you're a stupid, illiterate, idle, criminal, drug addicted fuckwit, you're going to end up in a large hole in the ground
What if you are stupid, illiterate and addicted to drugs because you the only attention you received as a child was to be sexually and violently abused?
 
Mega lolz.
Translated as even though I don't really know what I'm talking about in the face of knowleadgable posters I'll keep digging anyway.
Thought you would have learned that when in a hole put away the shovel. Don't return with a JCB and keep going.

It's a regular thing. At least he's not patronising though. :rolleyes:
 
What if you are stupid, illiterate and addicted to drugs because you the only attention you received as a child was to be sexually and violently abused?


Well your parents/abusers would already be gone, those that have foisted this generation of fuckwits onto decent society would not be ended with a quick bullet between the eyes
 
Do you know what ?
I've often slagged our politicians off and wondered how differently I would do things

And I've come to the conclusion that I'd go down in history as the biggest mass murderer in history

The reason being is that I'd hunt out millions of scum sucking bottom feeders like this cunt and I'd have them executed

The planet is short on resources, and it is dying partly due to the cancer of over population and human beings activities
One way of reducing everything from social security to our carbon footprint is to eliminate those that contribute fuck all

I used to occasionally have similar views to strife to achieve a more utopian world but it’s far too simplistic/ black and white.

In real life you meet immature people with a heart of gold but then do incredibly stupid things.
True story this: I was about 20 years old remember standing on the Kop with a group of friends, this black player from the opposition was playing well so a small group near me started a rascist song about this black player and some of my friends were joining in with the chant , then laughing they were big lads. One of them had loads of very close black friends and wasn’t rascist in the slightest. It confused me that someone who isn’t rascist could be easily persuaded into joining the pack group singing rascist song.

I think it’s a lack of education and lack of experience that leads the younger generation to do or say such stupid things. As you get older, hopefully you tend to evolve in to something more considered and wiser.
 
Leaving the orphans to be dealt with later?

I'd hate to see the lampshades in your abode.
I think his strategy was to use a time-machine to go back to an arbitrary time and place, summarily execute everyone deemed unfit for society before returning to the present day which will, of course, have become an orphan free utopia.
 
Leaving the orphans to be dealt with later?

I'd hate to see the lampshades in your abode.

The orphans would be looked after by either good families or a school that provided education, living quarters, food, activities and guidance in how to live your life. It would be cheaper than paying benefits to the other 20 members of their family in a never ending circle for all eternity.
It would only be for a generation, all future generations would benefit from my mind altering programme and become good citizens or face the penalties.
 
The orphans would be looked after by either good families or a school that provided education, living quarters, food, activities and guidance in how to live your life. It would be cheaper than paying benefits to the other 20 members of their family in a never ending circle for all eternity.
It would only be for a generation, all future generations would benefit from my mind altering programme and become good citizens or face the penalties.

Here's a snappy slogan that might improve your marketing image; "Making murder beneficial to the rest of society".

You'll have to work hard at convincing the great unwashed that you're fit to make such claims, after all we wouldn't want anyone to think you should be measured for a straight jacket, would we?
 
I used to occasionally have similar views to strife to achieve a more utopian world but it’s far too simplistic/ black and white.

In real life you meet immature people with a heart of gold but then do incredibly stupid things.
True story this: I was about 20 years old remember standing on the Kop with a group of friends, this black player from the opposition was playing well so a small group near me started a rascist song about this black player and some of my friends were joining in with the chant , then laughing they were big lads. One of them had loads of very close black friends and wasn’t rascist in the slightest. It confused me that someone who isn’t rascist could be easily persuaded into joining the pack group singing rascist song.

I think it’s a lack of education and lack of experience that leads the younger generation to do or say such stupid things. As you get older, hopefully you tend to evolve in to something more considered and wiser.


All younger generations have had a lack of experience. Obviousl
The orphans would be looked after by either good families or a school that provided education, living quarters, food, activities and guidance in how to live your life. It would be cheaper than paying benefits to the other 20 members of their family in a never ending circle for all eternity.
It would only be for a generation, all future generations would benefit from my mind altering programme and become good citizens or face the penalties.


It appears that you've put this thinking into personal practice and it's resulted in an uncaring monster.

Needs more thought.
 

Here's a snappy slogan that might improve your marketing image; "Making murder beneficial to the rest of society".

You'll have to work hard at convincing the great unwashed that you're fit to make such claims, after all we wouldn't want anyone to think you should be measured for a straight jacket, would we?


Sponsored by Soylent Green?
 
We'll there's certainly grand irony in Charlton Heston there and in reality a massive supporter of the NRA.
 
Interesting read, so thanks for the 'educational' pathway through the Philippino way of life.

Your point about my biased perceptions regarding RD, I have little option than to read a broad cross-section about the world at large. In the main I sense that what's being reported is at least accurate. You may wish to reveal that a publication or broadcaster has it's own bias against RD, which of course I'd be happy to read. But until then, given that my weekly reading matter covers the broadest span of political and social opinion, I'm slightly concerned that you describe the media in the UK, or is that the west, as deliberately sharing the same negative view of Duterte? I struggle to accept that the Daily Telegraph, about as right-wing, even reactionary, as a paper is allowed to be, and then The Guardian, about as liberal as it gets, even sometimes embarrassingly so, so I hope you'll forgive my cynicism about your carefully worded description of Duterte.

No doubt there are many in the Philippines who adore the fact that drug dealing is being confronted. That's a response I imagine we'd find in most countries, so no real surprise there. But it's Duterte's unabashed thirst to employ violence, which has been backed with televised interviews where he says he'd be happy to carry out such murders. One interview I saw was particularly disturbing, in which RD intimated that he had already been personally responsible for the murders (that's correct, plural) of drug dealers. I know this goes against the grain if you believe in state endorsed murder, but I prefer the rule of democratically agreed law by which we should live. By all means build more prisons, increase tariffs for the most appalling of crimes (and I include drug dealing in this), but anyone who thinks that the creation of death squads will stop the use of drugs has been shown to be wrong. Historically, wherever the death penalty has existed, it has made no significant difference to whichever crime appalls someone. It may get rid of an individual, but there will always be someone else to continue the same dreadful social ill. At best these negatives can be minimised, but removed from the social landscape? No a cat in hell's chance.

I think that rather than continue to go round in circles disagreeing, we should agree to disagree. I hope you can at some point prove me wrong, but it will take more than the above to convince me that Duterte is almost Ghandi-like in his wish to improve his country.
No issue agreeing to disagree.

As you’d expect I’m not dyed in the wool anything in terms of Philippine politics so opinions are made on face value. I have no skin in the game as they say. These are merely my observations having started with a blank sheet and raised an eyebrow at how the press I was familiar with chose to present the narrative. I’m pro Duterte simply because what I have seen he has shown more good than bad in a country that benefits from a guiding hand in charge rather than allowing the rich to gain at the expense of the poor. And he doesn’t just talk. As shown in Davao he’s a man of action.

His approval rating dropped recently as happens with many in power. Down to 75%. It was as high as 88%. Not bad for such a bad man. And those figures come from the anti-Duterte home press.

To the slant on Western media, you may be familiar with some of a story he shared.

It lasted maybe 15 minutes about a hostage situation in a prison where some female missionaries were taken hostage by prisoners. Duterte was there on the Front line at the behest of the then President, Cory Aquino, with the military pushing for their release. He lamented the fate of a hostage who was killed, disgusted they had been raped and killed her. He commented angrily how these scumbags had been to her, saying flippantly she was beautiful and should have been with a mayor if anyone, not violated by these scumbags. So disgusted was he, he told the Military to the effect “I’m going in there, you come with me if you want”. He went in there, faced down the hostages and was with the military as the hostages were shot dead, maybe by him, maybe not. Prior to this he’d also offered to exchange himself for 2 hostages, a woman and a baby. In the end all the kidnappers were killed and 10/15 hostages got saved.

So how did the Western press treat the story of this bravery?
- Mayor who offered to exchange himself for hostages?
- Mayor who lead siege on prison?
- Mayor who helped save 10 hostages?

Because of a poor throwaway comment they went with Duterte in rape joke.

The comment wasn’t even made as a joke, though he later apologised for it, the 30 seconds where he alluded to the woman’s beauty was the sum total of how this was reported in the West and the actual story of the event largely discarded. The crux of the story was about a siege with him risking his life to save others but this didn’t fit the agenda so that wasn’t what made the news.

That’s how I’ve seen the Western media filter to their own ends. It’s certainly opened my eyes. Same with the death of the journalist in Turkey. Rightly so it’s caused outrage and condemnation. I don’t recall quite the same press about Saudi Arabia causing a humanitarian crisis in Yemen over the past 3 years. I suppose it’s ‘okay’ when they are ‘our’ bad guys eh?
 
No issue agreeing to disagree.

As you’d expect I’m not dyed in the wool anything in terms of Philippine politics so opinions are made on face value. I have no skin in the game as they say. These are merely my observations having started with a blank sheet and raised an eyebrow at how the press I was familiar with chose to present the narrative. I’m pro Duterte simply because what I have seen he has shown more good than bad in a country that benefits from a guiding hand in charge rather than allowing the rich to gain at the expense of the poor. And he doesn’t just talk. As shown in Davao he’s a man of action.

His approval rating dropped recently as happens with many in power. Down to 75%. It was as high as 88%. Not bad for such a bad man. And those figures come from the anti-Duterte home press.

To the slant on Western media, you may be familiar with some of a story he shared.

It lasted maybe 15 minutes about a hostage situation in a prison where some female missionaries were taken hostage by prisoners. Duterte was there on the Front line at the behest of the then President, Cory Aquino, with the military pushing for their release. He lamented the fate of a hostage who was killed, disgusted they had been raped and killed her. He commented angrily how these scumbags had been to her, saying flippantly she was beautiful and should have been with a mayor if anyone, not violated by these scumbags. So disgusted was he, he told the Military to the effect “I’m going in there, you come with me if you want”. He went in there, faced down the hostages and was with the military as the hostages were shot dead, maybe by him, maybe not. Prior to this he’d also offered to exchange himself for 2 hostages, a woman and a baby. In the end all the kidnappers were killed and 10/15 hostages got saved.

So how did the Western press treat the story of this bravery?
- Mayor who offered to exchange himself for hostages?
- Mayor who lead siege on prison?
- Mayor who helped save 10 hostages?

Because of a poor throwaway comment they went with Duterte in rape joke.

The comment wasn’t even made as a joke, though he later apologised for it, the 30 seconds where he alluded to the woman’s beauty was the sum total of how this was reported in the West and the actual story of the event largely discarded. The crux of the story was about a siege with him risking his life to save others but this didn’t fit the agenda so that wasn’t what made the news.

That’s how I’ve seen the Western media filter to their own ends. It’s certainly opened my eyes. Same with the death of the journalist in Turkey. Rightly so it’s caused outrage and condemnation. I don’t recall quite the same press about Saudi Arabia causing a humanitarian crisis in Yemen over the past 3 years. I suppose it’s ‘okay’ when they are ‘our’ bad guys eh?


Banging brick head on you're a you're wall.
 

I know we've not exactly seen eye to eye on certain issues, but congratulations on pursuing this. It's far more than a 'worthwhile' story, it will, hopefully, send a message to anyone considering doing the same in future. Well done young Dan UTMB
 
I cant overstate just how much I think its vital that SWFC make comment on this. Just feels until they do that its been allowed to be brushed under the carpet.

The brilliant publicity of the remembrance Sunday celebrations ahead of the derby match is example of how the two clubs should come together for something bigger than football rivalry. This sad/vile incident is another that should show unity.

The thought of that smug bastard sat at home thinking he's got away with it really eats away at me.
 
I cant overstate just how much I think its vital that SWFC make comment on this. Just feels until they do that its been allowed to be brushed under the carpet.

The brilliant publicity of the remembrance Sunday celebrations ahead of the derby match is example of how the two clubs should come together for something bigger than football rivalry. This sad/vile incident is another that should show unity.

The thought of that smug bastard sat at home thinking he's got away with it really eats away at me.
Do you really think SWFC, with their narcissistic meglomaniac Chairman and the completely out of touch with reality Katrien Meire running the show, will really do anything about this?
 


Do your employers intend to make an issue out of this as they should be doing or are they shit scared to rattle any cages?
Serious question.
I would be extremely interested to see your answer/ opinion remembering of course..."All views my own".
 

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