Scary that Tom Cannon....

[gordoncharles]

I can’t think of any team in history that have sacked their manager in the summer after being promoted from the championship.

It used to happen reasonably regularly in Spain, though not so much these days, although my own Spanish club did exactly that in 2020 - in that case the manager was out of contract but they didn't even seriously consider renewing it.

That's because it was thought there were some managers that are suited to certain levels and there is definite truth in that. Warnock and McCarthy were managers who, in their day, were good at getting promoted, but terrible in the Premier League.

And I don't see why the manager should be immune. Managers show little loyalty to players who earn promotion if they're not considered good enough. I don't see why the same rules shouldn't apply to them.

Which, eventually, brings me back to the subject at hand. Not only does Cannon appear underwhelming so far, he is easily outrun by Championship defenders. In the event we go up he'll have to be sold if that's even possible or it will be a waste of a squad position as we would need speed up front. On the basis of what we've seen so far Campbell looks three times the player.

 

[FriethBlade]

Agree, think he'll come good.......given time

He might but we needed somebody to contribute immediately and help get us up. We could have bought him in the summer after assessing him closely in tje second half of this season. Maybe the fact he'd scored 9 for Stoke made us believe he was the man.

However the new owners will be looking at the money we spent on him and thinking 2 things, firstly whats our recruitment process look like and secondly do we trust this recruitment team to spend big money in the summer

 

[Shawy24]

Might not even score a goal on that Oxford showing.

Waint if Cannon is on’t pitch.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

It used to happen reasonably regularly in Spain, though not so much these days, although my own Spanish club did exactly that in 2020 - in that case the manager was out of contract but they didn't even seriously consider renewing it.

That's because it was thought there were some managers that are suited to certain levels and there is definite truth in that. Warnock and McCarthy were managers who, in their day, were good at getting promoted, but terrible in the Premier League.

And I don't see why the manager should be immune. Managers show little loyalty to players who earn promotion if they're not considered good enough. I don't see why the same rules shouldn't apply to them.

Which, eventually, brings me back to the subject at hand. Not only does Cannon appear underwhelming so far, he is easily outrun by Championship defenders. In the event we go up he'll have to be sold if that's even possible or it will be a waste of a squad position as we would need speed up front. On the basis of what we've seen so far Campbell looks three times the player.

I’m not defending his decision for signing Cannon. To be honest right now you can’t, but at the same time we dont spend time lauding him over the Cooper, Burrows, Campbell signings either.

I don’t think Wilder is the messiah, but I don’t think we have the scouting & recruitment infrastructure right now to make a massive change.

People want these young or foreign managers but does that guarantee you success? I look at half the championship at the moment who have gone down this route and were above all of them. I also look at Leicester & Southampton who have too.

Unless the club is structurally ready for that to happen then it could get a lot worse adopting that approach.

 

[haich1889]

He will not pass to players in a better position & elects to shoot (badly) himself. This is not the way to gain fans respect. Every player has a lean spell but they don't all become obsessed and greedy to the team's detriment. I could not believe Wilder's decision to finish the game with 2 out of form forwards that never looked capable of scoring. Vinnie is not a player that wins games, Peck who carved out 4 chances for himself should have stayed on as well as Campbell and Brewster.

 

[The Fox]

Bit early to write off the lad but not a great start to his Blades career .
We're not a team that creates load of chances so it's hard to shine up top , but of course he'll be disappointed.
Can't blame him , didn't bring himself to the club or pick himself for the team so hope we don't take it out on him personally.
Keep backing the lad when his on the pitch and hope his confidence grows , might put a yard of pace on him too .

 

[gordoncharles]

I’m not defending his decision for signing Cannon. To be honest right now you can’t, but at the same time we dont spend time lauding him over the Cooper, Burrows, Campbell signings either.

I don’t think Wilder is the messiah, but I don’t think we have the scouting & recruitment infrastructure right now to make a massive change.

People want these young or foreign managers but does that guarantee you success? I look at half the championship at the moment who have gone down this route and were above all of them. I also look at Leicester & Southampton who have too.

Unless the club is structurally ready for that to happen then it could get a lot worse adopting that approach.

I think whether you believe Wilder is up to managing again in the PL goes beyond a decision to stake a lot of money (for us) on Tom Cannon, but it looks foolish - at the moment, and he does have poor form in that regard. At least our other signings from promoted clubs currently stinking out the PL are on loan so in the event of promotion we're not committed to them. Which, considering they're not even thought good enough for Southampton, Leicester and Ipswich, is a relief.

No manager guarantees success,though I'm not sure which managers you're referring to in particular? But if we go up we need a good coach. Most of those are foreign.

More importantly, we don't seem to have any obvious way of identifying players who would make a difference to us, though, and that will always be a problem until we have someone in place who's got experience at that.

 

[Carlton Blade]

He's Scott Hogan. No real outstanding athletic traits, not much involvement in open play, not a fan of chasing down defenders. Makes decent runs off the ball, strikes it well with both feet.

For a player with lots and lots of Championship experience, who's played all season prior to signing in the exact role he is being played in now to cost a genuinely huge Championship fee and not be able to make an impact on games is a very worrying sign.

£10m in the January of a promotion race making zero impact on the games is a disaster if we fail to get promoted.

 

[bakeblade]

He will not pass to players in a better position & elects to shoot (badly) himself. This is not the way to gain fans respect. Every player has a lean spell but they don't all become obsessed and greedy to the team's detriment. I could not believe Wilder's decision to finish the game with 2 out of form forwards that never looked capable of scoring. Vinnie is not a player that wins games, Peck who carved out 4 chances for himself should have stayed on as well as Campbell and Brewster.

I thought all the subs made sense

 

[haich1889]

Whilst on the not scoring topic: by my count it's now about 534 Jacky 'long throws' since we scored from one. No plan b as with many other aspects of our game.
Mentioned earlier: there was no need to replace Campbell/Brewster with 2 out of form players who haven't scored this year. Love Vinnie but he's not a match winner, O'hare or Davis would have been better choice. Putting Raksaki onis a gamble as wingers are either on or off. Putting Alfie on & Seriki further forward would have been my choice.
Peck made himself 4 or 5 chances & looked as likely to score as anyone, why take him off???

 

[haich1889]

I thought all the subs made sense

No idea how to answer that as the finishing team never looked like scoring.

 

[Danetheblade]

Do the other three he scored against Portsmouth that weren't penalties not count as being from open play?

They do.. “four in one game”

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

Whilst on the not scoring topic: by my count it's now about 534 Jacky 'long throws' since we scored from one. No plan b as with many other aspects of our game.
Mentioned earlier: there was no need to replace Campbell/Brewster with 2 out of form players who haven't scored this year. Love Vinnie but he's not a match winner, O'hare or Davis would have been better choice. Putting Raksaki onis a gamble as wingers are either on or off. Putting Alfie on & Seriki further forward would have been my choice.
Peck made himself 4 or 5 chances & looked as likely to score as anyone, why take him off???

I think that's more because of our lack of skill in the air than down to the quality of JLTs throws.

 

[Lane Ender]

At least Guthrie won headers. And scored a few goals.

Yes he did but he was a poor replacement

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

You’d think the quality of a 10 million signing could nick a goal but in them 22 mins he did nothing.

Aye
Begs the question could else on the park “ nick a goal”
Or
create a goal(scoring chance)
Or
prevent a goal

 

[andy m]

Whilst on the not scoring topic: by my count it's now about 534 Jacky 'long throws' since we scored from one. No plan b as with many other aspects of our game.
Mentioned earlier: there was no need to replace Campbell/Brewster with 2 out of form players who haven't scored this year. Love Vinnie but he's not a match winner, O'hare or Davis would have been better choice. Putting Raksaki onis a gamble as wingers are either on or off. Putting Alfie on & Seriki further forward would have been my choice.
Peck made himself 4 or 5 chances & looked as likely to score as anyone, why take him off???

Not sure putting a goalkeeper on in midfield would have helped us yesterday.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Oooo fond memories of watching Chris Guthrie score a hat trick away at Halifax.
Loads of Blades fans stood on what looked like a slag heap.

Aye
All with his head (?) in a 4-2 League Cup win.
Also vividly recall his debut (same day as opening of what will always be ‘the new stand’ ) : 1-1 v Derby (previous season’s Champions) - ran Roy McFarland (the then England C/H) ragged
The pinnacle of his career (not withstanding the ‘triple’ agin 4th division opposition

 

[sheepbridge]

The past few games he's been sub, and hasn't had much of an impact, but in every one of those games where he has come on as sub, we have failed to score after he came on field.
The stats are:

Match	Minute On	Goals scored by Us	Goals scored by Opp	Points dropped
Oxford (A)	76	0	0	0
Coventry (H)	70	0	1	0
Wednesday (A)	76	0	0	0
Preston (H)	64	0	0	0
QPR (A)	73	0	0	0
Leeds (H)	59	0	3	3

So in about 120 minutes on Cannon being on the pitch (and that excludes added-on injury time) we have failed to scrore a single goal, and have conceeded 4.
I do think we're easier to play against with Cannon on the pitch without the pace of Campbell especially so the opposition can push up a bit and less of a goal threat.

my biggest doubt about signing him is that Leicester are desperate for goals in the Premier League and will be in the Championship next year and yet are willing to let him go out on loan and then sell him. I suspect they thought £10m was an extremely generous price for the player.

 

[b1ade4life]

He'll bag the winner at Turf Moor.

More chance of me motor boating Kelly brooks tits in the oval room at the white house

 

[Silky Sabella]

He won't score this season.

Needs a pre season

You think that is acceptable?

 

[bakeblade]

No idea how to answer that as the finishing team never looked like scoring.

Well I'll try then...
BBD and Choudhury were both having stinkers, so Vini and JRS was obvious - should have been sooner actually
Campbell cannot last more than 70 mins, so rather than risk losing him for the rest of the season, he had to be subbed. Moore was a better option than Cannon
Brewster deserved to come off for O'Hare again should have been sooner
Cannon was just to get another body up front, unfortunately he's crap but still worth trying although I'd have taken Robbo off rather than Peck

 

[Not so Slim ane]

More chance of me motor boating Kelly brooks tits in the oval room at the white house

About evens then ...

 

[brownblade]

Is there a text message alert that gets sent out to all the Blades-hating Blades fans, when threads like this start?

 

[Tom Bott]

He's scored 9 goals in the Championship this season.

That's more than every other player in our team apart from Campbell.

Facts have no place, where internet opinions are concerned.

Anyone remember the beginning of the season when we were crying out for a striker, Moore was booked in for surgery, Campbell's availability was patchy, Brewster's strike rate was low.

So CW bought one.

The bonus being that some can blame both Wilder and Cannon, it's like a Brucie bonus for the perpetual knockers of the club.

#needmorescapegoats.

 

[derfblade.3]

Why all the fuss? 10 mill in football is peanuts. FFS, at least give the lad a chance. Clubs fighting to sign him means they know a lot more than we do.
Makes us look small time moaning about a massive 10 mill.

 

[Blade56]

The past few games he's been sub, and hasn't had much of an impact, but in every one of those games where he has come on as sub, we have failed to score after he came on field.
The stats are:

Match	Minute On	Goals scored by Us	Goals scored by Opp	Points dropped
Oxford (A)	76	0	0	0
Coventry (H)	70	0	1	0
Wednesday (A)	76	0	0	0
Preston (H)	64	0	0	0
QPR (A)	73	0	0	0
Leeds (H)	59	0	3	3

So in about 120 minutes on Cannon being on the pitch (and that excludes added-on injury time) we have failed to scrore a single goal, and have conceeded 4.
I do think we're easier to play against with Cannon on the pitch without the pace of Campbell especially so the opposition can push up a bit and less of a goal threat.

my biggest doubt about signing him is that Leicester are desperate for goals in the Premier League and will be in the Championship next year and yet are willing to let him go out on loan and then sell him. I suspect they thought £10m was an extremely generous price for the player.

How come he’s got an assist and an assisted an assist?

 

[brownblade]

Why all the fuss? 10 mill in football is peanuts. FFS, at least give the lad a chance. Clubs fighting to sign him means they know a lot more than we do.
Makes us look small time moaning about a massive 10 mill.

Not to mention he's on a decent length contract. So the £7-10m (broadly generalised as £10m, even though that probably includes add-ons) is spread over the contract. From an accounting sense at least. £1.5m per year for a natural finisher isn't that pricey.

Haven't we all had this conversation a hundred times already?

 

[raul]

Not to mention he's on a decent length contract. So the £7-10m (broadly generalised as £10m, even though that probably includes add-ons) is spread over the contract. From an accounting sense at least. £1.5m per year for a natural finisher isn't that pricey.

Haven't we all had this conversation a hundred times already?

Glory glory to our ledgers....

 

[metalblade]

I can't see one good attribute in him, sorry to say it but he's wank.

 

[AWetFlannel]

It's hilarious that undercover pigs can start a toxic thread and fill it with shit, some of our fans fall for it and respond as though they're responding to normal Blades, but even more join in with the WUMs.