Sunderland vs Sheffield United

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Sunderland SUND 2 - 1
Half Time: 2 - 1
2 - 1
Half Time: 2 - 1
2 - 1
Half Time: 2 - 1
Sheffield United SUFC
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EFL Championship Matchweek 25 - Wednesday 1st January 2025 - 20:00 - Stadium of Light
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Sides that get promoted tend to pick up points from the teams around them in the league.
They are called 6 pointers.

We have lost 4 games and a 6 point advantage relative to Leeds , Boro , Burnley & Sunderland.
To say that doesn't matter is wrong.

Especially when we've already lost 2 points before a game was played.
 
Wilder sets up to fucking lose and should start to be questioned by us fans, I have always supported him but any old excuse now! Do we ever attack in numbers or fucking entertain rather than looking like a 4th Division team whos' won a prize to play in the Championship! Fucking hell Wilder that was Shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Garbage, didn’t you notice Brooks cramping up against Burnley? He has just come back in the team and his game time needs managing, likewise Burrows has played an awful lot of minutes and in any case McCullum did well I thought. Wilder is trying to protect players whilst working with a threadbare squad.
 
They are called 6 pointers.

We have lost 4 games and a 6 point advantage relative to Leeds , Boro , Burnley & Sunderland.
To say that doesn't matter is wrong.

Especially when we've already lost 2 points before a game was played.
Leeds lost to Burnley.
Burnley lost to Sunderland.
Sunderland lost to us at Bramall lane.
Middlesborough lost to Leeds.

The fact is better teams at the top of the division are more difficult to beat.

Teams that get promoted are teams that get more points than anyone else over 46 games. That’s it.
 
To sum up, Moore and Robinson have cost us big time here,neither are good enough to start in a promotion hopeful team.
Yet Robinson was made captain and Moore was given a 3 year contract at 32 so we can see him get even slower
 
Remember when you bet me at start of season that we wouldn’t be 15 points above the pigs this season? 😜
Doesn’t bode well for your predictions..

Not over yet matey. 1 point out of 9 can soon become 2 out of 18. This team is light and it’s also run out of luck.
 
I don’t understand how anyone can say injuries have cost us in this game, we’ve completely dominated the ball and not laid a glove on them, it’s the reason we’ve scored 3 in a match only once this season. That’s a style issue, not a player issue. Good in-between both boxes though, plenty to build on I suppose.
Mackems also had a lot out injured.
 
Decent performance, poor result. Really hope we pull the trigger on a couple of transfers really quickly, even just to pad the bench for Watford, but wilder said expect nothing until Norwich
You would think with all the time to prepare signings due to obvious defects in the squad , we could have had a couple in tomorrow.
 
My take on it all….

All three goals are errors from the other team … botched clearance , dwelling on the ball , poor positioning and and own goal.

We missed a pen.

None of the above can be legislated for.

First half I thought we were poor and handed the initiative to Sunderland.

Second half I thought we were loads better without really looking threatening until the last 10/15 minutes.

On another day we take a draw.

Bit I will say this … I haven’t enjoyed a single United performance this season… yes I have enjoyed the results and the smash and grabs and I have enjoyed the spells we have in games … but I can’t pick out one single game that I could say I really enjoyed watching us play.

even when we had the whole team fit I don’t think we played well I think we rely on individuals in the team for moments of magic.
We are set up all wrong when in possession.
We couldn't be attractive or entertaining to watch if we played this way from now till doomsday.
All the reasons have been thoroughly ventilated on here so I'm not going to rehearse them again.

Oh ...

Go on then ...

We are SLOW in transition.

We have slow , injury prone strikers.

We have Hamer stuck out on the LW.
Despite plenty of evidence that we get goals when he's on the RW , like tonight & at Millwall.

We persist with inverted wingers which gets us nowhere.
JRS & Brooks never switch to LW to favour their stronger foot.
Not even occasionally , despite the fact that we only ever play one winger.
So we rarely get to the byline to cross.

We have a 6'5" striker to whom we rarely cross in open play without the oppo defence having had time to get around him.

We rarely play balls forward AHEAD of strikers or wingers for them to run onto , like passes INSIDE the oppo FBs , or chips over defenders.
Most of our build-up is at walking pace and "in front of" the oppo defence.

When the oppo are committed in attack and Coops gathers the ball , he rarely looks for one of our players breaking forward before the oppo defence is set.
Seems to prefer to wait until all the oppo is back and ready , then attempts to "play out from the back".

We make so many backwards & sideways 3 or 5 yard passes , it's like we are trying to consume the minutes with our boring play - minutes in which we could be trying to score.
Crowd is nodding-off by the time we reach halfway line.

You only have to have a look at the stats to see the results.
With the same number of wins & losses , Leeds have 50% bigger GD than us.
We tend to win by 1goal , often 1-0.
Because our defence has been good.

But we've now conceded 5 in 3 games , so this has got to change.

I doubt our new owners will be enjoying being winless , or seeing an auto spot evaporate.
If they dig deep , Wilder needs to address some of the above issues.
 
How did he manage his earlier very good games then? The fact he is young tends to suggest he will suffer fatigue and loss of at some point.
Yes agreed - I meant as a starter in every game - he's getting over-used due to injury circs.
 

Leeds lost to Burnley.
Burnley lost to Sunderland.
Sunderland lost to us at Bramall lane.
Middlesborough lost to Leeds.

The fact is better teams at the top of the division are more difficult to beat.

Teams that get promoted are teams that get more points than anyone else over 46 games. That’s it.
Burnley (8 games) = 3W, 4D, 1L, 13pts
Watford (7) = 4W, 0D, 3L, 12pts
Us (8) = 3W, 3D, 2L, 12pts
Leeds (8) = 3W, 3D, 2L, 12pts
SU (9) = 3W, 2D, 4L, 11pts
Blackburn (8) = 2W, 4D, 2L, 10pts
Boro (8) = 2W, 2D, 4L, 8pts
WBA (8) = 0W, 6D, 2L, 6pts (bus parkers!)

Above is a mini league table of his the promotion contenders have done against each other. I've nicked it from one of our message boards. As you will see its very tight and any win over a promotion rival has to be reckoned with.

However all it takes at the weekend is a good day for Sheffield United and last night is forgotten, the gap between say SAFC and SUFc is back to 5 points, you are equal top with Leeds and the world will be alright with the SU fans again.

Football is a fickle game and the gap between being the 1970 Brazilians and the worst team to ever grace a football field - is very small.....
 
Burnley (8 games) = 3W, 4D, 1L, 13pts
Watford (7) = 4W, 0D, 3L, 12pts
Us (8) = 3W, 3D, 2L, 12pts
Leeds (8) = 3W, 3D, 2L, 12pts
SU (9) = 3W, 2D, 4L, 11pts
Blackburn (8) = 2W, 4D, 2L, 10pts
Boro (8) = 2W, 2D, 4L, 8pts
WBA (8) = 0W, 6D, 2L, 6pts (bus parkers!)

Above is a mini league table of his the promotion contenders have done against each other. I've nicked it from one of our message boards. As you will see its very tight and any win over a promotion rival has to be reckoned with.

However all it takes at the weekend is a good day for Sheffield United and last night is forgotten, the gap between say SAFC and SUFc is back to 5 points, you are equal top with Leeds and the world will be alright with the SU fans again.

Football is a fickle game and the gap between being the 1970 Brazilians and the worst team to ever grace a football field - is very small.....
Please feel free to stay MBH; you talk a great deal more sense than many of the regulars that appear on this forum whenever the Blades don’t win…
 
Please feel free to stay MBH; you talk a great deal more sense than many of the regulars that appear on this forum whenever the Blades don’t win…
We get the same on our board.

Two big clubs with expectant supporters - the frustration is obvious when things don't go to plan.
 
We get the same on our board.

Two big clubs with expectant supporters - the frustration is obvious when things don't go to plan.
we could be playing each other again at wembley mbh 🤔🤔🤔
 
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we could be playing each other again at wembley mbh 🤔🤔🤔
That would be interesting.

Our Wembley record isn't good. I've seen us there 9/10 times since 1973 and we have won only once. We did also win in the Covid period - EFL final v Tranmere - when no fans went - just my luck!!
 
‘questioned’

A
“If Wilders comments are anything like the ones after the last 2 games I would very much hope he doesn't see employment by the morning of the 3rd”

B
“Moore is looking tired. Maybe if Wilder plays him one game in three, and gives Marsh a chance, we might see a few more performances likes Moore’s two quality goals the other week.”

Questioning the manager isn’t the same as saying you really hope he gets sacked tomorrow.

(By the way I think Wilder’s answer to ‘B’ might be “Sometimes a young player takes to 1st team football straight away like Oli. Other times they look superb for the under 21s then really feel the pressure and run around looking lost in first team games (like Brewster) which can set them back a long way in their development; I don’t think Marsh is really ready.”)
There's a difference between hoping he gets sacked tomorrow and saying if he continues to live in a different reality to the rest of us, as his comments post Burnley/WBA suggested, he should probably be doing something else.
 
Didn't go to the match last night. It was so tempting to ring Praise or Grumble to have my say and put things to rights.
 
That would be interesting.

Our Wembley record isn't good. I've seen us there 9/10 times since 1973 and we have won only once. We did also win in the Covid period - EFL final v Tranmere - when no fans went - just my luck!!
could be a tense final then 2 teams who both cant win at wembley 🤔🤣
 
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There's a difference between hoping he gets sacked tomorrow and saying if he continues to live in a different reality to the rest of us, as his comments post Burnley/WBA suggested, he should probably be doing something else.
Sometimes Wilder might put a more positive spin on a performance in a post-match interview than you or I might.
But I’m fairly confident we would both agree that if he does then really it should have no bearing whatsoever on whether or not he remains in employment with Sheffield United.
His employer might have set short term goals of…
A) Completely rebuild team with biggest overhaul of squad for years.
B) Repair damage and prevent any overhang from last year’s shatteringly demoralising season.
C) Get 50 points from 1st half of season.
D) Get promotion by end of season.

We both know that this is all that matters in terms of his staying in employment; and whether he gives an interview that glosses over shortcomings or not is actually irrelevant.
I get that everyone exaggerates to express annoyance and frustration, but also think that it’s better to stick to reality when it comes to criticism. Neither of us think Wilder’s decisions are always perfect: neither of us think every interview he does reflects our views of every game. However, nobody seriously thinks he should be out of a job or doing something else because he of the way he chooses to talk to a reporter after a football match.
 
Sometimes Wilder might put a more positive spin on a performance in a post-match interview than you or I might.
But I’m fairly confident we would both agree that if he does then really it should have no bearing whatsoever on whether or not he remains in employment with Sheffield United.
His employer might have set short term goals of…
A) Completely rebuild team with biggest overhaul of squad for years.
B) Repair damage and prevent any overhang from last year’s shatteringly demoralising season.
C) Get 50 points from 1st half of season.
D) Get promotion by end of season.

We both know that this is all that matters in terms of his staying in employment; and whether he gives an interview that glosses over shortcomings or not is actually irrelevant.
I get that everyone exaggerates to express annoyance and frustration, but also think that it’s better to stick to reality when it comes to criticism. Neither of us think Wilder’s decisions are always perfect: neither of us think every interview he does reflects our views of every game. However, nobody seriously thinks he should be out of a job or doing something else because he of the way he chooses to talk to a reporter after a football match.
Everyone is entitled to their view on it, I am not saying that your view is wrong or mine is right, mine is just the view I hold. I wasn't really all that pleased when it was announced he was returning and I said at the time he would have to show a lot of evidence he's grown since the meltdown when he left us before.

The post match interviews seem to be worse if anything and I am still not really seeing any material evidence that he's improved as a manager or that he is doing anything that Hecky wouldn't have done if he hadn't been sacked. The current debacle over Moore is concerning me also but that's a different story.

I think some of the tactical decision making this season has been terrible and we have somehow outperformed this rather than the reverse. The squad might not be brilliant, but I don't agree with the notion that Wilder has pulled a number of rabbits out of hats this season. The first 11 is plenty good enough to be at the top end of the league and it has been there until the recent injury deluge which in fairness now gives us a very subpar 11 in games.

I will keep mentioning the Moore signing as I think this is a big factor in how the new owners should be assessing matters over the next few weeks. The pressure put on the prince by Wilder to buy Brewster, which really triggered some of the financial issues, for him to then say not long after he wasn't ready for the prem and ended up being a disaster would give anyone pause when handing over cash for new signings. Whoever decided Moore was a good use of funds on a 3 year deal is baffling. If Wilder was the one behind that then again that would really ring alarm bells over the use of the funds we have.

The results have really masked the performances in the first half of the season for me personally too. We have laboured and scraped by on a good few occasions, only a couple of teams have really had a bit of lashing, even if we haven't scored so many. If we were to be promoted I would be very much expecting a similar return to our last appearance in the top flight. I don't see any lessons learned on the managerial side. But again, that's just my view of things so far. I'd be very happy to be proven wrong, but I think there's enough there now to indicate that a long term deal for Wilder would probably not be the best decision for the football club.
 

I don’t understand how anyone can say injuries have cost us in this game, we’ve completely dominated the ball and not laid a glove on them, it’s the reason we’ve scored 3 in a match only once this season. That’s a style issue, not a player issue. Good in-between both boxes though, plenty to build on I suppose.
This, we seem to have been programmed not to get the ball forward or into the box quickly. Time and again we won the ball when they were committed high up the pitch but, instead of getting it up the pitch as fast as possible we ponced about and allowed them to reset their defensive lines. Sorry but that is entirely a coaching issue
 

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