Praise for McCabe, The Prince and SUFC

[Esablade]

First a lack of understanding of accounts now literature. It was a marlin.

Moby Dick?...most people refer to it as a whale..as in 'The Whale', it's alternate title....'you'll never catch that marlin' doesn't have quite the same ring to it...as well as being factually incorrect.

 

[JohnDenver]

Only one accountant involved. Which I thought would be pretty obvious

Can we get Norks out of retirement? Tag team number crunching.

 

[Sean Thornton]

The fact I have just stated shows it isn't true. A fact which you agreed with btw which contradicts your earlier post as shown.

But if you're just going to revert to type A and get personal whenever whatever you've decided to peddle today gets called out as bollocks then there's not much point in further dialogue is there?

Better to just leave you to it.

You've proved nothing. As ive explained the debt swap for shares is nothing to do with transfer of the ground. The accounts show - you used the word EXACTLY - that the groundcetc was transferred out and that the debts on them were at the same time. If you can't grasp the concept of debit and credit you can't possibly understand what's happened.

I've asked you two questions, why what I said wasn't true and what do you meanby asset debt.

The first one, you keep saying ive contradicted myself when I havent, it's that you can't understand they are two different transactions.

The second one youve just dodged.

Glad you're running away though, wise move, no one wants the old Barney back, that jokes very old by now, it's 2017.

Surely you remember your sparkling treaty on Contract Law? You're in the same mess here.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Moby Dick?...most people refer to it as a whale..as in 'The Whale', it's alternate title....'you'll never catch that marlin' doesn't have quite the same ring to it...as well as being factually incorrect.

You'll have explain the Moby Dick comment. The only fish based novel ive referenced on here is The Old Man and the Sea.

Can you do that, for the delectation of us all?

 

[raul]

Only one accountant involved. Which I thought would be pretty obvious

You make it sound like it's a good thing.

 

[Ecco1889]

 

[Barney]

You've proved nothing. As ive explained the debt swap for shares is nothing to do with transfer of the ground. The accounts show - you used the word EXACTLY - that the groundcetc was transferred out and that the debts on them were at the same time. If you can't grasp the concept of debit and credit you can't possibly understand what's happened.

I've asked you two questions, why what I said wasn't true and what do you meanby asset debt.

The first one, you keep saying ive contradicted myself when I havent, it's that you can't understand they are two different transactions.

The second one youve just dodged.

Glad you're running away though, wise move, no one wants the old Barney back, that jokes very old by now, it's 2017.

Surely you remember your sparkling treaty on Contract Law? You're in the same mess here.

I've explained how what you claimed was total bollocks. It's up to you whether you read it or not, it appears you haven't or rather don't want to.

And don't think everybody's forgotten about your inability to understand how having legal ownership of a ground makes an ever so slight difference in the selling potential of a football club.

For a supposed accountant too, I can provide assurance that bout of comedy shall never be matched.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Not a patch on your inability to understand how having legal ownership of a ground makes an ever so slight difference in the selling potential of a football club. For a supposed accountant too, I can provide assurance that bout of comedy shall never be matched.

A prospective buyer would, if he wanted it, simply buy the ground from SU Ltd and the FC Shares from Blades Leisure Ltd. You are allowed to do that you know.

 

[Esablade]

Erm...you were responding to my reference to Moby Dick here:

It's a LOL from me.
you'll never catch that whale...

First a lack of understanding of accounts now literature. It was a marlin.

It's quite a famous saying referring to Ahab's doomed quest to attain the unattainable, I would have thought a man of your obvious literary expertise would have understood this?...especially considering that I've spelt it out to you once before...

I know you like your childhood literary figures but you'll be re-naming yourself Captain Ahab if you carry on like this...most people, myself included, only heard this rumour from your good self repeating it...

Of course I fully understand how you've twisted your reply to infer what you'd like to project onto my post...

 

[Sean Thornton]

Erm...you were responding to my reference to Moby Dick here:





It's quite a famous saying referring to Ahab's doomed quest to attain the unattainable, I would have thought a man of your obvious literary expertise would have understood this?...especially considering that I've spelt it out to you once before...



Of course I fully understand how you've twisted your reply to infer what you'd like to project onto my post...

Aah so it's your comment not mine that you keep referencing. Your own pun. Nothing actually to do with anything I've actually posted myself? Right. I bet I'm the only one on the forum who hasn't got the joke! Imagine how daft I feel now. Imagine how good you must feel though, after having to explain it? Result?

It's hardly Mickey Flanaganesque in its delivery though is it?

 

[Esablade]

Aah so it's your comment not mine that you keep referencing. Your own pun. Nothing actually to do with anything I've actually posted myself? Right. I bet I'm the only one on the forum who hasn't got the joke! Imagine how daft I feel now. Imagine how good you must feel though, after having to explain it? Result?

It's hardly Mickey Flanaganesque in its delivery though is it?

Yeah, I see you're really struggling here.

how it works is I posted something, you replied ( with a totally innacurate response) then blamed me for posting the wrong thing you were wrongly referencing...

A perfect example of how you operate.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Yeah, I see you're really struggling here.

how it works is I posted something, you replied ( with a totally innacurate response) then blamed me for posting the wrong thing you were wrongly referencing...

A perfect example of how you operate.

Lol. What's the teenaged response to this that you use so well? Oh, yes. You seem angry.

Keep up the comedy gold references Buzz.

 

[Esablade]

Lol. What's the teenaged response to this that you use so well? Oh, yes. You seem angry.

Keep up the comedy gold references Buzz.

You've made a tit of yourself ( again)
Well done.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Man proclaims himself winner of latest Internet battle. In other news......

 

[Barney]

Man proclaims himself winner of latest Internet battle.

Hardly a challenging feat considering the opponent...

 

[Sean Thornton]

Another one upset because he made himself look stupid again. Honestly, you just can get good idiots anywhere these days.

 

[Esablade]

Man proclaims himself winner of latest Internet battle. In other news......

 

[Woodwardfan]

I'll give you lads a neutral opinion of who knows what he's talking about and the two who don't.

It's my big adversary Sean who knows his facts about United's Accounts, so just learn from him. You are pissed off with him because the facts do not suit your agendas.

We are all on the same side, I think.

 

[Esablade]

I'll give you lads a neutral opinion of who knows what he's talking about and the two who don't.

It's my big adversary Sean who knows his facts about United's Accounts, so just learn from him. You are pissed off with him because the facts do not suit your agendas.

We are all on the same side, I think.

Good job no one is disputing the accounts then eh?

 

[pommpey]

As with most on here their decisions are made in hindsight and it is so easy to be critical afterwards but if you look at the last 3 managerial appointments 2 of them were overwhelmingly positively received on this site and the last, Wilder, was a 50/50 split.

Go back read the messages, when Adkins was appointed, it was, apart from Barney , so positive and a great appointment by McCabe. No one saw what came that season. So yeah McCabe hired him, but so would 99% of people on here. He also got rid of him as well so deserves credit. He then got Wilder in, but of course you would have done that and you would never have hired Clough or Adkins because you know it all but amazingly spent your life on a ship, why not, with all your wisdom, set up and run a multi million pound business?

If you can't see the long term benefits of having the Desso, you are either stupid or argumentative or a combination of the 2. I am not saying it gives a benefit to us, as you rightly quote results, but there are so many positives:
Playable all year
Consistent surface
No relaying of surface
No cancelled games
Less injuries
Used for other events
Etc etc

And for your list, I respectfully ask you where in the past our footballing programme has ever been affected in such a drastic manner by postponed games that it has actually cost us (please show working out), where the previous surface has been directly attributed to injuries (and how this levels with say, today's cowfield where it seems no injuries have cost us) and finally, the 'other events', how many have taken place so far and even if they do, what that will bring to the 'football club' as a cost-benefit rather than the parent companyor the event promoter/Sky/third party rip-off companies.

I am neither stupid, nor argumentative. I'd happily SFTU if one of you lot could give me a credible, reasonable answer to what is patent evidence against your fallacious suppositions to support spunking cash on a folly.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

Its complicated, others will have a better understanding of the accounts, but from this my assumption is McCabe/HRH have been putting in many millions each year so many thanks and I would support any decent ideas on how we fans can show our thanks.

So, you'd like us to clap the people who have shat buckets of cash into the club (much of which has been on the appointment/sacking of gash managers) and have presided over a (I am sure you will agree with me) shit, protracted period in the third tier.

I say 'no. It's good we are hopefully headed upwards, but way overdue and the club and its fans deserve this success'.

I'll be grateful at the end of this season if we go up because players weren't sold and managers weren't sacked, because the two have seemingly been interlinked.

I'll start clapping McCabe if we strengthen and stay in the Championship.

pommpey

 

[Harrisblade]

And for your list, I respectfully ask you where in the past our footballing programme has ever been affected in such a drastic manner by postponed games that it has actually cost us (please show working out), where the previous surface has been directly attributed to injuries (and how this levels with say, today's cowfield where it seems no injuries have cost us) and finally, the 'other events', how many have taken place so far and even if they do, what that will bring to the 'football club' as a cost-benefit rather than the parent companyor the event promoter/Sky/third party rip-off companies.

I am neither stupid, nor argumentative. I'd happily SFTU if one of you lot could give me a credible, reasonable answer to what is patent evidence against your fallacious suppositions to support spunking cash on a folly.

pommpey

What's fallacious about assuming that good players can exhibit their skills better on a truer playing surface?
Seems like common sense to me.
Or have I been hallucinating when tv commentators keep saying things like "this pitch might even things up a bit"?
You ever faced a good team on a 4G pitch?

 

[metalblade]

Once again people are missing the point. A Desso pitch is a long term investment installed when short term we needed to get out of league one, nothing much else to say.

 

[Woodwardfan]

So, you'd like us to clap the people who have shat buckets of cash into the club (much of which has been on the appointment/sacking of gash managers) and have presided over a (I am sure you will agree with me) shit, protracted period in the third tier.

I say 'no. It's good we are hopefully headed upwards, but way overdue and the club and its fans deserve this success'.

I'll be grateful at the end of this season if we go up because players weren't sold and managers weren't sacked, because the two have seemingly been interlinked.

I'll start clapping McCabe if we strengthen and stay in the Championship.

pommpey

Pommps, Jump on board, take a ride, yeah. Jump on board, take a ride, yeah.

 

[pommpey]

What's fallacious about assuming that good players can exhibit their skills better on a truer playing surface?
Seems like common sense to me.
Or have I been hallucinating when tv commentators keep saying things like "this pitch might even things up a bit"?
You ever faced a good team on a 4G pitch?

*sigh*

Okay ... do you want me to re-post the stuff I did last night? The stuff which showed that last season, we were robbed of twenty-one points by being beaten on our beloved pitch? What part of 'it aint the pitch ... we've beaten clubs off the Desso this season' don't you actually see?

Let me just put to you that my hope that players such as Duffy being flogged hasn't actually materialized. Let me put to you that in Wilder, we have a manger who possibly won't stomach having his best players given away to pay wages and has recruited and crafted a better playing style ... on the Desso and away on cowfields ... and that might just be more of a contributory factor than the cocking semi plastic playing surface people like you worship.

I don't see us suffering much away from home this season. We have lost three away from Desso, against seven last season on it.

Do you need some sort of algebra to support that?

pommpey

 

[Sean Thornton]

Once again people are missing the point. A Desso pitch is a long term investment installed when short term we needed to get out of league one, nothing much else to say.

I totally understand that point of view.its certainly not an unreasonable one to hold. However Murphy wasnt sold to pay for it. Which has been claimed incessantly regardless of it not being the case.

 

[pommpey]

Pommps, Jump on board, take a ride, yeah. Jump on board, take a ride, yeah.

I'm with it WWF. I really wish some on here would wake up and see the reality rather than become all evangelical about McCabe.

It is the team and Wilder who have given us this season, not McCabe and Desso.

pommpey

 

[Woodwardfan]

I'm with it WWF. I really wish some on here would wake up and see the reality rather than become all evangelical about McCabe.

It is the team and Wilder who have given us this season, not McCabe and Desso.

pommpey

Wilder did not appoint himself, pay himself and his management team, fund the wage bill, subsidise cash flow, keep the Prince interested by re-configuring the vision. Come on.

As the 'anarchist' , you deserve to be exactly where you are which is exactly where I was 12 months ago when you were the one having a field day and I was ploughing a lone furrow.

As you will no doubt be so relieved, I am delighted things have turned out as they have.

 

[pommpey]

I totally understand that point of view.its certainly not an unreasonable one to hold. However Murphy wasnt sold to pay for it. Which has been claimed incessantly regardless of it not being the case.

Okay. On a level playing field now Sean. No prejudices now, answer me this:

You say the Desso was paid for by the Cup campaigns. Is there anything within the financial regulations which states such income cannot be reallocated to players wages?

McCabe said, the sale of Murphy was completed, and the proceeds reallocated to pay wages.

I accept both statements, but something still doesn't sit right. Regardless of any time lag you have put into this, doesn't one beget the other? Let's say McCabe has this cash an thinks, "Hmmm. Cup cash. I think we'll buy a Desso". Later he thinks, "Shit. The squad is massive and the wages huge (this was at the start of a season, so that itself is questionable regarding financial competence) I think we may have to sell last season's top scorer to Brighton to pay everyone's wages." Somewhere in there is a basic misconstruing and lack of basic acumen in forecasting, is it not?

Before everyone starts ... I am delighted about this season. Please back off.

pommpey

 

[metalblade]

I totally understand that point of view.its certainly not an unreasonable one to hold. However Murphy wasnt sold to pay for it. Which has been claimed incessantly regardless of it not being the case.

Not by me it hasn't.