Tom Lawrence

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Netsix_and_chill said:
Gets my goat a bit this, Wilder went out of his way to buy completely one footed players, never seen such a collection whose off foot is just for standing on assembled before.

I get you have a preferred foot but I'm of the opinion that if you are a professional footballer above conference level you should at least be able to swing at it with the other foot.

Our lot waste so many chances and give the ball away so much trying to get it onto their good foot.
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True, BUT, the point (the managers are worrying about) is not being able to play simple passes with the left foot (for an LCB), or even tackle with the weaker foot... The main point is providing top quality passes with that foot - the foot used relates to the angles of passes available on the pitch. Etc.
 

brownblade said:
True, BUT, the point (the managers are worrying about) is not being able to play simple passes with the left foot (for an LCB), or even tackle with the weaker foot... The main point is providing top quality passes with that foot - the foot used relates to the angles of passes available on the pitch. Etc.
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Agree, but we often see the current crop of players refusing to even play the simple pass with the weaker foot, they pull up like a horse refusing to jump a fence 😂
 
If we sign Lawrence I'd hope and assume he'll be on an average wage for our first team, incentivised by the team winning matches and heavily incentivised by promotion.

I'm not confident enough that he's worth being a top earner. Though I imagine he's a better pro after a season of being captain for Rooney. But the red cards are the cherry on top of my overall concerns.
 
brownblade said:
If we sign Lawrence I'd hope and assume he'll be on an average wage for our first team, incentivised by the team winning matches and heavily incentivised by promotion.

I'm not confident enough that he's worth being a top earner. Though I imagine he's a better pro after a season of being captain for Rooney. But the red cards are the cherry on top of my overall concerns.
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Agree...Lawrence is very talented but so inconsistent.
If you composed a highlights YouTube clip of his best bits....he easily looks Premier League quality
but as been mentioned before the Derby fans who see him every week aren't as impressed.

Still worth having though....on his day he's a top player at Championship level.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Agree...Lawrence is very talented but so inconsistent.
If you composed a highlights YouTube clip of his best bits....he easily looks Premier League quality
but as been mentioned before the Derby fans who see him every week aren't as impressed.

Still worth having though....on his day he's a top player at Championship level.
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But where does he fit? It’s a lot of money for a benchwarmer and we will have a forward on the pitch so one of the supporting midfielders will be Ndiaye.
 
Presume the front 3 will be either

N’Diaye
Berge
Lawrence (Replacing MGW)

Or

N’Diaye
Lawrence
Brewster/Sharp

Berge
Doyle

But, I think will Berge will be gone by September 1st.
 
Gin&Juice said:
Presume the front 3 will be either

N’Diaye
Berge
Lawrence (Replacing MGW)

Or

N’Diaye
Lawrence
Brewster/Sharp

Berge
Doyle

But, I think will Berge will be gone by September 1st.
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I can’t see us not starting Brewster or Sharp and surely it Berge goes we would target an appropriate replacement, not Lawrence?
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
I can’t see us not starting Brewster or Sharp and surely it Berge goes we would target an appropriate replacement, not Lawrence?
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We need more Ndiaye types though. Can't rely on him for 46 matches. Also we often played Ndiaye and MGW behind one striker. If that's still in the thinking we probably need to buy x2 Attacking Midfielders.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
I can’t see us not starting Brewster or Sharp and surely it Berge goes we would target an appropriate replacement, not Lawrence?
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Why do you think he’s not an appropriate replacement? Weren’t Berge’s key attributes the ability to go past players, carry the ball and link midfield to the attack? IMO, that’s the role he thrived in. Isn’t Lawrence a similar player in those respects?

And, as I said re Anel, don’t we need strength in depth? For me, that’s having players who can come in and be as good as the player they’re replacing. Whatever our actual financial situation is, I don’t want to see us bringing in squad fillers on two/three year contracts, I’d much rather see us sign players who’ll actually compete for a first team place and keep the regulars from getting complacent.
 
This feels a little like insurance if Berge goes.

Even with Hecky looking to fill 6 positions, he can do that without signing Lawrence.

1.Davies - Davies re-signs.
2.Uremovic/Goode - Ahmedhodžić.
3.Davies - ? Youngster or Ahmedhodžić covers this too or is JOC back? Or does Norrington-Davies cover? Either way it isn't Lawrence.
4. Hourihane - Coulibaly gives an extra body in midfield and we still have Osborn.
5. Gibbs-White - Doyle.
6. McGoldrick - N'Diaye.

You play a no 10 and you have Berge in his new more advanced role and Doyle as options, where Pep suggested he would play best, both competing. This then leaves N'Diaye and Sharp, or some mix of Brewster, McBurnie and Jebbo/Osula. That's 2 10s and at least 4 senior centre forwards plus young lads.

Or you play 3 up top and you've got Berge, N'Diaye and Doyle competing for 2 slots and Sharp, Brewster and McBurnie for one before you look to the younger lads.

It seems well stocked. You remove Berge and it looks potentially light all of a sudden. N'Diaye has to be a no 10 option so you lose a striker and you've got no alternative to N'Diaye and Doyle if you play 2 behind a striker.

It makes sense to get in there early and not be looking to replace Berge with some random gamble in the last hour. Alternatively, with our injury record, maybe it is just insurance for absences. Having the extra forward when 3 seniors are coming off the back of an injury and the other forward has seldom completed the full ninety is common sense. Even Berge had a bad injury in recent times.
 
Champagneblade said:
This feels a little like insurance if Berge goes.

Even with Hecky looking to fill 6 positions, he can do that without signing Lawrence.

1.Davies - Davies re-signs.
2.Uremovic/Goode - Ahmedhodžić.
3.Davies - ? Youngster or Ahmedhodžić covers this too or is JOC back? Or does Norrington-Davies cover? Either way it isn't Lawrence.
4. Hourihane - Coulibaly gives an extra body in midfield and we still have Osborn.
5. Gibbs-White - Doyle.
6. McGoldrick - N'Diaye.

You play a no 10 and you have Berge in his new more advanced role and Doyle as options, where Pep suggested he would play best, both competing. This then leaves N'Diaye and Sharp, or some mix of Brewster, McBurnie and Jebbo/Osula. That's 2 10s and at least 4 senior centre forwards plus young lads.

Or you play 3 up top and you've got Berge, N'Diaye and Doyle competing for 2 slots and Sharp, Brewster and McBurnie for one before you look to the younger lads.

It seems well stocked. You remove Berge and it looks potentially light all of a sudden. N'Diaye has to be a no 10 option so you lose a striker and you've got no alternative to N'Diaye and Doyle if you play 2 behind a striker.

It makes sense to get in there early and not be looking to replace Berge with some random gamble in the last hour. Alternatively, with our injury record, maybe it is just insurance for absences. Having the extra forward when 3 seniors are coming off the back of an injury and the other forward has seldom completed the full ninety is common sense. Even Berge had a bad injury in recent times.
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We could do with another striker on loan or a free agent. Unless Hecky sees more in Jebbo and Osula.
 
Bladesman said:
We could do with another striker on loan or a free agent. Unless Hecky sees more in Jebbo and Osula.
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I honestly think for the likely incremental contribution of Gordon, Lopata, Jebbison and Osula would actually be best served playing a full season elsewhere as starters with a view to all challenging for a place next year if we didn't go up.

It seems they have all outgrown the U23s but aren't quite ready to be in the United XI as someone we can count on.
 
BushBlade said:
Why do you think he’s not an appropriate replacement? Weren’t Berge’s key attributes the ability to go past players, carry the ball and link midfield to the attack? IMO, that’s the role he thrived in. Isn’t Lawrence a similar player in those respects?

And, as I said re Anel, don’t we need strength in depth? For me, that’s having players who can come in and be as good as the player they’re replacing. Whatever our actual financial situation is, I don’t want to see us bringing in squad fillers on two/three year contracts, I’d much rather see us sign players who’ll actually compete for a first team place and keep the regulars from getting complacent.
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Brilliant BB, simply brilliant
 

brownblade said:
We need more Ndiaye types though. Can't rely on him for 46 matches. Also we often played Ndiaye and MGW behind one striker. If that's still in the thinking we probably need to buy x2 Attacking Midfielders.
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Where are you playing Berge? I personally think there’s at least one AAA loan we’ll be looking to.l bring in close to the deadline.
BushBlade said:
Why do you think he’s not an appropriate replacement? Weren’t Berge’s key attributes the ability to go past players, carry the ball and link midfield to the attack? IMO, that’s the role he thrived in. Isn’t Lawrence a similar player in those respects?

And, as I said re Anel, don’t we need strength in depth? For me, that’s having players who can come in and be as good as the player they’re replacing. Whatever our actual financial situation is, I don’t want to see us bringing in squad fillers on two/three year contracts, I’d much rather see us sign players who’ll actually compete for a first team place and keep the regulars from getting complacent.
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I personally think if Berge goes we’ll look to replace with a better level talent rather than someone who’s not really shone in several seasons at this level. He doesn’t score at lot from midfield and doesn’t create a lot either, so I see him exactly as a squad filler and an expensive one at that. I like the Anel move because I’d expect him to start, pushing one of our first team from last season to the bench, giving us more depth. Lawrence I’m not sure does push anyone down.
Of course all my concerns with him could be due to him playing in a struggling side and he may shine with us, like Didsy. I just have huge questions about him being our Berge replacement option when we have loan places and wage budget available for MGW level loans.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
Where are you playing Berge? I personally think there’s at least one AAA loan we’ll be looking to.l bring in close to the deadline.

I personally think if Berge goes we’ll look to replace with a better level talent rather than someone who’s not really shone in several seasons at this level. He doesn’t score at lot from midfield and doesn’t create a lot either, so I see him exactly as a squad filler and an expensive one at that. I like the Anel move because I’d expect him to start, pushing one of our first team from last season to the bench, giving us more depth. Lawrence I’m not sure does push anyone down.
Of course all my concerns with him could be due to him playing in a struggling side and he may shine with us, like Didsy. I just have huge questions about him being our Berge replacement option when we have loan places and wage budget available for MGW level loans.
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Agree with all of this. I think Berge will be sold. Even if he stays we need another attacking midfielder for rotation and cover.

I'm absolutely not a huge Lawrence fan. But he does have good technical abilities that could be of use in a long season.

And yes, we'll definitely be looking to get more strong loanees in. So Lawrence may just be a rumour anyway.
 
Lawrence is right footer, but prefers to play at inside left. If we go with 3 upfront, it could well be Berge Brewster Lawrence. With Ndiaye competing across the line or replacing Berge. Given we are short on goals from other positions, the front 3 really needs to carry the load and although he is far more inconsistent, Lawrence is probably more likely to hit 10-15 mark than other players available this summer like Swift and Wallace. The Doyle signing, might also be with the possibility of selling Berge in mind. Like Berge he has spent much of career in a deeper role, but opinions seem to be he would be more effective pushed forward.
 
bonobo said:
Lawrence is right footer, but prefers to play at inside left. If we go with 3 upfront, it could well be Berge Brewster Lawrence. With Ndiaye competing across the line or replacing Berge. Given we are short on goals from other positions, the front 3 really needs to carry the load and although he is far more inconsistent, Lawrence is probably more likely to hit 10-15 mark than other players available this summer like Swift and Wallace.
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Interesting view especially if you remove penalties from his total and just look at goals from open play he was nowhere near breaking 10 goals nevermind 15. I’m not sure where he picks up the missing numbers as he’s unlikely to be on pens for us. Again, as with the other comments I hope he’s massively underperformed for Derby and we’re going to be the team to unlock his potential but given his record you have to be sceptical.
 
Asked my mate, who's a lifelong Derby season ticket holder, for his thoughts...

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