Will we send Wednesday down?

[UddersBlade]

My thoughts:

1. In an ideal world, Wednesday get related as soon as possible. If that’s Tuesday night… good.

2. We want three points.

3. If we win, and it sends Wednesday down, wonderful.

4. I still hate derby matches, and I will be a bag of nerves whatever.

100% agree with you. I’ve been watching derbies since 1970 and hate them all. Form generally goes out of the window. Honestly I’d take a 1-0 win now - get it over with!

 

[Wilder-bout Chris]

Have no Mercy Chris.....

 

[Wilder-bout Chris]

Start the Engine....

 

[Snake]

Does anyone actually fucking know what the case is with regards to us sending them down? All I can see is people saying they know then being called daft.

Surely it’s fairly simple now? If we beat them then they can only reach 32. Fourth bottom are currently on 33.

Woooooh! I'm with you! Am I thick? If we beat pigs they can only get a maximum of 32 points. If Leicester get summat Next Saturday at Stoke then they will be on more than 32 points. All the others (except Oxford) are already on more than 32 points.

So it's simple right? Leicester don't lose on Saturday and we beat pigs (SENDING THEM DOWN) on Sunday.

What am I missing???

 

[Selly]

Leicester don't lose on Saturday and we beat pigs (SENDING THEM DOWN) on Sunday.

What am I missing???

That the Leicester game is irrelevant? We win, they are down.

They might be down before the game, but if we beat them there are no if or buts.

 

[Sheffsteel]

In "simple" terms Wedy can get a maximum 35 points now, but only 32 after we beat them Sunday, or 33 if we draw.
Ideally we want to relegate them on Sunday, not watch them go down on Saturday.
IF Blackburn (35), WBA (34), and Pompey (33) ALL reach 36 on Saturday, Wedy are 100% down.
Pompey have 2 away games, Charlton and Millwall. WBA have to beat Coventry at home. Blackburn need a draw at home to Preston.
It could happen but, not likely is it ?
IF Leicester (32) plus 2 of the above 3 reach 35, Wedy are only 99.9999999999% relegated because of goal difference.
When we beat them on Sunday they will be 100% gone and facing public humiliation at BDTBL. (whatever happens Saturday).
IF Leicester and/or Pompey reach 34 a draw would be good enough (but not for us).

So basically I’d say the chance of us sending Wednesday down on Sunday is about 80%.

The max points Sheff Wed can get at the moment is 35 points.
For Wednesday to be relegated before we play them all 3 results below would need to happen.

Portsmouth need a single win (2 draws aren’t good enough) in either their away match at Charlton in midweek or their away match at Millwall on Saturday.
A single win takes them to 36 points whereas 2 draws puts them on 35 so still officially catchable on goal difference.

Blackburn need at least a point (a draw) at home to Preston Friday night.
A single draw takes them to 36 points. Blackburn are currently on 35 points so still officially catchable on goal difference.

WBA need to win at home to Coventry Saturday afternoon taking them to 37 points
If they draw at home to Cov they would be on 35 pts and still catchable on goal difference.

Forget Leicester and Oxford because even if Sheff Wed go above them they would still be in a relegation place (3rd from bottom).

If we win on Sunday then the max points Sheff Wed could achieve would be reduced to 32 and only Leicester and Oxford have points at that level
Meaning even if we win those 2 clubs could still be catchable, however as explained Sheff Wed need to be above 3 teams not 2
…….thats why the Oxford and Leicester results become irrelevant.

 

[Sheffsteel]

That the Leicester game is irrelevant? We win, they are down.

They might be down before the game, but if we beat them there are no if or buts.

If they are down before we play them because Portsmouth, Blackburn and also WBA have all picked up points
then if we beat them they are still down and has no effect on them….so we would lose and they would still be officially relegated.

 

[Selly]

For Wednesday to be relegated before we play them all 3 results below would need to happen.

Portsmouth need a single win (2 draws aren’t good enough) in either their away match at Charlton in midweek or their away match at Millwall on Saturday.
A single win takes them to 36 points whereas 2 draws puts them on 35 so still officially catchable on goal difference.

Blackburn need at least a point (a draw) at home to Preston Friday night.
A single draw takes them to 36 points. Blackburn are currently on 35 points so still officially catchable on goal difference.

WBA need to win at home to Coventry Saturday afternoon taking them to 37 points
If they draw at home to Cov they would be on 35 pts and still catchable on goal difference.

There might be some edge cases where some of the above doesn't happen and they are still down as some of the teams have to play each other. So for example if Portsmouth win, Blackburn lose, WBA win, and Leicester win.

That would leave Leics and Blackburn on 35 points, 42 ahead of SWFC(1990) and in 3rd and 4th bottom.

SWFC would then be unable to stay up as Leicester and Blackburn play each other on the last day -meaning one or both would pick up points.

The same is true if the 2 teams on 35 are Portsmouth and Leicester, as they still have to play each other.

If all 3 are on 35 then they aren't down as Leicester could win both the games meaning Portsmouth and Blackburn aren't guaranteed to pick up any additional points.

 

[Trigger Blade]

If they are down before we play them because Portsmouth, Blackburn and also WBA have all picked up points
then if we beat them they are still down and has no effect on them….so we would lose and they would still be officially relegated.

Imagine how unbothered they would be if they beat us and kill off our slight chance of making the playoffs.

 

[tincan]

The dilemma is whether to wear a "thank you Delphon Chansiri" t shirt or adapt the "Welcome back Wilder" flag for the Kop, to " Thank you Lord Delphon", Uniteds player of the decade...

 

[Andy67]

A win for United would be historically significant. Possibly the most significant league match ever. Not just for sending the pigs down (if possible), but doing the DOUBLE Double over them. Something that we've only achieved once and only on the technicality that WW2 was a thing that happened in between those matches.

The pigs have also only done the double double over us one time. Although they nearly did the treble double over us during the time they achieved this, well over 100 years ago now...

So even if they are relegated before we play them. We still have something to hit them with and play for.

Quite frankly, this is a childhood dream of mine that could come true. I know a lot of my Blades friends and family feel the same childish giddiness about this.

Let's get it done.

More than this the catastrophe of it will damage the club for years. It is a fact that relegation has a massive hangover but a hangover of this magnitude is more likely to lead to no return in the immediate future and possibly another relegation. I think us being pipped to promotion by them had the same damaging impact on us.

 

[Balham]

Updated from here with the yesterday's results

The Let's-Send-Them-Down requirements

1. As it stands, Wednesday (1990) are 40 points from safety with 42 to play for
   
   
2. They will need to go into the match on the 22nd between 40 and 42 points from safety. Fewer than 40 and they could mathematically stay up after the Derby, more than 42 and they will already be down
   
   
3. The side fourth from bottom therefore needs to end the day on February 21st on a minimum of 33 points and a maximum of 35
   
   
4. This means that the gap to the teams going into the match on the 22nd will be
   1. Oxford: minimum 35, maximum 38
   2. Leicester: minimum 39*, maximum 42
   3. Blackburn: minimum 42*, maximum 45
   4. Portsmouth: minimum 40, maximum 46
   5. West Brom: minimum 41, maximum 44
   
   
5. Results elsewhere mean that Leicester’s match against Stoke is inconsequential
   
   
6. If these results happen on Saturday, Wednesday will get relegated before they face us
   1. Portsmouth get three or more points from Charlton (A) & Millwall (A)
   2. West Brom beat Coventry (H)
   3. Blackburn get a point against Preston (H)

 

[djbaldken]

I'm sure I'll go to hell for this:

It's only a game!


Purely in the interest of clarity, the number of times I've said out loud what I'm thinking, and then had to suffer the consequences are manifold.
I never learn.

 

[Rusty view]

The dilemma is whether to wear a "thank you Delphon Chansiri" t shirt or adapt the "Welcome back Wilder" flag for the Kop, to " Thank you Lord Delphon", Uniteds player of the decade...

28k singing Chansiri will do for me.

But let's get behind lads. Thought 1st 15 mins of boro game atmosphere was quality

 

[Pintor75]

Maybe we could arrange a box of tissues ( small box) on away fans seats just in case!

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

I want this as a tifo fully covering the Kop

 

[More Bladier than thou]

 

[Snake]

Updated from here with the yesterday's results

The Let's-Send-Them-Down requirements

1. As it stands, Wednesday (1990) are 40 points from safety with 42 to play for
   
   
2. They will need to go into the match on the 22nd between 40 and 42 points from safety. Fewer than 40 and they could mathematically stay up after the Derby, more than 42 and they will already be down
   
   
3. The side fourth from bottom therefore needs to end the day on February 21st on a minimum of 33 points and a maximum of 35
   
   
4. This means that the gap to the teams going into the match on the 22nd will be
   1. Oxford: minimum 35, maximum 38
   2. Leicester: minimum 39*, maximum 42
   3. Blackburn: minimum 42*, maximum 45
   4. Portsmouth: minimum 40, maximum 46
   5. West Brom: minimum 41, maximum 44
   
   
5. Results elsewhere mean that Leicester’s match against Stoke is inconsequential
   
   
6. If these results happen on Saturday, Wednesday will get relegated before they face us
   1. Portsmouth get three or more points from Charlton (A) & Millwall (A)
   2. West Brom beat Coventry (H)
   3. Blackburn get a point against Preston (H)

You are wrong!

It is much more simpler than that.

Every team except Leicester (Oxford are irrelevant as they are 2nd bottom) have more than 32 points

All that needs to happen is Leicester to not lose against Stoke on Saturday - putting them on at least 33 points.

Then if we beat pigs on Sunday IT WILL OFFICIALLY RELEGATE THEM....... as the maximum points they can get after our game is 32.

Simples!!!!

 

[HD8 Blades]

Dejphon Chansiri, he’s one of our own, would be a great song for the day.

 

[Balham]

You are wrong!

It is much more simpler than that.

Every team except Leicester (Oxford are irrelevant as they are 2nd bottom) have more than 32 points

All that needs to happen is Leicester to not lose against Stoke on Saturday - putting them on at least 33 points.

Then if we beat pigs on Sunday IT WILL OFFICIALLY RELEGATE THEM....... as the maximum points they can get after our game is 32.

Simples!!!!

You are wrong!

Wednesday can currently get to a maximum of 35 points by winning all 14 of their remaining matches. That means that, in theory, they can catch Portsmouth (21st on 33 points), West Brom (20th on 34) and Blackburn (19th on 35). They need to catch one of them in addition to overhauling Oxford (23rd, 28) and Leicester (22nd, 32).

If Portsmouth beat Charlton on Tuesday they move to 36 points. Wednesday couldn't catch them.

If Blackburn draw with Preston on Friday, they move to 36 points. Wednesday couldn't catch them.

If West Brom beat Coventry on Saturday, they move to 37 points. Wednesday couldn't catch them.

That would leave the table at 5pm on Saturday looking like this. Wednesday would have a big fat R next to their name and we wouldn't have done it.

19 West Brom P33 Pts37
20 Blackburn P33 Pts36
21 Portsmouth P33 Pts36
22 Leicester P33 Pts32
23 Oxford P33 Pts28
24 Wednesday P32 Pts-7 R

 

[Snake]

You are wrong!

Wednesday can currently get to a maximum of 35 points by winning all 14 of their remaining matches. That means that, in theory, they can catch Portsmouth (21st on 33 points), West Brom (20th on 34) and Blackburn (19th on 35). They need to catch one of them in addition to overhauling Oxford (23rd, 28) and Leicester (22nd, 32).

If Portsmouth beat Charlton on Tuesday they move to 36 points. Wednesday couldn't catch them.

If Blackburn draw with Preston on Friday, they move to 36 points. Wednesday couldn't catch them.

If West Brom beat Coventry on Saturday, they move to 37 points. Wednesday couldn't catch them.

That would leave the table at 5pm on Saturday looking like this. Wednesday would have a big fat R next to their name and we wouldn't have done it.

19 West Brom P33 Pts37
20 Blackburn P33 Pts36
21 Portsmouth P33 Pts36
22 Leicester P33 Pts32
23 Oxford P33 Pts28
24 Wednesday P32 Pts-7 R

Mate, I always doubt myself cos erm I wasnt't the brightest of bulbs at school.

At the moment they can get 35 points - yes.

But, when the final whistle blows on Sunday if we have won, they can only get a maximum of 32. Which would mean that (assuming Leicester get at least a point the day before) pigs are officially down.

What am I missing?

Edit - I see what I'm missing, we are talking about different scenarios - yours where they could (if all the moons align) be relegated before Sunday - ok!

 

[CPsufc]

To officially relegate Wendy on Sunday we need at least TWO of the following four scenarios to happen:

Leicester - Lose or Draw (A) to Stoke
Portsmouth - Lose or Draw (A) to Charlton & Lose or Draw (A) to Millwall
West Brom - Lose or Draw (H) to Coventry
Blackburn - Lose (H) to Preston

 

[Balham]

Mate, I always doubt myself cos erm I wasnt't the brightest of bulbs at school.

At the moment they can get 35 points - yes.

But, when the final whistle blows on Sunday if we have won, they can only get a maximum of 32. Which would mean that (assuming Leicester get at least a point the day before) pigs are officially down.

What am I missing?

Edit - I see what I'm missing, we are talking about different scenarios - yours where they could (if all the moons align) be relegated before Sunday - ok!

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Wednesday will be down by the end of the match on Sunday. Instead it's a matter of whether they'll be down before we kick off.

 

[Silent Blade]

Mate, I always doubt myself cos erm I wasnt't the brightest of bulbs at school.

At the moment they can get 35 points - yes.

But, when the final whistle blows on Sunday if we have won, they can only get a maximum of 32. Which would mean that (assuming Leicester get at least a point the day before) pigs are officially down.

What am I missing?

Edit - I see what I'm missing, we are talking about different scenarios - yours where they could (if all the moons align) be relegated before Sunday - ok!

Three teams including Wendy go down, not just two teams.

 

[Snake]

Three teams including Wendy go down, not just two teams.

Yep, my bad. I wasn't even contemplating that they could go down before we play them on Sunday!

Note to self ........................ read and fully digest a post before replying

 

[staton]

Mate, I always doubt myself cos erm I wasnt't the brightest of bulbs at school.

At the moment they can get 35 points - yes.

But, when the final whistle blows on Sunday if we have won, they can only get a maximum of 32. Which would mean that (assuming Leicester get at least a point the day before) pigs are officially down.

What am I missing?

Edit - I see what I'm missing, we are talking about different scenarios - yours where they could (if all the moons align) be relegated before Sunday - ok!

You are correct in what you say, BUT, the point is IF the other results go the way during this week as being described, 3 other teams will be on 36 points and Wednesday will be mathematically relegated on Saturday. If you are in the same boat as me and many others, we hope at least one of them slips up and remain on 35 or less so that we can deliver the fatal blow on Sunday.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

WBA v Coventry is the safety net. Can't see WBA getting 3 points, which means it's game on for a Sunday bonus.