Wilder OUT - megathread

[HOT CURRIE 10]

yes that is a great story john mathews was the guilty party that day he had been thumping penalties in all that season as an anecdote i happened to be at swillsborough the night mike doyle struck a similar penalty straight in to the hands of peter grumitt at the kop end of the sty it was so obvious he missed it deliberately and that man city were throwing that game unfortunately for the pigs nobody told ian bowyer who was given a right royal bollocking by tony book when he scored the winner

Similar happened at old Trafford with a Denis Law flimsy back heel to send Manchester United down,he never attempted anything during the game and he said I aimlessly back heeled it and it pea rolled into the net. Then we come to Hans Segars….

 

[tincan]

I was at the ga

At the time Don Givens was the leading international goalscorer for Northern Ireland. It was a reasonable expectation given his experience and willingness to take the kick, that he'd slot it home. Alas not to be as he weakly passed the ball to the Walsall keeper. Cue rage and pandemonium.

He wasn't ever going to score, absolute shambles of a player when he got to us. Having said that Martin Peters is the worst manager we have ever had. I would take 10 Selles appointments before another disinterested fool like him

 

[Dkc]

Shorten considerably? We were 20/1 a couple of weeks ago.

Yes the rumours of a points deduction have also lengthened our odds for promotion (8/1) and top 8 (2/1). Top 8 is a decent bet presuming no points deduction is applied.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Republic of Ireland

From wiki

"Don Givens became the all-time leading goalscorer for the Republic of Ireland during his remarkable four-goal performance against Turkey in a 4-0 European Championship qualifying victory on November 20, 1975.:

As soon as the match was finished and before they could even shower and change out of their kit, Don and Johnny Giles, were driven to the presidential Palace in Dublin to be presented to the then president, Caroll O'Daly. (They had their boots slung over their shoulders and they were just in their stockinged feet!). He presented Don with a Shamrock made of green marble! I saw it on next visit to the family home. It was about 8" high and weighed a ton!

 

[SBSP]

Shackleton on, by choice.

Think that answers the question.

 

[Niallllll]

Wonder when we start discussing if wilders previous successes at the lane were purely down to the strength of his squad for the league we were in and nothing more? Akin to Nigel Adkins.

 

[Peaktrade]

He’s reminding me of Clough era. Started off really well then after a few poor results ended up being negative Nige.. Wilder seems to have A similar trajectory

 

[SBSP]

Now

 

[BiggerBladeThanThou]

WTF was that? What was the plan there?

 

[Blackheath Blade]

WTF was that? What was the plan there?

Some people can't fuckin wait. For fuck's sake get back in yer box.

 

[Peaktrade]

Wilder talks about he knows all about Sheffield Uniteds identity.. this is NOT our identity! Never say die attitude! Going at the opposition, nicking last minute wins.
NOT park the bus Wilder tactic full of defensive minded players!
Serious WTF is this crap?

 

[BiggerBladeThanThou]

Some people can't fuckin wait. For fuck's sake get back in yer box.

I’ve been waiting since Sunderland PO final.

 

[Montytheblade]

No pattern of play, no style of play.

Not played through midfield once from the keeper. Inability to break a press.

Hoofing the ball up to Tom Cannon (who made the best of a shite situation) would score 13/14+ in any other side that plays any actual style of football.

Cardiff completely dominated us from start to finish.

Around, through and over tho eh.

 

[BiggerBladeThanThou]

No pattern of play, no style of play.

Not played through midfield once from the keeper. Inability to break a press.

Hoofing the ball up to Tom Cannon (who made the best of a shite situation) would score 13/14+ in any other side that plays any actual style of football.

Cardiff completely dominated us from start to finish.

Around, through and over tho eh.

All on wilder.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

WTF was that? What was the plan there?

A decent point away, even if the performance wasn’t great.

Two away games, both six‑hour round trips - I’ll take two points from Swansea and Cardiff all day. Swansea have won their other two, and Cardiff have the wind in their sails after promotion.

Chill out.

 

[Montytheblade]

A decent point away, even if the performance wasn’t great.

Two away games, both six‑hour round trips - I’ll take two points from Swansea and Cardiff all day. Swansea have won their other two, and Cardiff have the wind in their sails after promotion.

Chill out.

But be honest, the football is shite. Sat watching Cooper ping it to Cannon for 90mins.

 

[Champagneblade]

A decent point away, even if the performance wasn’t great.

Two away games, both six‑hour round trips - I’ll take two points from Swansea and Cardiff all day. Swansea have won their other two, and Cardiff have the wind in their sails after promotion.

Chill out.

We’ve played 5 games and not lost any of them.

When your Board can’t wait to cash in on your creative players then don’t be surprised if you end up with an attritional line up.

Win the next home game and it will look like a reasonable start.

It is an excuse but it’s a bit rough having three away games on the spin. Didnt lose any of them either.

Let’s see if the window gives us any more insight as to whether we will have the options to be more expansive. Probably not.

 

[MartBlade]

We’ve played 5 games and not lost any of them.

When your Board can’t wait to cash in on your creative players then don’t be surprised if you end up with an attritional line up.

Win the next home game and it will look like a reasonable start.

It is an excuse but it’s a bit rough having three away games on the spin. Didnt lose any of them either.

Let’s see if the window gives us any more insight as to whether we will have the options to be more expansive. Probably not.

Spot on

 

[BiggerBladeThanThou]

I think some of you forget we have enough quality in our squad to be imposing ourselves a lot better than we are at the moment. A better manager has this squad playing much better.

It’s like the off the field shenanigans are papering over the cracks. Whereas I’m of the opinion that we should be playing much better and that is on Wilder.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

But be honest, the football is shite. Sat watching Cooper ping it to Cannon for 90mins.

Yep, I won’t deny it is. I said as much on the shoutbox during the game….but it’s a point gained

We lack creativity badly and we clearly don’t have the money you need to sign those types of players unfortunately.

I think Wilder knows that & he’s gone for the tough to beat route.

Hopefully we can express ourselves a bit more at home. Still undefeated, reasons to be positive

 

[Cheesebored]

Wonder when we start discussing if wilders previous successes at the lane were purely down to the strength of his squad for the league we were in and nothing more? Akin to Nigel Adkins.

Yeah that team would never do well in the Premier league.

 

[Peaktrade]

We’ve played 5 games and not lost any of them.

When your Board can’t wait to cash in on your creative players then don’t be surprised if you end up with an attritional line up.

Win the next home game and it will look like a reasonable start.

It is an excuse but it’s a bit rough having three away games on the spin. Didnt lose any of them either.

Let’s see if the window gives us any more insight as to whether we will have the options to be more expansive. Probably not.

Woah let’s not just say “the board”. Yes they’re partly responsible but the manager also has to take responsibility. Look at Hull last year!! They didn’t have money to spend and pretty much went with freebies too. Got the tactics right, an identity and won games.

When you look at the balance of the team it’s a wtaf? How many cdms? Shortage of wingers etc. chasing old targets etc etc

 

[Snowflake]

I think some of you forget we have enough quality in our squad to be imposing ourselves a lot better than we are at the moment. A better manager has this squad playing much better.

It’s like the off the field shenanigans are papering over the cracks. Whereas I’m of the opinion that we should be playing much better and that is on Wilder.

The danger is that we end up with a worse manager.

 

[MobileBlade]

Woah let’s not just say “the board”. Yes they’re partly responsible but the manager also has to take responsibility. Look at Hull last year!! They didn’t have money to spend and pretty much went with freebies too. Got the tactics right, an identity and won games.

When you look at the balance of the team it’s a wtaf? How many cdms? Shortage of wingers etc. chasing old targets etc etc

After 3 games Hull were 15th with 4 points

 

[harrry1990s]

This thread should be COH/1919 Out.

First things first and all that.

 

[Deadbat]

We’ve played 5 games and not lost any of them.

When your Board can’t wait to cash in on your creative players then don’t be surprised if you end up with an attritional line up.

Win the next home game and it will look like a reasonable start.

It is an excuse but it’s a bit rough having three away games on the spin. Didnt lose any of them either.

Let’s see if the window gives us any more insight as to whether we will have the options to be more expansive. Probably not.

We had players like O'Hare and Bamford yet both are being bypassed (goal apart) as we are just lumping it. There are players in thise two alone that most teams, including Cardiff would love to have. They must have looked ar Cardiff's neat, progressive football where they went around us/through us and over is, and been envious. We have a keeper and CBs just smacking it and a plethora of slow, immobile midfielders who constantly toss possession away.

The board deserve criticism but today's performance was horrific and on another day we lose 5 or 6-2.

I think questions have to be asked about Wilder's tactics and style. Last year we had Hamer/Brooks who would bail us out occasionally but the lack of clear plan was evident.

I am concerned Wilder says he should not need to coach players and constantly says its not tactics. Sadly these are still quite important. We have better players than we are showing at the moment even accounting for some poor players. Its too easy to keep blaming the board. The lack of a clear plan or style is extremely concerning. If the current lack of offensive approach continues allied to the defensive issues that reared its head today (as much down to structure than individuals) then we aren't getting much higher than my predicted 14th.

 

[NerdyBlade]

This thread should be COH/1919 Out.

First things first and all that.

They don't control the tactics and the players

Are we struggling to improve the squad because of them? 100%

Are we shite tactically because of them? No - that unfortunately falls on Wilder

 

[Keen Blade]

Wilder threw away any chance of 3 points today by his appalling defensive minded decisions at HT.
He wants us to defend for 45 minutes ?
Stubborn mardy twat.
Absolutely no plan or personnel to move the ball forward on the front door.
CoH as a CF ????
Cannon as a false 9 who drifts to the RW.
Not a single MF who brings or passes the ball forward.
We were so lucky to get a point.
If Cardiff could shoot straight we couldn't have complained at losing 5-2.
Away end went quiet - no one around me could understand what Wilder had done.
Then with hardly any time left he brings on BBD - why didn't BBD replace Bamford at HT ?
Why not play a RB instead of Baptiste who was clueless at RB and was NEVER stopping their LW attacks in first half.
Utter tripe Wilder.
Are you trying to send some sort of coded message to the owners ?
Forget that - try and pick a team which makes sense - make subs that make sense.
Just do the obvious stuff or feck off.

 

[NerdyBlade]

My thinking is - we're being built to be hard to beat. However, we didn't seem that - we conceded after 2 mins.

It's very reminiscent of how CW wanted us to play against Burnley and Leeds when we finished 3rd. I didn't like it then, but it made sense against brilliant, freescoring sides. Makes absolutely no sense to be doing it week in week out

Also, wtf was that decision to have Baptiste at RB over Tanganga? Or Doherty?

 

[harrry1990s]

They don't control the tactics and the players

Are we struggling to improve the squad because of them? 100%

Are we shite tactically because of them? No - that unfortunately falls on Wilder

First things first.

Most managers are going to struggle with this situation. (Feel free to mention Hull).

I’m 60/40 in favour of Wilder but it’s hard to know if we keep selling our best players, or don’t sign the good players available.