Wilder contract

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Bladezz said:
That team was adding to Wilders dream team in the championship. That’s why Hecky doesn’t really get any plaudits outside of some in Sheffield.

This recruitment drive is better than last seasons with a big profit.
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Archer was a loan (no money) amongst various other loans, traore sold but for what he was bought (hecky target) probably not, larouci probably not, Hamer possibly Souza (?) remember how Hecky was given a ball park figure what he could spend and then he had a meeting with them in Europe and they told him that he didn’t have cash to spend.
 

Our over reliance on loans and no long term strategy in a period has been shocking. If we had a long term plan then young new signings and older pros could be integrated. Getting rid of so many players could have been catastrophic but appears, by design or luck that we’ve managed to get some good players and by necessity had to introduce academy lads who have equipped themselves very well. I genuinely believed that this season had a relegation written allover it.
 
I’ll hold my hands up and say I didn’t want him back. Loved the first spell obviously, loved the man; but that last season wrecked him. Then everything he did after he left just seemed sad; he looked a proper busted flush. I especially didn’t like his return in how it was clearly on the cards for so long and just felt very disrespectful to Heckingbottom. And when he did come back, nothing really changed. But to be fair what could he do at that point with that shower? There wasn't much pride left to salvage.

So I’d happily have seen him gone in May as part of the clear out. Full fresh start.

But….

As pleasently surprised as I’ve been by the signings and enjoyed both games so far, the most pleasing thing im seeing right now is Wilder himself. He’s got something of the “old” Wilder to him. Yes; its mega early days, and who knows what happens when we inevitably have a poor run and/or lose to somebody shit, or if we lose a key player to injury/picked off before deadline, etc. He might react badly to the pressure, start lashing out and gobbing off again and it all ends in tears. But right now, he’s got that twinkle in his eyes again. He looks and sounds like he’s got a spark back. We know how infectious that can be with players and fans. So yeah, I’m not getting carried away; despite the good will from the first run, he’s still got some convincing to do. But SO FAR, considering the takeover uncertainty, number of player exits and aftermath of last seasons utter embarrassment, I’m happy to give him another shot…. and who doesn’t love a redemption story?
 
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Andy67 said:
Heckingbottom had very little control over who was signed (worked with next to no money)
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I see this comment alot but why was this then? It's funny that in a division lower (less money) Wilder seems to recruit better players?

Our 11 at PNE was better than vs Palace in the PL.

Just doesn't make sense how a certain manager (CW) recruits a better squad in the lower leagues.
 
Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou said:
I see this comment alot but why was this then? It's funny that in a division lower (less money) Wilder seems to recruit better players?

Our 11 at PNE was better than vs Palace in the PL.

Just doesn't make sense how a certain manager (CW) recruits a better squad in the lower leagues.
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Sold players that had been crucial to tjat success and told he couldn’t buy. Hecky was dealt a shit hand and if you are given minimal amount then you tend to get poor players. A big deal was made of Archer who was effectively a loan. Could have got Gyorkes or numerous others but they told him he wouldn’t get money for transfers.
 
Andy67 said:
Archer was a loan (no money) amongst various other loans, traore sold but for what he was bought (hecky target) probably not, larouci probably not, Hamer possibly Souza (?) remember how Hecky was given a ball park figure what he could spend and then he had a meeting with them in Europe and they told him that he didn’t have cash to spend.
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Agree but Irrelevant to my point.

Wilder has made this side better with a net transfer profit. The recruitment has been better cutting the wage budget, with approx £12m in profit and an improved younger side all while done in the division below.
 
Andy67 said:
Sold players that had been crucial to tjat success and told he couldn’t buy. Hecky was dealt a shit hand and if you are given minimal amount then you tend to get poor players. A big deal was made of Archer who was effectively a loan. Could have got Gyorkes or numerous others but they told him he wouldn’t get money for transfers.
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But even then those players were given to him from the previous regime. Again I agree it’s difficult selling your players but there were others that would have made us a lot more competitive.

Players like Jaden Philiogene , Morgan Rodgers , Barkley were all within budget and went to lesser teams. I understand that’s with hindsight but the players were there.
 
Greenblades said:
Now I was ( and still am ) not sure about CW coming back but one thing I find incredible is that all these signings are his. I’m not a Prince fan either but when things went wrong it’s always the other persons fault. CW called the ownership out last time and took his cash. Now these are all his signings. If we sell Hamer it will be tinpot prince etc … seriously it’s about new owners … nothing to do with CW. Grbic as an example …… useless Prince or brilliant CW.
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How dare you!

You won't get many likes round these parts for bringing balance and nuance to an argument. Especially where old Princey is concerned...

Wilder's biggest issue was his ego and lack of self awareness. It appears failing at Middlesbrough and Watford, then getting dry bummed for half a season last season, has meant his ego is back in the box.

My only concern is what happens when we're top 2 at Christmas and the old Wilder Egomaniac starts having smoke blown up his arse by Gary Lineker etc. Does he now have the self awareness to recognise this before he starts blaming playstation managers for losses...
 
The problem with having a go at Wilder's ego, lack of self awareness and demands for new contracts is that it was all merited. He was incredibly successful over a very long period, whilst also developing a new style of football, something very few managers have ever done. He won manager of the year and had us consistently punching well above our weight.

Now he's had what almost all managers have, a bad spell. His stock isn't high, he isn't likely to get poached by a bigger club if he does well so has little leverage to ask for more pay.
 
It's only one game and on that one game things look on the up but for the people who are comparing heckys start to wilders start aren't being fair, what would wilders team be like if hamer and arblaster was sold a few days before the season started and then had to start scrabbling around to try to get quality in with only a week or so before the window shut, also wilders transfers had to be capable to play against championship players not world class players that heckys signings had to be, there's a world of difference especially with the amount of money he was given, I like hecky and I like wilder but you cant compare the challenges they faced
 
Bobby b said:
It's only one game and on that one game things look on the up but for the people who are comparing heckys start to wilders start aren't being fair, what would wilders team be like if hamer and arblaster was sold a few days before the season started and then had to start scrabbling around to try to get quality in with only a week or so before the window shut, also wilders transfers had to be capable to play against championship players not world class players that heckys signings had to be, there's a world of difference especially with the amount of money he was given, I like hecky and I like wilder but you cant compare the challenges they faced
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Let’s be honest here.

The promotion team under Hecky, even with N’Diaye and Berger in it was rarely impressive, they never controlled long spells in games. We never saw a performance like we’ve just had away at PNE where we looked so comfortable for almost the whole match.

Most games in the promotion season we were generally average, with 10 to 20 minute spells where we looked good and played some nice football. When leading, the last 20 to 30 minutes of every match we sat back parking the bus defending in numbers booting it out anywhere.

We never played like a well oiled team, we mainly won due to individual brilliance from N’Diaye and sometimes McAtee, then we battled really well with a great defence. It wasn’t always pretty but it was pragmatic and very effective.

In fairness to Hecky 2 seasons ago it was a case of win at any costs. We were under so much pressure to win, the performance was irrelevant, however don’t think it prepared us for the PL.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Let’s be honest here.

The promotion team under Hecky, even with N’Diaye and Berger in it was rarely impressive, they never controlled long spells in games. We never saw a performance like we’ve just had away at PNE where we looked so comfortable for almost the whole match.

Most games in the promotion season we were generally average, with 10 to 20 minute spells where we looked good and played some nice football. When leading, the last 20 to 30 minutes of every match we sat back parking the bus defending in numbers booting it out anywhere.

We never played like a well oiled team, we mainly won due to individual brilliance from N’Diaye and sometimes McAtee, then we battled really well with a great defence. It wasn’t always pretty but it was pragmatic and very effective.

In fairness to Hecky 2 seasons ago it was a case of win at any costs. We were under so much pressure to win, the performance was irrelevant, however don’t think it prepared us for the PL.
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I agree with everything you say, everything, but I was trying to point out to the people who were comparing the beginning of this season to the beginning of the last one that it's like comparing apples with oranges, the teams and players wilders team will face this season doesn't remotely compare with what hecky was facing, the signings that wilder has made excite me, I think mainly because of the league we're in, had hecky made those same signings last year I wouldn't have had as much high hopes,
 
Bladezz said:
We need to get him a new deal ASAP.

We seem to be having a love in from Sky which is unusual and Wilder’s names seems to be spoken about in high regard across England.

I believe his contract is up at the end of the season. Needs to be sorted as a priority.
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If you're not Chris's mate or family, he really does need to take an injunction out
 
Davalon said:
If you're not Chris's mate or family, he really does need to take an injunction out
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Seems strange that liking our best manager in recent times results in your comment.

We have a manager with 11 months on his contract. I think we should extend it. That makes me Wilder’s friend / family then so be it.
 

Bobby b said:
I agree with everything you say, everything, but I was trying to point out to the people who were comparing the beginning of this season to the beginning of the last one that it's like comparing apples with oranges, the teams and players wilders team will face this season doesn't remotely compare with what hecky was facing, the signings that wilder has made excite me, I think mainly because of the league we're in, had hecky made those same signings last year I wouldn't have had as much high hopes,
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Heckys signings of Trusty / Slimane / Traore / Tom Davies all now don’t play in the league below. A £4million loan signing in Archer was dreadful though.

They’ve now lost there spots by signings made in the championship. The recruitment drive last season was dreadful, whoever is to blame I don’t know. But the team is now better and we should be looking forward much more positively
 
Bladezz said:
Seems strange that liking our best manager in recent times results in your comment.

We have a manager with 11 months on his contract. I think we should extend it. That makes me Wilder’s friend / family then so be it.
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You're utterly obsessed by him to a level beyond anyone else I've seen online. That personal observation doesn't automatically equate to me not thinking he didn't do a fantastic job previously, nor that I'm not really pleased with how this summer has gone so far.
 
Davalon said:
You're utterly obsessed by him to a level beyond anyone else I've seen online. That personal observation doesn't automatically equate to me not thinking he didn't do a fantastic job previously, nor that I'm not really pleased with how this summer has gone so far.
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Well thank you for your personal observation.
 
Bladezz said:
Heckys signings of Trusty / Slimane / Traore / Tom Davies all now don’t play in the league below. A £4million loan signing in Archer was dreadful though.

They’ve now lost there spots by signings made in the championship. The recruitment drive last season was dreadful, whoever is to blame I don’t know. But the team is now better and we should be looking forward much more positively
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It's easy to look at the duds, but given the rushed nature of that summers signings it was always a possibility, look at the academy players that he was instrumental in coaching not only in the youth set up but also in the first team, remember he gave debuts to jebberson, Brooks, osula, seriki, marsh and hackford to name a few, 2 of those players gave wilder the money to make his signings, 2 of those players are important 1st teamers and a couple are on the fringes.
Look, it seems that I'm heckys biggest fan, all I'm saying is that you can't compare this season to last, and I think that should be obvious
 
Bobby b said:
It's easy to look at the duds, but given the rushed nature of that summers signings it was always a possibility, look at the academy players that he was instrumental in coaching not only in the youth set up but also in the first team, remember he gave debuts to jebberson, Brooks, osula, seriki, marsh and hackford to name a few, 2 of those players gave wilder the money to make his signings, 2 of those players are important 1st teamers and a couple are on the fringes.
Look, it seems that I'm heckys biggest fan, all I'm saying is that you can't compare this season to last, and I think that should be obvious
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He coached them very well at youth level. Then he just couldn’t translate that to the first team. Hecky had a huge reluctance to use any of the youngsters. He even loaned the star boy out on loan!

The recruitment was terrible. Whether you like Hecky or not is irrelevant. It was a horror show and hopefully we don’t have a repeat of that next time we are in the Premier league.
 
Bladezz said:
He coached them very well at youth level. Then he just couldn’t translate that to the first team. Hecky had a huge reluctance to use any of the youngsters. He even loaned the star boy out on loan!

The recruitment was terrible. Whether you like Hecky or not is irrelevant. It was a horror show and hopefully we don’t have a repeat of that next time we are in the Premier league.
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Hopefully we don't have the ownership that we had last time because that for me was the main issue
 
Andy67 said:
Our over reliance on loans and no long term strategy in a period has been shocking. If we had a long term plan then young new signings and older pros could be integrated. Getting rid of so many players could have been catastrophic but appears, by design or luck that we’ve managed to get some good players and by necessity had to introduce academy lads who have equipped themselves very well. I genuinely believed that this season had a relegation written allover it.
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Much as I’m happy for a big outlay on this lad my point stands it is short termism and we need a long term plan. For the record I did say ‘believed’ that was before we slightly loosened the purse strings.
 
Bobby b said:
Hopefully we don't have the ownership that we had last time because that for me was the main issue
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Agreed. But if it wasn’t for that owner Wilder would never have left.
 
Don’t need to offer him a new contract, just lock the back door 😇

Seriously though, it’s striking how many of the new signings have mentioned Wilder and his vision for them as a big reason for them signing with us.

I know it’s a standard interview reply but a lot of them are saying it.
 
Ldn_Rd_Blades said:
Don’t need to offer him a new contract, just lock the back door 😇

Seriously though, it’s striking how many of the new signings have mentioned Wilder and his vision for them as a big reason for them signing with us.

I know it’s a standard interview reply but a lot of them are saying it.
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Don’t you think that line about signing due to the manager is a bit over produced?
I reckon folk are being pulled into a carefully constructed narrative designed to support a potentially vulnerable manger, given new owners are coming in.
 
Wright1889 said:
Does anyone know why Utd don’t upload the full match presser to YouTube anymore?
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Assume because it's one of the perks of being a SUTV member, at a cost of £4.50 per month.

Think it does eventually appear on YouTube eventually, maybe later tonight
but SUTV members get priority and are able to see the manager interviews live.
 

Davalon said:
You're utterly obsessed by him to a level beyond anyone else I've seen online. That personal observation doesn't automatically equate to me not thinking he didn't do a fantastic job previously, nor that I'm not really pleased with how this summer has gone so far.
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Actually the weirdest thing about him is that he’s incapable of making a post praising Wilder without throwing in an attack on Hecky. The 2nd weirdest thing is the number of times he states things as fact that are actually incorrect & then tries to double down on it. A very strange person.
 
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