Planning permission for the south stand

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Boundary Corner - a four storey largely residential building which will feature an impressive ground floor new Club retail outlet.

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Chaucer's Yard (Countess Road) - formerly a cutlery casting workshop and is Grade II listed in part. The site is located immediately off John Street and Countess Road and is situated within the John Street Conservation Area. Pre-application discussions have begun with the local authority, assessing the feasibility of new residential and commercial space alongside a refurbished Chaucer Yard development.

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Bramall Lane / Cherry Street Residential - WCEC is appraising the viability for an eight-storey residential development in two blocks on the Bramall Lane / Cherry Street corner adjacent to the Copthorne Hotel.

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Kop Extension / Business Centre (Kop to South Stand Corner) - Planning permission has been retained for a 3,200-seat extension at the back of the existing Kop, including a new roof and over trusses to allow the four existing roof support columns to be removed and the introduction of a new concourse with improved facilities.

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As part of this scheme permission was also granted for a new Business Enterprise Centre on stilts in the Kop/South Stand corner, allowing entry/exit routes to/from the Kop and South Stand to remain.

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John Street / Shoreham Street residential - Planning permission has been retained and obtained for a three and four storey residential development consisting of 52 apartments on the corner of John Street / Shoreham Street.

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John Street Corner Stand Executive Boxes - Assessments are ongoing for a concept proposal to create additional executive boxes at high level at the back of the corner stand. Detailed costings will determine if the project is viable.

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South Stand - Clean and improve the façade, creating a matching look with the hotel and a clearer identity to the component parts of the stand.

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The only development that will benefit most fans in any way is the Kop Extension and improvements.
As a fan, I can't really get excited about the prospect of Apartments and Shops and Business Centres being built on every spare scrap of land owned by the Club.
How will this effect any future developments of the actual "Football Stadium"?
Nobody's suggesting we need to or should expand the stadium yet but you would hope that any long-term plans might include an increase in capacity of more than 3200.
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I agree that we need a larger expansion potential than 3200 seats at the back of the kop. From that artists impression, it appears that some of the space behind the south stand that would've been used for a second tier will be taken up. If so it's a short sighted decision, but we will need to see more plans first. It could be an 'L' shaped building
 
When I started watching United the place was a dump. The football ground was added to the cricket pitch as an afterthought and remained that way for 100 years. In contrast Hillsborough was the go-to place for semi-finals, world cups and anything else passing by. Their ground was state-of-the-art, new cantilever stand, the lot. We Blades could only put up with this in typical stoic fashion and could only offer the consolation of staying dry when it pissed it down.

However, over the years, bit by bit, we have added to our ground, improved it here and there, ensured it was built to current safety standards and have got what is now BDTBL in the truest sense, and with more to come. In contrast, Hillsborough has degenerated into a filthy, stinking, rusting, decrepit fucking deathtrap with tarpaulin adverts serving no purpose other than to cover the rust stains.

50 odd years ago I would never have dreamt there would be complete reversal of the state of the City's football grounds. We've won fuck all over this period but we've got a venue to be proud of whilst they have got one to be ashamed of. I will have a glass of wine tonight and a quiet toast whilst reflecting on this turn of events and my fortune to be born a Blade.
 
I should coco said:
The bit from BL up to CCC with all the old cutlery works (and the dodgy shish emporiums). Also Portland Works is listed I think.
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And majority owned by West One I believe. I know for sure that the music / rehearsal rooms upstairs that have been frequented by the likes of the Arctic Monkeys in the past are 100% owned by West One.

It is no real surprise to see that in the wake of our proposed plans, certain derelict buildings surrounding BDTBL have been snapped up by developers. No work as such has been completed on some of them and they are merely being held on to as assets.
 
Sounds impressive, apartments could be fun ;) Although i wouldnt trust myself to be so close to man friday, That expanded superstore will be interesting, its huge now cant imagine as it is when its doubled. But for me capacity is the big one as that would up us to 36000 on par with tottenham (for now), leeds & above Wednesday once you account for all condemmed bits
 
I think it looks good, despite being overpriced the International bar and Superstore are full when there are 20k milling around, add another 3-5k fans and we'll need more of the same.

Plus, all the money spemt will go towards player investment so it's a win win.....
 
More apartments eh, not hard to see that McCabe is slowly going to squeeze United out of the lane as 36,000 will be no use to us should we reach the Premiership and stay there. Then again I would imagine that is the furthest thing from our Kev's mind. More revenue streams for United what a load of old bollocks he said the same about the hotel and look how that turned out. Think about it next time you laugh at Coventry who will soon be homeless we could be one day.
 
bladesmanluke said:
I agree that we need a larger expansion potential than 3200 seats at the back of the kop. From that artists impression, it appears that some of the space behind the south stand that would've been used for a second tier will be taken up. If so it's a short sighted decision, but we will need to see more plans first. It could be an 'L' shaped building
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This isn't the case what so ever mate! Looking at the official plans that have been submitted, to apartments have been designed with future expansion still very much in the forefront of the mind. Which is why they have retained the original planning permission in the first place.....These apartments are merely a stepping stone from what I can see.

The scale of the land itself is quite deceptive as a percentage of it is hidden away behind walls however it is much bigger than you would think...Plus, the complex itself is 4 storeys high which is the norm these days!....45 apartments on a piece of land this size is a piece of piss!....In fact looking at the plans, they could have been bit more greedy and gone for a few more but as I said above....They HAVE left plenty of land behind for future expansion of both The Kop and The South Stand.

The left being the plans that have been submitted and the right being a very, very rough mock up of where they would sit on a picture from google that I have ammended....Again showing thew rough outlines of where the original expansion plans would sit in relation.
 
bladesmanluke said:
If so it's a short sighted decision, but we will need to see more plans first. It could be an 'L' shaped building
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That building doesn't need to be L shaped. It's quite a big area from the Kop to Cherry Street, enough room for a large square shaped building.

Also agree that the Kop needs doing as it's the worse stand. Worse facilities and too many partially restricted view seats due the pillars. Removing the posts, a 3,000 extension would be great and putting the bogs and catering under cover would be a big improvement and give us a ground to be proud of.

An official 36K capacity means when the SY Police get involved we'll be allowed to sell 33,000 seats which should be fine for most situations.
 
I'm glad that they finally seem to be getting around to sorting the south stand's outer facade. It looks dated and tacky IMO, and yet it's always the one the media use as a backdrop to interviews etc.
 
Thanks for that Green Man,

The new building will be L shaped, so apologies to bladesmanluke.

There's no actual announcement regards the Kop being done.
It just mentions that the planning permission is still in place.

I suspect the club are doing this first
And will only do the Kop when are back in the PL.
Hope I'm wrong and that SU do all aspects of this developement very soon.
 

GrayBlade said:
I'm glad that they finally seem to be getting around to sorting the south stand's outer facade. It looks dated and tacky IMO, and yet it's always the one the media use as a backdrop to interviews etc.
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Yeh it's very concrete looking.
Reminds me of Kelvin Flats in the 70's.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Thanks for that Green Man,

The new building will be L shaped, so apologies to bladesmanluke.

There's no actual announcement regards the Kop being done.
It just mentions that the planning permission is still in place.

I suspect the club are doing this first
And will only do the Kop when are back in the PL.
Hope I'm wrong and that SU do all aspects of this developement very soon.
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Had it not been L-Shaped mate, looking at the plans it still wouldn't have impeded on any of the existing expansion plans.

As I said before...It is highly deceptive as to just how much land is available on that corner due to the wall around it. They could have easily been greedy and put double the amount of proposed apartments on the land in a square formation with parking beneath and this wouldn't have impeded any future expansion what so ever I wouldn't have thought (judging on the previous plans and access etc.

I can only think that the new L-shaped building has been designed with future expansion in mind as well as possible future commercial / enterprise buildings behind as well.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Thanks for that Green Man,

The new building will be L shaped, so apologies to bladesmanluke.

There's no actual announcement regards the Kop being done.
It just mentions that the planning permission is still in place.

I suspect the club are doing this first
And will only do the Kop when are back in the PL.
Hope I'm wrong and that SU do all aspects of this developement very soon.
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Kop won't happen until we get to the Prem. Whenever that happens who knows, but I guess the cost to upgrade the Kop will have quadrupled in cost by then or worse
 
Sheffsteel said:
That building doesn't need to be L shaped. It's quite a big area from the Kop to Cherry Street, enough room for a large square shaped building.

Also agree that the Kop needs doing as it's the worse stand. Worse facilities and too many partially restricted view seats due the pillars. Removing the posts, a 3,000 extension would be great and putting the bogs and catering under cover would be a big improvement and give us a ground to be proud of.

An official 36K capacity means when the SY Police get involved we'll be allowed to sell 33,000 seats which should be fine for most situations.
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The Kop is the worst stand without a doubt, by a country mile! Every seat is 'partially restricted' as it's no where near steep enough, never mind the pillars. Simply extending the back of the stand and putting the concourse inside is absolutely not good enough. It requires knocking down and completely rebuilding, nothing less will do if we want a truly first class stadium.
 
Perfect that's plenty of space for any future south stand development. If anything they could've made this development taller if they wanted to. That way any local residents wouldn't have had as much of a leg to stand on when it comes to moaning about the increase in height of the kop and south stand if either ever happen.
 
Wish they would stop filling in the corners with stupid business centres and apartments, its a bloody football ground, we want seats in the corners at some point.That one between john street and away stand looks absolutely shit, i really dont like where this is all heading. If they need to build shit like that, do it behind the stands please.
 
GrayBlade said:
I'm glad that they finally seem to be getting around to sorting the south stand's outer facade. It looks dated and tacky IMO, and yet it's always the one the media use as a backdrop to interviews etc.
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I preferred it before they did the red and white cladding to be honest! It looks a bit overpowering and cheesy as it does now!
 
Glyn Hodges left foot said:
Wish they would stop filling in the corners with stupid business centres and apartments, its a bloody football ground, we want seats in the corners at some point.That one between john street and away stand looks absolutely shit, i really dont like where this is all heading. If they need to build shit like that, do it behind the stands please.
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I totally get what you're saying but we have filled in the Bramall Lane end with the South Stand, and the Kop with the John Street, and the latter will be redeveloped (eventually) or at least was planned in the now failed improvements for the 2018 world cup. We still have plenty of room to develop the Kop and South Stand to a capacity of around 44,000 - the figure banded about at the world cup bid.

Also, the Kop maybe is the one stand I'm ok seeing separate to the rest of the ground so that it is distinctive from the adjacent stands. The Kop corner even isn't adjoining, due to a different pitch.
 
Also, the Kop maybe is the one stand I'm ok seeing separate to the rest of the ground so that it is distinctive from the adjacent stands. The Kop corner even isn't adjoining, due to a different pitch.[/QUOTE]


Well said; and a very very poor pitch it is too.......no desso jokes please!
 
penthouseblade said:
The Kop is the worst stand without a doubt, by a country mile! Every seat is 'partially restricted' as it's no where near steep enough, never mind the pillars. Simply extending the back of the stand and putting the concourse inside is absolutely not good enough. It requires knocking down and completely rebuilding, nothing less will do if we want a truly first class stadium.
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Completely agree with that. The gradient and pillars are the key things to sort – it's presumably possible if we're wanting to do it on the cheap (which I'm guessing we will be) to convert the existing stand to a better gradient. Plenty of stands had to undergo a similar process for conversion from terracing to seating. With some thoughtful design this surely should be able to be done alongside the roofing changes suggested. I'm not convinced increasing the capacity is at all necessary until we hit the top division, if at all to be honest, but the last thing we want to do is simply extend backwards the current problem.
 

LoughboroBlade said:
Completely agree with that. The gradient and pillars are the key things to sort – it's presumably possible if we're wanting to do it on the cheap (which I'm guessing we will be) to convert the existing stand to a better gradient. Plenty of stands had to undergo a similar process for conversion from terracing to seating. With some thoughtful design this surely should be able to be done alongside the roofing changes suggested. I'm not convinced increasing the capacity is at all necessary until we hit the top division, if at all to be honest, but the last thing we want to do is simply extend backwards the current problem.
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chicken and egg , we need the extra sold tickets to help fund a longer prem stay
sometimes you have to push the boat out , , remove all the mound and utilise every square foot under the new kop stand
doing upgrades a bit at a time isnt prudent long term
 
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