Praise for McCabe, The Prince and SUFC

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You asked how many of our players returned with injuries after playing on rubbish pitches,I gave you an example of Lavery getting injured this afternoon after playing on a rubbish pitch,injured that means he is going for a scan on Monday.

I see the shorter sentences are creeping in,a sure sign you are getting angry,once again.

No, not at all. You can deflect this toward my addressing of your non-sequitur nonsense, but you are now becoming cornered again. Give me some proof that Lavery's injury wouldn't have happened on the Desso, please.

pommpey
 

Which, Bert, is part of 'Association Football'

Because of our successive inability to climb to the higher echelons, we can't expect to play on the vastly superior playing surfaces offered at Premier League grounds. If Chelsea played Oldham tomorrow, they'd have to adjust similarly, although I offer they wont be selling Willian for an undisclosed to fund other club attributes in the near future. We play a passing game not because of the Desso. We play a passing game because we have a midfield which is able to do that and we have a manger who clearly wants that, Desso or not.

pommpey

If you asked Chris Wilder about our pitch, which type he prefers, what do you think he will say?
 
I have explained it. The pitch doesn't guarantee will win games, but it does guarantee that we play the way we want to.
Look, I think the pitch is a good and sensible investment for many different reasons, and I bet Wilder agrees. You don't, fine your opinion. You can't 100% prove that it is a waste of money despite believing it is, just because McCabe did it and you know better than him.
I have to go out now so no more replies from me.

Oh, damn. Can't you reply on your phone? This is getting interesting Copes.

pommpey
 
If you asked Chris Wilder about our pitch, which type he prefers, what do you think he will say?

So, in that frame of thought, what do you think he thinks when he comes away from the County Ground or Gigg Lane with three points under his belt? Do you think he has a choice with that? Or does he just stratgise and create a team which will beat the opposition on their shit donkey field?

pommpey
 
No, not at all. You can deflect this toward my addressing of your non-sequitur nonsense, but you are now becoming cornered again. Give me some proof that Lavery's injury wouldn't have happened on the Desso, please.

pommpey

You didn't ask that question initially,if you had,I wouldn't have answered because I would have no proof,however the question you asked and to which I directly answered was,how many of our players return with injuries after playing on rubbish pitches,I answered Lavery got injured today after playing on a rubbish pitch,that is a fact,that even you cannot dispute,a fact backed up by our manager confirming Lavery is having a scan on Monday
 
You didn't ask that question initially,if you had,I wouldn't have answered because I would have no proof,however the question you asked and to which I directly answered was,how many of our players return with injuries after playing on rubbish pitches,I answered Lavery got injured today after playing on a rubbish pitch,that is a fact,that even you cannot dispute,a fact backed up by our manager confirming Lavery is having a scan on Monday

And ... I repeat ... was this attributable to the pitch, or a tackle, or his condition, fatigue ...

pommpey
 
*sigh*

Okay ... do you want me to re-post the stuff I did last night? The stuff which showed that last season, we were robbed of twenty-one points by being beaten on our beloved pitch? What part of 'it aint the pitch ... we've beaten clubs off the Desso this season' don't you actually see?

Let me just put to you that my hope that players such as Duffy being flogged hasn't actually materialized. Let me put to you that in Wilder, we have a manger who possibly won't stomach having his best players given away to pay wages and has recruited and crafted a better playing style ... on the Desso and away on cowfields ... and that might just be more of a contributory factor than the cocking semi plastic playing surface people like you worship.

I don't see us suffering much away from home this season. We have lost three away from Desso, against seven last season on it.

Do you need some sort of algebra to support that?

pommpey
Why do you keep bringing up the fact that last season the team played poorly and somehow linking it to the pitch?
No one has ever tried to say that a good pitch will make a poor team into a good one.
Only that a good team playing on a good pitch will find it easier to exhibit their skills.
Why do you find that so hard to accept?
Your comparisons are meaningless.
 
And ... I repeat ... was this attributable to the pitch, or a tackle, or his condition, fatigue ...

pommpey

You didn't originally ask that though did you?

Had you framed the question like that,I would not have replied because I was not in attendance,
 
Why do you keep bringing up the fact that last season the team played poorly and somehow linking it to the pitch?
No one has ever tried to say that a good pitch will make a poor team into a good one.
Only that a good team playing on a good pitch will find it easier to exhibit their skills.
Why do you find that so hard to accept?
Your comparisons are meaningless.
So do you think that with the old pitch and this seasons players we wouldn't get promoted?

The pitch is the factor that is going to get us promoted? If so, quite frankly that is a load of bollocks, imo of course.
 
So, in that frame of thought, what do you think he thinks when he comes away from the County Ground or Gigg Lane with three points under his belt? Do you think he has a choice with that? Or does he just stratgise and create a team which will beat the opposition on their shit donkey field?

pommpey

It was a simple question but obviously not simple enough for you. Let's try again. WHAT SORT OF PITCH DO YOU THINK WILDER PREFERS?
 
Why do you keep bringing up the fact that last season the team played poorly and somehow linking it to the pitch?
No one has ever tried to say that a good pitch will make a poor team into a good one.
Only that a good team playing on a good pitch will find it easier to exhibit their skills.
Why do you find that so hard to accept?
Your comparisons are meaningless.

Because people like you insist the pitch is in some way a fantastic investment and contributory to this season's excellent successes. If it were installed at the beginning of this season, that point is in many ways indisputable.

But you are conveniently ignoring that we have has the pitch for two years now, and last year, when we had a shit manager and shit players, we played shit. On the Desso. If that is a meaningless comparison, then you need help.

Why do YOU find it so hard to accept?

pommpey
 
It was a simple question but obviously not simple enough for you. Let's try again. WHAT SORT OF PITCH DO YOU THINK WILDER PREFERS?

I'd say he'd want the Desso.

Strangely enough, I'd say so would Wier, Wilson, Clough, et al.

No guarantee of success. Please answer my question now.

pommpey
 
we invested in a good pitch to provide the best possible surface to play the type of passing game that entertains supporters, now Adkins has been dumped
we could have kept it like the oldham pitch which provided a good old fashioned clogfest today

the choice is yours
 

You didn't originally ask that though did you?

Had you framed the question like that,I would not have replied because I was not in attendance,

Yeah, but you know he's is injured, yeah? So, given your global ITKism, you'll be able to tell me if it was attributable to the condition of the playing surface, yeah?

Otherwise, why are you here?

pommpey
 
Out of all the teams that have been promoted from league one, how many have had a Desso?

All of them, Barney. Even Burton.

Guarantee of passing football and success. Even away from home. As long as the players have the knowledge that back at home they have a Desso, they'll win away. Guaranteed.

This is amusing!

pommpey
 
So do you think that with the old pitch and this seasons players we wouldn't get promoted?

The pitch is the factor that is going to get us promoted? If so, quite frankly that is a load of bollocks, imo of course.
Maybe one of them but mainly down to Wilder/Knill and the players.
No one can say for definite :)
 
we invested in a good pitch to provide the best possible surface to play the type of passing game that entertains supporters, now Adkins has been dumped
we could have kept it like the oldham pitch which provided a good old fashioned clogfest today

the choice is yours

If he had his way we'd still be playing at a three sided stadium.
 
Lavery's injury wasn't caused by the pitch, there was a big scramble in the box (at the other end of the pitch, and I was on row C so not the best view) and Lavery went down after this.

However, it was painfully obvious that our performance was hugely affected by the cow field we had to perform on today; the ball was bobbling all over the shop and we went long all game to try and negate it. Our players are clearly suited to a lush carpet-like surface. We didn't play such an intricate passing game last season, so any benefits of the Desso weren't as obvious but it's clear in the system being employed by CW.
 
Yeah, but you know he's is injured, yeah? So, given your global ITKism, you'll be able to tell me if it was attributable to the condition of the playing surface, yeah?

Otherwise, why are you here?

pommpey

But that wasn't what you originally asked was it,you asked how many of our players return with injuries after playing on rubbish pitches,I answered Lavery got injured on a rubbish pitch this afternoon.

Now as regards your amended question,because you didn't like the answer to the question you asked,I cannot tell you if Laverys injury was directly attributable to the condition of the playing surface,because I was not at the game.
 
All of them, Barney. Even Burton.

Guarantee of passing football and success. Even away from home. As long as the players have the knowledge that back at home they have a Desso, they'll win away. Guaranteed.

This is amusing!

pommpey
Just in case anybody was curious though, the answer is zero.
 
Lavery's injury wasn't caused by the pitch, there was a big scramble in the box (at the other end of the pitch, and I was on row C so not the best view) and Lavery went down after this.

However, it was painfully obvious that our performance was hugely affected by the cow field we had to perform on today; the ball was bobbling all over the shop and we went long all game to try and negate it. Our players are clearly suited to a lush carpet-like surface. We didn't play such an intricate passing game last season, so any benefits of the Desso weren't as obvious but it's clear in the system being employed by CW.

Did he look in a bad way when he went off Rodders,was he stretchered off or walk off?
 
So do you think that with the old pitch and this seasons players we wouldn't get promoted?

The pitch is the factor that is going to get us promoted? If so, quite frankly that is a load of bollocks, imo of course.

No. You see it 'allows talented players' (like Basham, Freeman, Coutts, Sharp, Done, who all played on the Desso last season and were shit) to play out of their skins.

I think what happens away is that their boots are undercoated with a strip of Desso to enable them play like that.

pommpey
 
But that wasn't what you originally asked was it,you asked how many of our players return with injuries after playing on rubbish pitches,I answered Lavery got injured on a rubbish pitch this afternoon.

Now as regards your amended question,because you didn't like the answer to the question you asked,I cannot tell you if Laverys injury was directly attributable to the condition of the playing surface,because I was not at the game.

The Sky Reporter watching the game told us how Lavery was injured, and Rodders has confirmed it. You have absolutely nothing to offer apart from your poor effort at sophism. The injury wasn't attributable to the pitch. It was (as it seems) an impact injury due to the scramble. So your argument that poor surfaces has had some or other effect is void. Lavery came away from BP this afternoon with a non-playing surface-attributable injury. And you can't tell me if any other injuries this season are attributable to the playing surfaces.

Why are you still here, save to try to save your own sorry arse?

pommpey
 

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