Investment for CW?

[madeinsheffield]

Might be controversial, but i kinda like us the way we are, going about our business the blades way. I really don't want us to turn into that lot from S6, chucking money about and losing our identity. It would have to happen in a "Tufty way", for me to be onboard with it.

I agree, we need to gradually evolve, bring a high paid 'superstar' in and we get a division in the changing room, one of our greatest attributes is the togetherness of the squad, which has transferred throughout the whole club through to us lot. I'd rather develop gradually and keep that together.

Having said that Chris and his staff need to be shopping and backing to a higher level than we do currently for this happen

 

[madeinsheffield]

Well, fuck me...

''Wit'' has only gone and sold up the Estate Agency business..

WYHTP?

 

[UnitedBlade]

Wins what?

Wins what looks like a bidding war for control of the football side of the club ie this reported consortium. If he loses, then control will go to the Prince providing he stumps up the money.

That is what the option triggered by Sheffield United limited is about. First option goes to the Prince but as others have suggested there will be options to counter- propose.

I have no idea how it is resolved if neither accepts the money offered. Stays as it is I suppose.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

WYHTP?

Dempseys Bar.

 

[LJBlade]

Wins what looks like a bidding war for control of the football side of the club ie this reported consortium. If he loses, then control will go to the Prince providing he stumps up the money.

That is what the option triggered by Sheffield United limited is about. First option goes to the Prince but as others have suggested there will be options to counter- propose.

I have no idea how it is resolved if neither accepts the money offered. Stays as it is I suppose.

Or it could just be that this investment is part of the same deal we’ve already heard about and McCabe is involved because he is still director of the club? It would seem a big coincidence if all of a sudden there’s a queue of people wanting to invest in us.

 

[Lower Drop Blade]

Having read the statement again carefully SU limited invoked the clause which is Kevin’s company. It would have been the Prince’s company if he had started the process. I’m guessing the Prince has called Kevin’s bluff by “agreeing” to pay.

If he hasn’t got other backers lined up, he’ll find it difficult and will immediately be underwriting our losses in total.

It’s as clear as mud but potentially a very messy divorce.

Blimey all this time and now you read the statement carefully, what you done b4 skimmed over it and then just fed the conspiracy theories

 

[snootyfenooty]

You're assuming Wilder knew about the deal in January.

The Prince & McCabe would have and they write the cheques.

 

[UnitedBlade]

Or it could just be that this investment is part of the same deal we’ve already heard about and McCabe is involved because he is still director of the club? It would seem a big coincidence if all of a sudden there’s a queue of people wanting to invest in us.

I’m a bit confused. The only reported consortium is the one Nixon has suggested Kevin has put together.

Because of the agreement put together when the Prince joined, the first option to buy SUFC has to go to the Prince who would be buying out Kevin’s share.

Prince has seemingly said yes but there is no information on whether he has additional backers.

I think the least likely outcome is Kevin, Prince and the consortium are all in harmony and together.

I could be completely wrong but one or the other from Kevin and the Prince will go .

 

[BushBlade]

Lets say in an ideal world we would have Coutts, Fleck & Duffy/Brooks as the midfield three. This leaves Lundstram, Evans, Holmes, Leonard, Carruthers on the sidelines. If we are promised investment, then expect another two of higher quality to come in. That leaves about 7 or 8 mids on the sidelines, more than we would ever need. The 3 new signings would never have come in if there was a big plan in place. The club would be competing with my missus for hoarder of the year title.

If he hadn't have signed them we'd have struggled in the second half of the season, really struggled. Evans has already made an impact and we've just lost Fleck again through suspension so need cover for him. We can't just rely on the same 11 to play every game. We're seeing players lose form because they're struggling to maintain intensity. Look how good Sharp and Duffy look after a rest. No deal has been done yet, he couldn't just not sign players in the hope that this investment will come through in the summer and he's still got a job after finishing 18th with a piss poor second half of the season.

I don't think we'd have signed Evans if Coutts hadn't broken his leg, I think he'd have used Lundy as cover for the odd game but he's had his hand forced a bit.

He won't want to totally disrupt the team by signing loads of new players in the summer so will probably look to bring in better strikers, a younger no.10, a better LWB and a keeper. Maybe an upgrade on Basham too. Holmes will probably suffer but he'll have got a good contract out of the move and an opportunity to prove himself at this level so I'm sure he'll cope. Same with Lundy. Lenny, if he steps up, will probably stay, along with Basham as utility players so we don't get caught out by injuries like this season and Evans will compete with Coutts.
Carruthers and Lafferty will go, Billy and Leon will compete with the new signings/cover them. Holmes and Lundy may end up going out on loan or permanent in the JTW, depending on how things pan out.

Wolves aside, our midfield has been pretty decent, it's been the strikers and the delivery from wide that's been our weaker points recently and we've been too dependent on Duffy having a good game. Sort those things out first if you've got money to spend. I've listed six positions where we could improve quality, that's enough for one window.

 

[LJBlade]

I’m a bit confused. The only reported consortium is the one Nixon has suggested Kevin has put together.

Because of the agreement put together when the Prince joined, the first option to buy SUFC has to go to the Prince who would be buying out Kevin’s share.

Prince has seemingly said yes but there is no information on whether he has additional backers.

I think the least likely outcome is Kevin, Prince and the consortium are all in harmony and together.

I could be completely wrong but one or the other from Kevin and the Prince will go .

The consortium or additional backers could be supporting the Prince’s buy out.

 

[super_pig]

An Allen key.

sorry that post was a bit tangental.. kind of a post to self. in europe you can't get custard.. i love custard.. i found though that ikea sell something called vanilla sauce. it's custard! that was a fucking great find i'll tell you

 

[benn5712]

sorry that post was a bit tangental.. kind of a post to self. in europe you can't get custard.. i love custard.. i found though that ikea sell something called vanilla sauce. it's custard! that was a fucking great find i'll tell you

Have you tried eating it with the supplied Allen key?

 

[BladeFisher]

So are ISIS investing in us or not?

Explosive and game changing.

 

[coolhandluke]

I know this should really be in the rumour section but as the KM/Prince situation gathers pace and we are all pissing in the wind regards likely scenarios, I thought it best to stick it on here.

Sun reporting today that CW could be in line for a huge transfer boost next season

The Blades boss has met backers of an investment deal that would inject millions into the club. Kevin McCabe is heading the plan which could be finalised imminently

What's going to happen is so blindingly obvious I can't believe we are all scratching our heads wondering what's happening !

McCabe wants out - check

HRH hasn't the money to to buy McCabe' s stake in the Club and invest more - check

HRH has taken over at a Club in Belgium - check .

There's not a chance McCabe would sell us down the river - check

That complete takeover and major investment is imminent is as simple as 2 + 2 = 4 .

 

[UnitedBlade]

The consortium or additional backers could be supporting the Prince’s buy out.

But the article in the press today clearly states that it is Kevin McCabe that is leading the consortium.

That’s the whole point, what seemed to be a purchase by the Prince on Thursday night is not straightforward. McCabe probably had an obligation to offer the club to the Prince but actually he has separate backers who he wants to install.

 

[snootyfenooty]

If he hadn't have signed them we'd have struggled in the second half of the season, really struggled. Evans has already made an impact and we've just lost Fleck again through suspension so need cover for him. We can't just rely on the same 11 to play every game. We're seeing players lose form because they're struggling to maintain intensity. Look how good Sharp and Duffy look after a rest. No deal has been done yet, he couldn't just not sign players in the hope that this investment will come through in the summer and he's still got a job after finishing 18th with a piss poor second half of the season.

I don't think we'd have signed Evans if Coutts hadn't broken his leg, I think he'd have used Lundy as cover for the odd game but he's had his hand forced a bit.

He won't want to totally disrupt the team by signing loads of new players in the summer so will probably look to bring in better strikers, a younger no.10, a better LWB and a keeper. Maybe an upgrade on Basham too. Holmes will probably suffer but he'll have got a good contract out of the move and an opportunity to prove himself at this level so I'm sure he'll cope. Same with Lundy. Lenny, if he steps up, will probably stay, along with Basham as utility players so we don't get caught out by injuries like this season and Evans will compete with Coutts.
Carruthers and Lafferty will go, Billy and Leon will compete with the new signings/cover them. Holmes and Lundy may end up going out on loan or permanent in the JTW, depending on how things pan out.

Wolves aside, our midfield has been pretty decent, it's been the strikers and the delivery from wide that's been our weaker points recently and we've been too dependent on Duffy having a good game. Sort those things out first if you've got money to spend. I've listed six positions where we could improve quality, that's enough for one window.

The big "if" is if we get to the premiership. 80% of our squad won't be good enough, Fleck, Brooks, JOC & the new Delboy, Baldock excepted. The other "if" is if we stay where we are and have 3 players competing for each midfield spot. So my point was that stuffing the midfield with a surplus of players isn't a very good idea, either from the club's or the players point of view.

 

[LJBlade]

The big "if" is if we get to the premiership. 80% of our squad won't be good enough, Fleck, Brooks, JOC & the new Delboy, Baldock excepted. The other "if" is if we stay where we are and have 3 players competing for each midfield spot. So my point was that stuffing the midfield with a surplus of players isn't a very good idea, either from the club's or the players point of view.

You are allowed to sell players you know? We wouldn’t have to keep players just because they haven’t been here that long.

Also, would you have been happy for us to write off this season? That’s essentially what we would have been doing by not buying the players we did in January.

 

[LJBlade]

But the article in the press today clearly states that it is Kevin McCabe that is leading the consortium.

That’s the whole point, what seemed to be a purchase by the Prince on Thursday night is not straightforward. McCabe probably had an obligation to offer the club to the Prince but actually he has separate backers who he wants to install.

The article said that he was ‘heading the plan’. It could be McCabe’s idea for the Prince to buy him out with the support of this consortium.

I think some people are assuming there’s a boardroom battle going on when actually there’s been no real evidence for it.

 

[BushBlade]

The big "if" is if we get to the premiership. 80% of our squad won't be good enough, Fleck, Brooks, JOC & the new Delboy, Baldock excepted. The other "if" is if we stay where we are and have 3 players competing for each midfield spot. So my point was that stuffing the midfield with a surplus of players isn't a very good idea, either from the club's or the players point of view.

You cross those bridges when you come to them. We had an immediate need that had to be addressed. I doubt we'd have much trouble moving the players on if it turns out we've got too many.

 

[ucandomagic]

But the article in the press today clearly states that it is Kevin McCabe that is leading the consortium.

That’s the whole point, what seemed to be a purchase by the Prince on Thursday night is not straightforward. McCabe probably had an obligation to offer the club to the Prince but actually he has separate backers who he wants to install.

You know what, you’re spot on. I can’t believe that none of us read that announcement properly. The Prince UTB LLC didn’t start this process, they just responded to it being initiated by SU Ltd - ie Prince has first refusal to buy. So Kevin has a consortium, but he has to offer the Prince first.

It would be really interesting to know what the terms of the original agreement are. If it is market value, then we could have a bidding war between Prince and the consortium - as what they offer will define market value.

In fact, Kevin may have envisaged this happening from the start, as it will maximise what he eventually gets!

 

[Liverpool blade]

All this investment talk is now starting to confuse me?. The only thing I do know is that it will hopefully be sorted one way or the other and the club will be in safe hands whoever ends up owning the club?. Utb

 

[snootyfenooty]

You are allowed to sell players you know? We wouldn’t have to keep players just because they haven’t been here that long.

Also, would you have been happy for us to write off this season? That’s essentially what we would have been doing by not buying the players we did in January.

You cross those bridges when you come to them. We had an immediate need that had to be addressed. I doubt we'd have much trouble moving the players on if it turns out we've got too many.

As far as I am aware the midfielders in our squad are contracted to 2020 and beyond. Getting rid is easier said than done, e.g. Carruthers in the JTW. One poster in another thread suggested that instead of spending £2-3m on three players in an attempt to replace Coutts, we may have been better off spending the same on one player of higher quality. I think that would have been a better option.

 

[UnitedBlade]

The article said that he was ‘heading the plan’. It could be McCabe’s idea for the Prince to buy him out with the support of this consortium.

I think some people are assuming there’s a boardroom battle going on when actually there’s been no real evidence for it.

It’s not my experience elsewhere that a departing co-owner leads the discussions with a significant new investing partner on behalf of the other partner! What could possibly go wrong?

The evidence of discord comes from McCabe’s talk at the Octogan on Monday. I wasn’t there and of course nothing would have been overt.

You could be right, they are totally in harmony but I suspect they aren’t.

 

[LJBlade]

As far as I am aware the midfielders in our squad are contracted to 2020 and beyond. Getting rid is easier said than done, e.g. Carruthers in the JTW. One poster in another thread suggested that instead of spending £2-3m on three players in an attempt to replace Coutts, we may have been better off spending the same on one player of higher quality. I think that would have been a better option.

But we needed 2-3 players as we were really short in a lot of positions.

Another argument is that Wilder signed the players he did because he thinks they can make the step up with us.

 

[snootyfenooty]

But we needed 2-3 players as we were really short in a lot of positions.

Another argument is that Wilder signed the players he did because he thinks they can make the step up with us.

Holmes - never at his age and history
Leonard - the jury's out
Evans - possibly

 

[mancunianblade]

Complete non story. its early Feb so too early to fill the rag with made up 2+2= Maybe 4 so lets fill an inch with this. I mean the club announced the Prince was taking over the club so unless he never picks up the phone and pretends we don't exist he will still have to invest millions even if he never sanctions another signing ever again.

 

[LJBlade]

It’s not my experience elsewhere that a departing co-owner leads the discussions with a significant new investing partner on behalf of the other partner! What could possibly go wrong?

The evidence of discord comes from McCabe’s talk at the Octogan on Monday. I wasn’t there and of course nothing would have been overt.

You could be right, they are totally in harmony but I suspect they aren’t.

But there’s no reason, no evidence to suspect that they aren’t.

How many times have you worked at a football club? It’s fairly well known that they often operate differently to other types of business. It’s also often been said that McCabe won’t ‘sell us down the river’ and leave us with a dodgy owner. Maybe he’s leading this plan so that he can ensure we’re being set up properly for the future?

What was it about McCabe’s talk that made you think there is evidence of discord?

 

[sheffielder]

Question from me - if Kev was in his way out why would wilder go with him on Monday? Unless they had been somewhere before...

 

[LJBlade]

Holmes - never at his age and history
Leonard - the jury's out
Evans - possibly

So you agree we actually needed 2-3 players then?

And you also agree that 2 out of those 3 could actually make the step up?

We were in a position where we had Lundstram, Fleck, Duffy and Carruthers as the only players available for 3 positions and there was no real cover for either Fleck or Lundstram. Signing one player for £3m would have been a brilliant idea if one of those 4 had got injured just afterwards. It would have left us back in the same position.

 

[axel smeets]

I hear that statement on a regular basis. Sometimes it's reyt and sometimes it isn't. Nixon doesn't get 100% of his rumours correct, but he doesn't do too badly. In view of what's currently going on at our club, perhaps there's some credence to it?

I agree. Not a dig at yourself anyway.