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Jim Chimmerney said:
Chill out Len, get the beers in, enjoy the world cup and worry about SUFC when we actually have some facts to deal with :beer:
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The facts are more players are going - hence the inability to sign the freebie from Barnsley until they do.
The really annoying thing is the sheer short-sightedness of it all.
This league will be ultra shit next season, any number of average sides will be in with a chance and yet we won't even manage to put one of those together.
I am looking forward to the World Cup though. Would love to see a manic, mad Maradona win it.
 

Anyone else think that any fees coming in wont be to build a little war chest for any potential buys, but instead go to the wage budget?

The wage budget that will be £5-6m, which will be made up from £3m in ticket sales and the balance from player sales.
 
I'm glad to see some people aren't getting unnecessarily despondent - which seems to be a constantly occuring theme amongst our supporters!

I would be a bit disappointed if we sold Paddy as well but I honestly dont think he'll go. It wouldnt surprise me all that much if he did but if I were a betting man I would say he's staying. There are a number of reasons why I think he'll stay but some people on here have already touched on them.

At the end of the day so what if he does go. Players come and go all the time. He wouldnt be the first decent player we have sold and he certainly wont be the last. It is a symptom of a) not being a top flight club and b) the power of players and agents..........

This sort of thing will continue to happen every now and again until we achieve some real success but we cant do that without decent players. It is a vicious cycle but that is what you have with English football now. The system and finances are completely unfair to anyone outside the top flight - it has become elitist. Tough shit I'm afraid, because as supporters we all bought into it and this is the price we are paying.

I dont lose sleep about players coming and going anymore. Its just the way the modern game works. If you can keep a decent player for more than two seasons nowadays its a real achievement.
 
Blade58 said:
Anyone else think that any fees coming in wont be to build a little war chest for any potential buys, but instead go to the wage budget?

The wage budget that will be £5-6m, which will be made up from £3m in ticket sales and the balance from player sales.
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Ticket sales have accounted for around £6m in the last few seasons.
 
Foxy said:
Again, the key word is "if" and even if it does, if it's as simple as it's being made out. Why does it seem very likely?



Like I said earlier, they are talking with Paddy's agent (and others) about new contracts at the moment. Whatever happens, they clearly at least have or had intentions of him staying put.

As to any clauses/intentions, we'll soon find out.
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We will soon find out but I fail to see how agreeing to a £750k release clause for someobody who was still likely to be a top class CCC keeper when the ban ended does not strike me as being a serious intention of him staying put. (I know you didn't use the word serious).

As I said, I think the club look a bit stupid here purely because warnock has joined QPR with all their wedge so our current offer is likely to be blasted out of the water - even if we did have serious intentions. Unfortunately, I don't believe a word McCabe says anymore so I will always take the view that I am doing - namely no serious intention of Paddy staying if we could get money for him, ie offer him a £6k deal with a release clause that in all probability (for me) would be met when ban ended resulting in a nice little earner and a big wage off the books
 
Micalijo said:
We will soon find out but I fail to see how agreeing to a £750k release clause for someobody who was still likely to be a top class CCC keeper when the ban ended does not strike me as being a serious intention of him staying put. (I know you didn't use the word serious).

As I said, I think the club look a bit stupid here purely because warnock has joined QPR with all their wedge so our current offer is likely to be blasted out of the water - even if we did have serious intentions. Unfortunately, I don't believe a word McCabe says anymore so I will always take the view that I am doing - namely no serious intention of Paddy staying if we could get money for him, ie offer him a £6k deal with a release clause that in all probability (for me) would be met when ban ended resulting in a nice little earner and a big wage off the books
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Just two points from that though...

1 - We don't know they have agreed a release clause

and

2 - if they wanted to sell him, they wouldn't need a release clause to cash in, they would circulate his name and possibly price to other clubs anyway, opening up the potential for someone offering more than any clause.
 
Foxy said:
Just two points from that though...

1 - We don't know they have agreed a release clause

and

2 - if they wanted to sell him, they wouldn't need a release clause to cash in, they would circulate his name and possibly price to other clubs anyway, opening up the potential for someone offering more than any clause.
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But last summer, if the intention was to make money out of Paddy (as I believe is the case) we had to offer him a deal with a release clause in. Otherwise he would have said 'sack me and get nothing in summer 2010' wouldn't he?

If the intention was for him to stay, we should have insisted on no clause and said clearly in press what had happened and how outrageous it was that he wasn't signing without a cheap clause. Now that warnock is manager of QPR we have no chance (even if we are having pointless talks with his agent) and it has worked perfectly for Paddy - fair play to him - he owes us nowt imo, we stuck by him because we had a clause which I think would almost certainly be brought into play and we make a profit. If he was beyond hope as a keeper we would have sacked him.

Unfortunately, and of apparant no concern to McCabe, we will almost certainly have another joke keeper in net next term.
 
This is from the poster who is very well informed from another board. Posted a while back that it was looking likely he Paddy would be leaving to the disbelief and dismay of many posters:


"Did try to point this out sometime ago about the news thats breaking today, remember where you heard it first altough there were doubting thomas's ( would i post on here if it was'nt factual ? :-/ i think not) , even doubting thomas's supposingly ITK fowned upon this one, TUT TUT
£900k agreed , terms done, clauses done, fine tuning friday afternoon, then cheerio

By the way i do feel sorry for Blacky on this one, and some other rumours relating to this may decide Blackys next move

UTB & FTP"



I'd certainly like the bit about blackies next move clarified!
 
Just to add to that above, here's the latest from the same board. Make what you will of it, but it don't look good:



"Monty has turned down United's 3rd and final offer!!(United say final offer)

Billy in talks with Wolves wages sticking point WANTS to leave !!

Paddy flying back early off hols to have medical on Friday afternoon at QPR has been offered a longer contract and 3 times more wages a week than at Lane !! (Doesn't want to leave but 3 times more !!) What would you do !! no brainer really !!

Boggy not a Blackwell signing to do wi Malta deal signed by Chief Exec (same as Ashley Ward was not a Warnock signing)"


Oh dear!
 
A few years ago, Warnock was quoted as saying he'd "love to manage Wednesday, fuck them up and retire laughing all the way to Cornwall."

Given the shocking (in my eyes) way he was treated when he left here, might his plan have subtly altered?
 
Feck me! Came on for a bit of news and found a mighty shitstorm, based on not much hard evidence really, from what I can see.

Brother Blades. There will be in's, there will be outs, but you could at least wait and see where we are in five weeks time before releasing this tidal wave of rhetoric...
 
DuncDisorderly said:
Feck me! Came on for a bit of news and found a mighty shitstorm, based on not much hard evidence really, from what I can see.

Brother Blades. There will be in's, there will be outs, but you could at least wait and see where we are in five weeks time before releasing this tidal wave of rhetoric...
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What happens if you enjoy speculating about the ins and outs at your club? This is a forum. You really do have trouble with this concept don't you. There is no hard evidence but so what? So what if the club is criticised, or Kenny is criticised, as long as it is sensible which this thread is compared to a small few?

In your world, there is I assume no point discussing anything until it has actually happened? When is it acceptable to use this forum please? Is there any point discussing what the team is likely to be before a given game?
 
Micalijo said:
What happens if you enjoy speculating about the ins and outs at your club? This is a forum. You really do have trouble with this concept don't you. There is no hard evidence but so what? So what if the club is criticised, or Kenny is criticised, as long as it is sensible which this thread is compared to a small few?

In your world, there is I assume no point discussing anything until it has actually happened? When is it acceptable to use this forum please? Is there any point discussing what the team is likely to be before a given game?
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I agree with you in part here. Every one on the forum is entitled to discuss things (i.e. rumours etc). That is part of what this forum is for. I think what Dunc is getting at though, is that a lot of supporters want to hold parties responsible and spit poison at them before a transfer has even taken place. I agree with him in the sense that it is a little premature to fly off the handle when Paddy hasnt gone anywhere (yet).

Criticism of people at the club is fine as long as it is reasoned. People pay their money and are entitled to their say. Discussing the possiblity that he might go and potential outcomes are both fine yes but crucifying the chairman or the player or anyone else is completely futile until it has actually happened. I think that's what Dunc is getting at. Not that I need to back the guy up but I can understand where he's coming from.....along the lines of take a chill pill, wait and see.....
 

Just been on SSN that according to 'Sky Sources' there has been no approach from QPR for Kenny
 
Clearly the club has no ambition, the ambition went the day the we sold Beattie when in all likelyhood keeping him just to the end of the season would have got us promoted. Instead we ended up with Craig Beattie in the final instead of James and we all know how that ended up.

I have got nothing against the club trying to balance the books. I just dont like spin and BS and thats all we seem to get these days.

If the club said, we are not expecting promotion next season, we are just looking to play some nice attractive football, with a squad of young talented hungry players than fair game, i would rather that than the board feeding us BS about how we are competitive and will be challenging for promotion and then filling the team full of has been loan signings.
 
LouTheBlade said:
I think what Dunc is getting at though, is that a lot of supporters want to hold parties responsible and spit poison at them before a transfer has even taken place. I agree with him in the sense that it is a little premature to fly off the handle when Paddy hasnt gone anywhere (yet).
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Thats exactly what I'm driving at. 100+ posts and about 20 are 'discussion' and the rest appear to be the normal suspects telling us how useless the chairman and manager of the club are, or what a crap season we are about to have based on something that hasn't yet happened and may not happen.

Fecks sake. I could understand the line 'the forum is for discussion' perhaps if there was actually a discussion about the news (its not news, just speculation, anyway), instead of using it as an excuse to dust off longstanding grievances and predjudices and post 20 replies saying the same thing, just so we can go round and round the loops yet again (ad nauseum).

Now where is that 'Ignore poster' thingy..?
 
Simonsen as a replacement if Paddy decides to go. I'd love him to stay but i've got a feeling he will go to QPR as will Monty.
Money talks i'm afraid and we all know that we will take whatever how big or small. It just seems to be the way it is regardless of who it is and how it may affect the team.
 
And don't forget we got him on the cheap cus Bury agreed to a 25% sell on clause
 
fingers crossed we keep Paddy, can't see us attracting/affording/shelling out on a keeper of the same caliber
 
DuncDisorderly said:
Thats exactly what I'm driving at. 100+ posts and about 20 are 'discussion' and the rest appear to be the normal suspects telling us how useless the chairman and manager of the club are, or what a crap season we are about to have based on something that hasn't yet happened and may not happen.

Fecks sake. I could understand the line 'the forum is for discussion' perhaps if there was actually a discussion about the news (its not news, just speculation, anyway), instead of using it as an excuse to dust off longstanding grievances and predjudices and post 20 replies saying the same thing, just so we can go round and round the loops yet again (ad nauseum).

Now where is that 'Ignore poster' thingy..?
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You are effectively saying the only threads should be about news that has happened rather than speculation - really can't believe it, following football is all about speculation for me. I trust in future you will only post on threads where news has happened, which will be a big relief if I'm honest, because I think you very rarely have anything to say other than offering bland commentary on what others have posted rather than an opinion.

Sorry Duncs but for me you are wrong on this one, wrong thread to start posting all your usual stuff about 'wait and see, grievances etc.' That is just as boring to me as my Blackwell Out stuff is to you. Sometimes you have a point obviously, but not on this one. There's been some decent stuff and it is impossible to talk about Kenny without discussing the club's tactics and how we've handled it and will handle it. I have said that the club have been bit unlucky on this one because Warnock and QPR have got together. Still don't believe we genuinely wanted to keep him because he's too expensive, too good for a club that is totally skint. It's been a sensible thread for most part and of course people's views on things in general will spill out but again, who cares?
 
And when we do tell you the news Dunc [like Blackwell is shit] you chose to pretend that it is an untruth.
 
Although I really do like Paddy and would like him to stay, I look at it like this...

Simonsen + £750k for Paddy

Does it really look that bad to you? You have to admit the money (if spent) would be better used on the defence or midfield
 
sheffielder said:
Although I really do like Paddy and would like him to stay, I look at it like this...

Simonsen + £750k for Paddy

Does it really look that bad to you? You have to admit the money (if spent) would be better used on the defence or midfield
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Simonsen would have to be a loan with Stoke paying a good chunk of his wages.
 

Although I really do like Paddy and would like him to stay, I look at it like this...

Simonsen + £750k for Paddy

Does it really look that bad to you?

No, but it looks completely unrealistic.

The chances of us signing a keeper who is better than Paddy on an actual contract, as opposed to a loan, are slim to none, as we won't pay good money for one. Hence we'll need to keep him.

Plus at this rate we'll be brim full of loans again and it strikes me wilfully put yourself in a situation of probably having to get one more by selling the only tried and tested keeper on your books.
 
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