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At this moment Wilder represents a safe pair of hands , abeit tied by resources which isnt such a bad thing either. Suits his siege mentality .

It is though a little like dealing with someone who has a compulsive disorder or an addiction.

I cant help thinking were a few bad results away from him losing his sh1t , blaming everyone , weird team selections , weirder press conferences.

Lets hope it doesnt come to that and moderate success keeps him and the club on an even keel .
 



Thankfully it appears that Micky Collins is much more involved and a stronger personality than Alan Knill was and he will in my opinion have much more of an input to “protect” Wilder from himself
 
I don’t think he’s right for the club anymore, but equally the last thing we need right now is a new manager.

I couldn’t find that option.

Like most of the debate surrounding CW, it isn’t simply black and white, the grey areas on the stay/go spectrum often have the most compelling arguments.
 
That completely matches my memory as a 17 year old. We all abused him for missing (inspiring the hilarious Wednesday 'ThankGivens Day'), but then we found out that regular taker Matthews had bottled it, and nobody else stood up.
Peters was perhaps sold a pup, but he was way past it and a poor manager. What seemed like a half decent squad, plucked a relegation from nowhere, much like 2011.
Yes Matthews chickened out ! But the real culprit was Peters who died a while ago.Ultra professional but had no idea how to motivate his team.
The big problem was the dire situation the club was in financially, building the South stand and relegation straight after killed us.
We were lucky in the fact Reg Brearley stepped in and pulled us round financially although that wasn't the end of our troubles with some chairman and officials not up to the task! Anyone around at the time will know who I mean.
We are in crisis again it seems and luckily we have a manager who lives and bleeds the Blades ! that's lucky! anyone wanting him out at this stage is nieve in the extreme.
Stick with it Chris 99% of us beleave in you and will pull it round.
 
For one, I don't think that Chris Wilder should be above criticism, and there has been plenty of stuff he hasn't got right, but plenty more he has been bang on the money with.

I was critical of him last season, possibly a bit harsh on him as he could only really work with the tools that had been left for him after James Bord and Ruben Selles had been left unattended by adults to work on their rebuild last summer.

With the current situation, we wont be bringing anyone in for money, and left to scratch round with loans and free transfer, and as the season progresses, this squad will become a lot more threadbare with injuries and suspensions, and if anyone thinks with this squad we are going to pushing the higher echelons of the Championship need their bumps feeling. Therefore the situation requires experience, a wily old campaigner who can stem the bleed, and help keep our heads above water and at the minute Chris Wilder fills that role perfectly.

We need to stick with him, batten down the hatches and tough it out until hopefully the clowns that own us, sort their shit out and we find ourselves in a position where we can progress onwards.

I strongly suspect that the handful of empty vessels who habitually call for his head, are generally non match attenders and want Sheffield United to lose, just to add fuel to their odd little obsession with Wilder.
 
I’m no Wilder cultist but it would be absolute insanity to get rid of him with the club in its current predicament..

We are 50/50 to go down as it is.. start dicking about with changing the manager as things are and it goes 90/10 in favour of relegation
Was going to make the sort of post that this indicates the archetypal glass half empty mentality then compare to the actual chances in the market, but we are actually 25/75 to go down, so I guess they have already priced in the possibility of a points deduction. That 25/75, if Wilder was sacked, would probably switch to all of 24/76 at worst
 
That completely matches my memory as a 17 year old. We all abused him for missing (inspiring the hilarious Wednesday 'ThankGivens Day'), but then we found out that regular taker Matthews had bottled it, and nobody else stood up.
Peters was perhaps sold a pup, but he was way past it and a poor manager. What seemed like a half decent squad, plucked a relegation from nowhere, much like 2011.
 
Let's see where we are, say, end of October. I believe bringing wilder back was a mistake but like others, in current circumstances we don't have many options.

However, as a mate was saying to me today, it's still a pretty decent first team we have, a bit reduced when looking at the second string.

What I don't want is an implosion where we're looking fooked ahead of Christmas, players out injured and wilder going even more negative and shifting all fault to the owners. At that point we may as well twist and see if anyone else can get a tune out of what's left.
 
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Was going to make the sort of post that this indicates the archetypal glass half empty mentality then compare to the actual chances in the market, but we are actually 25/75 to go down, so I guess they have already priced in the possibility of a points deduction. That 25/75, if Wilder was sacked, would probably switch to all of 24/76 at worst
From Oddschecker: Championship - Relegation Betting Odds ; Lincoln. 4/7 ; Preston. 11/8 ; Bolton. 2/1 ; Sheffield Utd. 7/2 ; Cardiff City. 7/2. I genuinely think that we would shorten considerably if Wilder was replaced.
 
Let's see where we are, say, end of October. I believe bringing wilder back was a mistake but like others, in current circumstances we don't have many options.

However, as a mate was saying to me today, it's still a pretty decent first team we have, a bit reduced when looking at the second string.

What I don't want is an implosion where we're looking fooked ahead of Christmas, players out injured and wilder going even more negative and shifting all fault to the owners. At that point we may as well twist and see if anyone else can get a tune out of what's left.
If we are in that position, I might well agree, but as you say, it's not one for now - 100% support is what is needed.
 
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From Oddschecker: Championship - Relegation Betting Odds ; Lincoln. 4/7 ; Preston. 11/8 ; Bolton. 2/1 ; Sheffield Utd. 7/2 ; Cardiff City. 7/2. I genuinely think that we would shorten considerably if Wilder was replaced.
I think you overstate how much of a difference a manager would actually make in our situation but if you disagree, that's fine
 



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From Oddschecker: Championship - Relegation Betting Odds ; Lincoln. 4/7 ; Preston. 11/8 ; Bolton. 2/1 ; Sheffield Utd. 7/2 ; Cardiff City. 7/2. I genuinely think that we would shorten considerably if Wilder was replaced.
Shorten considerably? We were 20/1 a couple of weeks ago.
 
My first wife and I were Godparents to one of Don's girls and I wrote this at the time.

Don was married to my first wife's best mate in Manchester and they knew him from his days at Man U.

I got on really well with Don and we stayed with them in Crowthorne, Berkshire, and they stayed with us in Leeds on several occasions.

By the way, Don joined us with 16 matches left and we were in 12th position - he played 11 and scored 3 under Martin Peters and if a player wanted to speak to Martin Peters, they had to make an appointment.

On the day of the match, my then father-in-law and I were sat in the JSS and we had gifts for one of Don's girls as it was her birthday and we had agreed to meet him after the match.

When Don finally went to take the penalty, my father-in-law (who had know Don since he was a lad at Man U) said to me, "Don's taking it - no chance he'll score."

When the game was over, we went round to the player's entrance and waited for Don. We asked for a message to be taken to him that we had the gifts - a message came back to leave them with the doorman as it was going to be a long time before they could leave.

Next day, in the evening, we phoned Don's wife to see how he was and she told us this.

"We had Sunday dinner and I left Don to wash up. I heard the dishes clattering as he put them into the sink and I could hear the water running. I was playing with the kids in the lounge for a while and suddenly realised there was no noise coming from the kitchen but there was no sign of Don who used to love playing games with his daughters.

I went to the kitchen to see that the sink was overflowing and there was water every where.

Don was slumped over the table with his head in his hands shaking his head as he relived the match and the missed penalty. He had told me that John Matthews was down to take penalties but he had refused. No-one else would step up so Don took the responsibility even though he was absolutely no penalty taker.

He was reliving the match and hates himself and blames himself but what could he do? No-one else would take the penalty."

Don Givens has always been blamed for taking us down and to me, the blame has always rested with Martin Peters. He took over in January from Harry Haslam when Harry was ill and we were 12th in the table with 16 to play.

Another sh1te manager!

The attached photo at our place in Leeds in the early 80's: from left; my Father in law, Moi, Mrs BoSS I's biological brother (she was adopted by my in-laws), and Don Givens far right.

He was gutted and he told me once that whenever he drives near Sheffield, he wears a mask!!! ;)
Great story,I was there and at the time we saw all the other players turn their heads. I don’t blame him one iota. Players,no matter who they are,shrink when something important rolls up in front of them. We deserved to go down because of previous results,ala Warnock in the Premier League.
 
I’m totally not a Wlder fan, but in our current position we need someone who genuinely loves the club and knows how to work around these circs, best we can hope for right now.
 
Great story,I was there and at the time we saw all the other players turn their heads. I don’t blame him one iota. Players,no matter who they are,shrink when something important rolls up in front of them. We deserved to go down because of previous results,ala Warnock in the Premier League.
Couldn't agree with you more.
 
I’m totally not a Wlder fan, but in our current position we need someone who genuinely loves the club and knows how to work around these circs, best we can hope for right now.
Why does love of club trump ability?

Don't get me wrong, when the chips are down - and if we get a deduction - Wilder is one of a few managers id actually trust to get the players fighting (as we've seen him do before), but if that situation doesn't happen? Do we trust him to achieve with this team?
 



Great story,I was there and at the time we saw all the other players turn their heads. I don’t blame him one iota. Players,no matter who they are,shrink when something important rolls up in front of them. We deserved to go down because of previous results,ala Warnock in the Premier League.
yes that is a great story john mathews was the guilty party that day he had been thumping penalties in all that season as an anecdote i happened to be at swillsborough the night mike doyle struck a similar penalty straight in to the hands of peter grumitt at the kop end of the sty it was so obvious he missed it deliberately and that man city were throwing that game unfortunately for the pigs nobody told ian bowyer who was given a right royal bollocking by tony book when he scored the winner 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 

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