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Of course it's our club. We'll be around when the paper owners all shuffle off.

I'll renew and I'll make my complaints to the club in my own way.

When you say we'll all be around, I accept that SUFC will always be in our hearts but there are plenty of seasoned Blades walking away (from attending matches) - partly because of the general excesses of modern day football and more importantly in my opinion because they feel the club is nowt to do with them at all following McCabe's disgusting property ventures.
 

For me a renewal is an acceptance of McCabe, Birch and disgraceful standard of football we watch.

Ooh check out the principles! :)


There's far more to a Saturday afternoon out than the 90 minutes at BDTBL so I'll no doubt be renewing but effectively giving £409 to McCabe to (in my eyes) pay Birch and Monty, Collins and Doyle will be very painful.

Oh wait a minute, scrap that!

I always thought, throughout your ramblings that you were a man of principle Mic, perhaps thats why I've read a lot of your posts. Obviously you're happy to bang on (like Lenners) about how you despise the regime, but you are, i'm sorry to say, all talk. When it comes to the crunch you're not prepared to take the stand against the regime you despise!
 
I'm going to renew soon and I don't think anything would stop me.

I don't see a reason why not to renew.
 
Ooh check out the principles! :)




Oh wait a minute, scrap that!

I always thought, throughout your ramblings that you were a man of principle Mic, perhaps thats why I've read a lot of your posts. Obviously you're happy to bang on (like Lenners) about how you despise the regime, but you are, i'm sorry to say, all talk. When it comes to the crunch you're not prepared to take the stand against the regime you despise!

You've got it totally wrong pal. I'll be visibly ashamed of me sen when I renew given that I could just about take the kids away for a week for same wedge - that's what I'm getting at, but it's just got to be done. I'm with Pinchy's argument that to not renew is to concede defeat.
 
You love your wife but do you kick her out of the door when she starts doing the dirty on you, forgive and try and patch up the differences or carry on regardless ?

Football clubs in general rely on blind loyalty but there comes a point, particularly when there are alternatives and priorities change, that people move on. To me, and as others have said, SUFC have seen the fan base slowly slip away since relegation and don't appear to be doing anything about it. There will be plenty of fans wavering this summer and what is being done ?
 
You've got it totally wrong pal. I'll be visibly ashamed of me sen when I renew given that I could just about take the kids away for a week for same wedge - that's what I'm getting at, but it's just got to be done. I'm with Pinchy's argument that to not renew is to concede defeat.

Ahh so now your complaint is about the cost being the same as last season.

I'm disappointed Mic, I thought you were better than this, now you're somehow using Pinchy's reasoning that your fight against the club is to keep lining the pockets of the "Hoofy Superstars" (or whatever the footballing Guru that is Pinchy calls the team). Just because you'll be ashamed when you pay doesn't mean that you're not selling your soul to the devil.

Will you hold up a protest placard at every game? Will you boo and hiss at the mention of Trevor Birch and Richard Batho? Or will you just have a pin badge in your inside coat pocket with "McCabe is a baddie" on it?

"True Blades are at the lane" - my arse ;)
 
Next thing you know he'll be building a shed.
 
I think I'll need a bunker when my wife finds out how much I have spent having spent the last year moaning about how bad they are and what a waste of time etc etc.
 
Ahh so now your complaint is about the cost being the same as last season.

I'm disappointed Mic, I thought you were better than this, now you're somehow using Pinchy's reasoning that your fight against the club is to keep lining the pockets of the "Hoofy Superstars" (or whatever the footballing Guru that is Pinchy calls the team). Just because you'll be ashamed when you pay doesn't mean that you're not selling your soul to the devil.

Will you hold up a protest placard at every game? Will you boo and hiss at the mention of Trevor Birch and Richard Batho? Or will you just have a pin badge in your inside coat pocket with "McCabe is a baddie" on it?

"True Blades are at the lane" - my arse ;)

Tough to reply meaningfully to someone as confused as you at present. Maybe you can clarify what on earth you are on about.
 
You love your wife but do you kick her out of the door when she starts doing the dirty on you, forgive and try and patch up the differences or carry on regardless ?

Football clubs in general rely on blind loyalty but there comes a point, particularly when there are alternatives and priorities change, that people move on. To me, and as others have said, SUFC have seen the fan base slowly slip away since relegation and don't appear to be doing anything about it. There will be plenty of fans wavering this summer and what is being done ?

In a nutshell there Fleets.
Told us True Blades will buy season tickets and that's about it, apart from putting match day prices up.
 
Tough to reply meaningfully to someone as confused as you at present. Maybe you can clarify what on earth you are on about.

I'm not confused Mic. But I think you are and basically I think you're being hypocritical.

I'm sure your intentions are good Mic, but from all that you've said this season (and last) about how strongly you're opposed to McCabe, Birch, Batho, Adams and anyone else associated with the running of the club or in he spotlight, I expected you to stick with your principles and rather than put your money into the club, you'd protest by not renewing.

Despite the banter and our often hard lined stances at either end of the spectrum, I do think that you have a lot of good points (albeit sometimes quite extreme) to highlight the way that our club is run, I take a lot with a pinch of salt, but I can often see what you're getting at. But obviously the way you post on here is not reflected in your actual support of the club.

Don't get me wrong I think its great that you're continuing to put your money into the club and I hope that the club recognises this and starts defining its strategy for next season (something I also wanted to see more of at the start the season and something I think we did to an extent), but i'm just surprised and a little disappointed that a man of principle isn't prepared to stick to his guns.

Perhaps I'll read your posts from a different perspective from now on - basically a ranter that means no harm and will not give up his Saturday entertainment for his principles.

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In a nutshell there Fleets.
Told us True Blades will buy season tickets and that's about it, apart from putting match day prices up.

Nice work lenners. Ignore the facts about Season Tickets, pick on the match day prices.
 
Top post Swiss! :)

I hope you do realise though that as you have formed a perfectly valid and concise argument, you are very unlikely to get a reply.
 
I'm not confused Mic. But I think you are and basically I think you're being hypocritical.

I'm sure your intentions are good Mic, but from all that you've said this season (and last) about how strongly you're opposed to McCabe, Birch, Batho, Adams and anyone else associated with the running of the club or in he spotlight, I expected you to stick with your principles and rather than put your money into the club, you'd protest by not renewing.

Despite the banter and our often hard lined stances at either end of the spectrum, I do think that you have a lot of good points (albeit sometimes quite extreme) to highlight the way that our club is run, I take a lot with a pinch of salt, but I can often see what you're getting at. But obviously the way you post on here is not reflected in your actual support of the club.

Don't get me wrong I think its great that you're continuing to put your money into the club and I hope that the club recognises this and starts defining its strategy for next season (something I also wanted to see more of at the start the season and something I think we did to an extent), but i'm just surprised and a little disappointed that a man of principle isn't prepared to stick to his guns.

Perhaps I'll read your posts from a different perspective from now on - basically a ranter that means no harm and will not give up his Saturday entertainment for his principles.

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Nice work lenners. Ignore the facts about Season Tickets, pick on the match day prices.

What do you mean intentions? Intentions to discredit McCabe and Birch? Don't take things so seriously. They have discredited themselves perfectly well. I've got principles in terms of who I vote for etc but football is very different and I'm sure you know that.

You've known for as long as I've posted/ranted on here that I go to the matches - I aint stoppin because of some awful, cash obsessed property speculator and have never suggested otherwise as far as I know. What pains me about renewing is the thought of Birch sat there watching the renewals come in thinking things are reasonably OK, that's my wage covered, let's get some loans in etc etc. That's what I meant about a renewal being a form of acceptance of the way things are being handled at the top but obviously there is nowt anyone can do about if they still want to go, as I do. Write a letter to Birch etc etc, not for me. And don't say bring a big banner - I cannot be bothered and don't want to.

I detest what McCabe has done to SUFC and feel sick when I see or hear Trevor Birch. I'll still be ridiculing Monty, Collins and Doyle as they humiliate the club in the 3rd tier. But, I will almost certainly be acquiring another season ticket because I can just about detach the horror of paying £409 to a McCabe owned company from the enjoyment I get from stepping out of the door to go to the boozer and BDTBL on a Saturday afternoon.

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Top post Swiss! :)

I hope you do realise though that as you have formed a perfectly valid and concise argument, you are very unlikely to get a reply.


Leave it out Steel. You've already resorted to selective copying and pasting today without daft commenst like I don't reply to sensible posts.
 
Leave it out Steel. You've already resorted to selective copying and pasting today without daft commenst like I don't reply to sensible posts.

Selective? Yes, taken out of context? No.

If it had been a case of the latter I could understand your gripe with that but I merely asked why you keep on about McCabe and Birch when you intend to renew anyway? I get the social aspect of it (i.e. going to the boozer, down to the match etc.) but if thats the most important thing surely everything you've ever said about the club hierarchy is irrelevant and unimportant. I always assumed the product was what mattered to you but clearly as you so often claim of those that dont agree with you.....I'm confused.
 
You can move seats but only after the deadline for renewing seats but not the deadline for the discount. I think so anyway so it'll be June I think before you can move

Really? That's a bit crap.

So I can't even renew before the price goes up and move to a seat that isn't currently a season ticket seat elsewhere on the South Stand?
 

Selective? Yes, taken out of context? No.

If it had been a case of the latter I could understand your gripe with that but I merely asked why you keep on about McCabe and Birch when you intend to renew anyway? I get the social aspect of it (i.e. going to the boozer, down to the match etc.) but if thats the most important thing surely everything you've ever said about the club hierarchy is irrelevant and unimportant. I always assumed the product was what mattered to you but clearly as you so often claim of those that dont agree with you.....I'm confused.

For crying out loud Steel. I'm a loyal Blade of many years and love talking and thinking about SUFC and football in general. I've never viewed SUFC as a product, it's about a collection of memories and emotions. If it was a product I would definitely not be buying a season ticket.

Obviously, I'm disgusted with McCabe and Birch's running of the club and enjoy saying so on here. You are spot on that what I say is unimportant and irrelevant though. Mind you, if what I say has prompted one person to think McCabe has ruined the club then I'll be chuffed but I really needn't have bothered because the facts speak for themselves now.
 
Really? That's a bit crap.

So I can't even renew before the price goes up and move to a seat that isn't currently a season ticket seat elsewhere on the South Stand?

I'm sure if you ask at the time of your renewal whether you could switch seats to an unallocated one that your request would be granted especially if you said that you weren't going to renew if you can't swap seats.
 
Really? That's a bit crap.

So I can't even renew before the price goes up and move to a seat that isn't currently a season ticket seat elsewhere on the South Stand?

I'm sure you can renew your current ticket at the discount price and then move it after all the renewals are done.
 
What do you mean intentions? Intentions to discredit McCabe and Birch? Don't take things so seriously. They have discredited themselves perfectly well. I've got principles in terms of who I vote for etc but football is very different and I'm sure you know that.

You've known for as long as I've posted/ranted on here that I go to the matches - I aint stoppin because of some awful, cash obsessed property speculator and have never suggested otherwise as far as I know. What pains me about renewing is the thought of Birch sat there watching the renewals come in thinking things are reasonably OK, that's my wage covered, let's get some loans in etc etc. That's what I meant about a renewal being a form of acceptance of the way things are being handled at the top but obviously there is nowt anyone can do about if they still want to go, as I do. Write a letter to Birch etc etc, not for me. And don't say bring a big banner - I cannot be bothered and don't want to.

I detest what McCabe has done to SUFC and feel sick when I see or hear Trevor Birch. I'll still be ridiculing Monty, Collins and Doyle as they humiliate the club in the 3rd tier. But, I will almost certainly be acquiring another season ticket because I can just about detach the horror of paying £409 to a McCabe owned company from the enjoyment I get from stepping out of the door to go to the boozer and BDTBL on a Saturday afternoon.

Intentions - I mean your intentions to raise the issues that you see (sometimes with verifiable evidence other times based upon assumptions, which have been proved right and wrong).

Perhaps you're right, I shouldn't take things too seriously (as you have mentioned to me before), but when someone say the same thing time and time again you start to believe that its what they think.

Whilst I don't know you personally, I know you go to the matches and I know that you are also entirely pissed off with things at the club (as am I, I just don't make my posts reflect this) but I did expect you to stop going because of your views. Seriously. I'd built up this opinion that you are principled and you want the club to be run properly, If there'd been a poll on here asking who we thought wouldn't renew your name would be up near the top. Even though you like a wind up, I've taken your posts seriously (take that as a compliment).

Like I say I find it hypocritical that you believe so passionately that our club is being destroyed from the inside that you're still prepared to show your support of the regime and especially as its in the only way that we know works - through the balance sheets. Perhaps you'd stop using a local Indian takeaway if they stopped giving free poppadoms or the madras was made with processed chicken, but you're not prepared to do the same with football. Of course we all know that Football fans are more loyal and forgiving.

There is no doubt that if the renewals are comparable with last year that Birch, Steer and Batho will think that things are reasonably OK and perhaps will be justified in thinking that they are running the club in the correct way. They may also think, that the passionately opposed forum members (such as yourself), callers to Football Heaven and the fans who make their point of being less than supportive at games are all talk and when it comes to the crunch, will pay up for a ST.

I agree that the match day experience is worth the ST renewal, but unlike yourself I would not renew if I connected things like "detest" "feel sick", "the horror of paying £409 to a McCabe owned company" to my club or statements like "ridiculing" and "humiliate the club" when I talk about the players that will no doubt represent us next season. Unless of course I wanted to be dramatic. Like I said, I'll read your posts from an entirely different perspective now.

You bang the drum to the same tune, you just won't join the band... fair enough.
 
Intentions - I mean your intentions to raise the issues that you see (sometimes with verifiable evidence other times based upon assumptions, which have been proved right and wrong).

Perhaps you're right, I shouldn't take things too seriously (as you have mentioned to me before), but when someone say the same thing time and time again you start to believe that its what they think.

Whilst I don't know you personally, I know you go to the matches and I know that you are also entirely pissed off with things at the club (as am I, I just don't make my posts reflect this) but I did expect you to stop going because of your views. Seriously. I'd built up this opinion that you are principled and you want the club to be run properly, If there'd been a poll on here asking who we thought wouldn't renew your name would be up near the top. Even though you like a wind up, I've taken your posts seriously (take that as a compliment).

Like I say I find it hypocritical that you believe so passionately that our club is being destroyed from the inside that you're still prepared to show your support of the regime and especially as its in the only way that we know works - through the balance sheets. Perhaps you'd stop using a local Indian takeaway if they stopped giving free poppadoms or the madras was made with processed chicken, but you're not prepared to do the same with football. Of course we all know that Football fans are more loyal and forgiving.

There is no doubt that if the renewals are comparable with last year that Birch, Steer and Batho will think that things are reasonably OK and perhaps will be justified in thinking that they are running the club in the correct way. They may also think, that the passionately opposed forum members (such as yourself), callers to Football Heaven and the fans who make their point of being less than supportive at games are all talk and when it comes to the crunch, will pay up for a ST.

I agree that the match day experience is worth the ST renewal, but unlike yourself I would not renew if I connected things like "detest" "feel sick", "the horror of paying £409 to a McCabe owned company" to my club or statements like "ridiculing" and "humiliate the club" when I talk about the players that will no doubt represent us next season. Unless of course I wanted to be dramatic. Like I said, I'll read your posts from an entirely different perspective now.

You bang the drum to the same tune, you just won't join the band... fair enough.

Just shows how wrong you can be Swiss when making weird generalisations. I have said many times that I don't expect McCabe or anybody to pump family cash in to a black hole, I would be more than happy with clear statements saying expenditure will never exceed income for as long as I own the shares etc etc. I don't expect winning football and I know it aint as easy as sacking Adams and getting SOD in - although I believe it would help massively.

How an intelligent bloke like yer sen can think that me letting off some steam on a forum (albeit I do very much mean what I say about my disgust of McCabe/property losses and Birch's role in the last year or so) should lead to a situation where I have to stay at home with the wife on a Saturday afternoon in order to stick to some principle is beyond all rational comprehension. If it's any help though Swiss I sit at games laughing at the ineptitude as opposed to being desperate for us to win - that is what McCabe/Birch have done to me.

I just find this whole angle of 'attack' from you ludicrous to be honest.
 
Just shows how wrong you can be Swiss when making weird generalisations. I have said many times that I don't expect McCabe or anybody to pump family cash in to a black hole, I would be more than happy with clear statements saying expenditure will never exceed income for as long as I own the shares etc etc. I don't expect winning football and I know it aint as easy as sacking Adams and getting SOD in - although I believe it would help massively.

How an intelligent bloke like yer sen can think that me letting off some steam on a forum (albeit I do very much mean what I say about my disgust of McCabe/property losses and Birch's role in the last year or so) should lead to a situation where I have to stay at home with the wife on a Saturday afternoon in order to stick to some principle is beyond all rational comprehension. If it's any help though Swiss I sit at games laughing at the ineptitude as opposed to being desperate for us to win - that is what McCabe/Birch have done to me.

I just find this whole angle of 'attack' from you ludicrous to be honest.


Sorry that you think that this is an 'attack' on you, but you left yourself wide open for it based upon your posts this season. You're one of the most disgruntled posters on here and like Lenners have wagged the finger of disgust far too many times to be seen in any other way. I'm not saying you're wrong to have your opinion of McCabe/ Birch/ Batho and i'm not also saying that you shouldn't renew. I'm just extremely surprised that you've chosen to and lets be fair, when you set your stall so vehemently then you have to expect someone like myself to snaffle up the opportunity to have a pop. Are you telling me that you wouldn't do the same to me? (I have recollections that you have done a few times).

You know that you've sold your soul to the devil and you're getting a kicking for it. No amount of snipes, gibes and sniggering atthe regime that you despise during game will change that. You've handed over £409 of your hard earned cash (probably whilst fending off the wife's holiday plans - "no love, skeggy's good enough for us this year" ) to the antichrist (as you see it) and all you'll get in return is the same old same old. :)

If it sounds like i'm gloating, its because I am!
 
For crying out loud Steel. I'm a loyal Blade of many years and love talking and thinking about SUFC and football in general. I've never viewed SUFC as a product, it's about a collection of memories and emotions. If it was a product I would definitely not be buying a season ticket.

Obviously, I'm disgusted with McCabe and Birch's running of the club and enjoy saying so on here. You are spot on that what I say is unimportant and irrelevant though. Mind you, if what I say has prompted one person to think McCabe has ruined the club then I'll be chuffed but I really needn't have bothered because the facts speak for themselves now.

I dont doubt you have been a Blade for a long time, I might even guess longer than myself. What I'm getting at (and it is not to pick at you please be assured) is that the social aspects and just generally everything about being a Blade are more important to you than what is being offered on the pitch. You've made that perfectly clear in this thread and I think that's good enough justification for anyone to want to renew - I've no problem with that and its your prerogative anyway.

The bit I have struggled to understand is why your obvious contempt for McCabe and Birch (which dominates almost every post you make on here) is now in no way a factor in your decision to buy a ST. Its not what you say thats unimportant (as I said you make some valid points) its that you've made it now seem unimportant because you're prepared to look beyond it as if its a side issue.

At the end of the day mic, no matter what traditions we hold dear (i.e. going to the boozer, enjoying afternoons on the kop etc.) the club is selling a product, pure and simple. They are charging you a lot of money to watch games of football, which at the moment are of a poor standard. If you're buying a ST you're buying into the product and the way it is managed. You're not buying into the supporters culture and days out. You can have that without buying a ST.

Do you understand where I'm coming from? I'm just trying to understand you better because you normally take such a hardline stance. Am I to understand that your heart rules your head when it comes to the Blades?
 
I spoke to the ticket orifice today and they said renewals have picked up in the last week or so. No figures given but they did make a point of reiterating that the deadline definately will not be extended.
 
I spoke to the ticket orifice today and they said renewals have picked up in the last week or so. No figures given but they did make a point of reiterating that the deadline definately will not be extended.

Gotta love the reaching out to the masses approach to selling season tickets.
Bless 'em. Suppose it could be they know they're going to sell sod all and just don't give a shit anymore.
Perfect kind of mutual relationship developing between the club and its fans, both dislike the other.
 
I dont often comment on the views people spout on here about hoofball and remarlks like this

'Bless 'em. Suppose it could be they know they're going to sell sod all and just don't give a shit anymore.
Perfect kind of mutual relationship developing between the club and its fans, both dislike the other'.

But I'm genuinely puzzled why someone would want to simply to spend time moaning and complaining all the time about something they could simply leave behind for those of us left to enjoy as best we can. Why constantly complain about something you are in some way emotionally attached to? I dont get it. Does it hurt when United win? Would you have bet a packet of woodbines on Hitler to win at Dunkirk because you didn't like Churchill's tactics? ?
 
I dont often comment on the views people spout on here about hoofball and remarlks like this

'Bless 'em. Suppose it could be they know they're going to sell sod all and just don't give a shit anymore.
Perfect kind of mutual relationship developing between the club and its fans, both dislike the other'.

But I'm genuinely puzzled why someone would want to simply to spend time moaning and complaining all the time about something they could simply leave behind for those of us left to enjoy as best we can. Why constantly complain about something you are in some way emotionally attached to? I dont get it. Does it hurt when United win? Would you have bet a packet of woodbines on Hitler to win at Dunkirk because you didn't like Churchill's tactics? ?

Hmmm, enjoyed last night's game, impressed with Pembo, impressed with some of the players, enjoyed being able to relate to the players on the pitch.
But don't enjoy my club being royally done over by the half wits running it.
Pretty straightforward to me.
 
Gotta love the reaching out to the masses approach to selling season tickets.
Bless 'em. Suppose it could be they know they're going to sell sod all and just don't give a shit anymore.
Perfect kind of mutual relationship developing between the club and its fans, both dislike the other.

Alternatively, they could know more about the usual trends of Season Ticket sales and perhaps they're not seeing the drop you predicted or expected. Like yourself I am merely speculating.

You only have to look at disgruntled fans like Mic to see that you can't use their/ your postings on here forum as a barometer because even Mic has renewed! I presume that you'll follow

If you're struggling to get the cash by the deadline Lenners, then i'm sure we can help. I know you'll be busy rounding up the cash to raise your 500k to lend the club within a year.
 
Unlikely I'll be getting one Swiss. Pretty much all the full payers in our group of what was 7 will have gone by next year.
Like thousands of others, we'll wait to see how much the club wants us back either next year or in years to come.
 
Unlikely I'll be getting one Swiss. Pretty much all the full payers in our group of what was 7 will have gone by next year.
Like thousands of others, we'll wait to see how much the club wants us back either next year or in years to come.

Sorry to hear that Lenners, but based upon your point of view I can understand it.

Not sure about the "thousands of others" comment though as we've no way of knowing how many aren't renewing and their reasons.

Most of your incentives revolved around cost, which has little bearing on the football being played or the way the club is run.

Just to clarify, does "we'll wait to see how much the club wants us back" mean how cheap they can go with the ST
 

Sorry to hear that Lenners, but based upon your point of view I can understand it.

Not sure about the "thousands of others" comment though as we've no way of knowing how many aren't renewing and their reasons.

Most of your incentives revolved around cost, which has little bearing on the football being played or the way the club is run.

Just to clarify, does "we'll wait to see how much the club wants us back" mean how cheap they can go with the ST

Not really cost to be honest - more straightforward group apathy, disinclination to watch players I don't care about for another season and not wanting to endure a season when the other lot are likely to lord it.
Good luck to all those who do but I expect to be joining the ranks of those who've had their faith in their club broken.
You might disbelieve the increasing evidence of vast amounts of empty seats at the Lane but I suspect you'll realise how many feel the same way next season.
If the club wants us back, this time they'll have to make some ferkin' effort.
If they increase prices and have no ticket offers next season I doubt I'll go that much. If they make a real effort and look like promotion they might reel me in for a half season ticket.
Up to them.
 

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