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BLADES1988 said:
Was this made before the Mcburnie goal against Man U? That was a VAR for us so would make us -2?
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That wasn't an overturned goal. The ref thought it was a goal, VAR confirmed it was. If the ref had blown his whistle for handball then VAR checked and gave the goal, it would be a decision in our favour.
 
No mention of the Ward Prowse penalty incident that continues to niggle CW.
 
Our 5 decisions have been split 3 for plays involving United players and two for plays involving the opposition.

VAR decisions for us:
McBurnie (Southampton home): did Egan touch the ball? I'm not sure he did and he didn't affect the goalkeeper. For me, that VAR call was incorrect
Lundstram (Spurs away): Spurs cleared the ball, we recycled play. 100% incorrect VAR decision to rule that Lundstram was offside
Basham (Norwich away): definitely correct decision to overturn Basham's red card

VAR decisions for the opposition:
Shelvey (Newcastle home): they clearly need to tighten up the rules on what happens when the linesman's flag goes up but that shouldn't change that the decision to allow the goal was correct
Egan (Villa home): had he been wearing a Liverpool shirt with 66 on the back this wouldn't have been given but it's probably the correct call.

We're not getting the benefit of marginal decisions being made for us, we're having marginal decisions given against us. Plus ca change.

Addison said:
No mention of the Ward Prowse penalty incident that continues to niggle CW.
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That was a refereeing decision confirmed by VAR. The article is looking at overturned decisions and disallowed goals.
 
BLADES1988 said:
Was this made before the Mcburnie goal against Man U? That was a VAR for us so would make us -2?
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Surely only an event counts either way if a decision is changed? So Mcburnie's goal was given then checked & given, so no change from the on-field decision so isn't counted
 
Addison said:
No mention of the Ward Prowse penalty incident that continues to niggle CW.
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Interesting that the one on Saturday was given and ours not. No complaints really as VAR got it right on Saturday but again it comes down to inconsistencies. The very thing that VAR was brought in to cut out.

I think that alone proves it’s not working as it should.
 

I still say three of the four VAR decisions against us were incorrect and these don't include the Southampton hand ball or the blatant foul on Egan in the run up to the Leicester winner where VAR backed up a wrong on field refereeing decision.
 
I suppose you could argue that, given our overall disciplinary record, we are generally involved in more refereeing decisions than other teams, and therefore more likely to be subject to VAR involvement.
 
BettingBlade said:
Interesting that the one on Saturday was given and ours not. No complaints really as VAR got it right on Saturday but again it comes down to inconsistencies. The very thing that VAR was brought in to cut out.

I think that alone proves it’s not working as it should.
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Who said 'inconsistencies' were the 'very thing' to be ruled out?

Inconsistencies are inevitable when human beings are involved at different times. different places, different incidents ,never identical. My goodness how many were there before VAR?

Surely VAR is intended to provide more correct decisions, more justice and fairness.
 
Marty_Mcfly said:
I suppose you could argue that, given our overall disciplinary record, we are generally involved in more refereeing decisions than other teams, and therefore more likely to be subject to VAR involvement.
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Is our disciplinary record poor?
 
metalblade said:
I still say three of the four VAR decisions against us were incorrect and these don't include the Southampton hand ball or the blatant foul on Egan in the run up to the Leicester winner where VAR backed up a wrong on field refereeing decision.
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Don't think the Leicester goal was looked at was it? Should have been that's for sure.
 
anglian blade said:
they missed a disallowed goal against Norwich.
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Thats right. We should be on -4. So we top of the league for var decisions going against ..... who'd have thunk it eh! Good job we are fucking good.
 
Woodwardfan said:
Who said 'inconsistencies' were the 'very thing' to be ruled out?

Inconsistencies are inevitable when human beings are involved at different times. different places, different incidents ,never identical. My goodness how many were there before VAR?

Surely VAR is intended to provide more correct decisions, more justice and fairness.
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The example I gave literally proves that they still aren’t getting all the decisions correct because of inconsistencies. Both players clearly have their arms in unnatural positions and both are clear penalties. VAR is meant to prevent these inconsistencies and yet it just doesn’t.

There are plenty of football fans up and down the country who would disagree that it’s making the the game fairer. The assumption was that with VAR you’d now get that last minute stonewall pen away at Old Trafford. Not a chance they’d overturn it based on the way it’s been used so far. If it was for Man U on the other hand.....these are the inconsistencies that VAR was supposed to prevent, but it won’t.
 
BettingBlade said:
The example I gave literally proves that they still aren’t getting all the decisions correct because of inconsistencies. Both players clearly have their arms in unnatural positions and both are clear penalties. VAR is meant to prevent these inconsistencies and yet it just doesn’t.

There are plenty of football fans up and down the country who would disagree that it’s making the the game fairer. The assumption was that with VAR you’d now get that last minute stonewall pen away at Old Trafford. Not a chance they’d overturn it based on the way it’s been used so far. If it was for Man U on the other hand.....these are the inconsistencies that VAR was supposed to prevent, but it won’t.
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I know what you mean but prior to VAR the media, the authorities and the referees association brushed under the carpet all the 'iffy' incidents which were all suffered and borne by the clubs affected, usually clubs like ours, certainly smaller clubs compared to big clubs.

At least now there is another stage beyond the vulnerable referee, pretending he saw it and denied it, a man doing an impossible job pretending he was in charge, capable and dependable. Impossible and deceitful, but human nature searching for justification and approval.

Now we have the opportunity to help referees do their job better. They do not welcome it and have tried to fudge it to maintain their role, their power base and their importance.

Smaller clubs will benefit, of course they will. The whole system encourages scrutiny as it evolves and improves. Big clubs ruled the referees in the past, one way or another.
 
BettingBlade said:
The example I gave literally proves that they still aren’t getting all the decisions correct because of inconsistencies. Both players clearly have their arms in unnatural positions and both are clear penalties. VAR is meant to prevent these inconsistencies and yet it just doesn’t.

There are plenty of football fans up and down the country who would disagree that it’s making the the game fairer. The assumption was that with VAR you’d now get that last minute stonewall pen away at Old Trafford. Not a chance they’d overturn it based on the way it’s been used so far. If it was for Man U on the other hand.....these are the inconsistencies that VAR was supposed to prevent, but it won’t.
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As a ' betting blade ' youu will know how many times your bets have been ruined by a dosgy referee's decision in the last few minutes if a game especially if you were betting against Real Madrid or Man Utd.
 
BettingBlade said:
The example I gave literally proves that they still aren’t getting all the decisions correct because of inconsistencies. Both players clearly have their arms in unnatural positions and both are clear penalties. VAR is meant to prevent these inconsistencies and yet it just doesn’t.

There are plenty of football fans up and down the country who would disagree that it’s making the the game fairer. The assumption was that with VAR you’d now get that last minute stonewall pen away at Old Trafford. Not a chance they’d overturn it based on the way it’s been used so far. If it was for Man U on the other hand.....these are the inconsistencies that VAR was supposed to prevent, but it won’t.
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As I said to you above, ruling out inconsistencies in human judgement, concentration, ability, motivation in moving, dynamic sport is impossible. Nobody claims otbherwise, just big improvement on offer.
 

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