Planning permission for the south stand

[penthouseblade]

Hopefully you can see the screenshot!

Have a look at the back row of seats on the lower tier of the new SS, relative to the Kop. They are both the same i.e. at the same rake. Currently the back of the Kop is lower than the back of the South Stand because of the poor rake. Either that image/video is very very misleading or the Kop has been rebuilt from scratch at the same rake as the existing South Stand plus an even steeper extension.....??

 

[Rodley]

If we are "one season wonders" how does that work.

The only time since 2007 when we would average 30k+ because new fans want to come and watch Prem football and we say,stay away we are doing building work on our two biggest stands.

I say stop phaffin and get the building work done now,it will still be a pain as we are averaging 26k now.

If we’re a one season wonder, then don’t do it. That’s my professional advice.

 

[Rodley]

View attachment 34082 Hopefully you can see the screenshot!

Have a look at the back row of seats on the lower tier of the new SS, relative to the Kop. They are both the same i.e. at the same rake. Currently the back of the Kop is lower than the back of the South Stand because of the poor rake. Either that image/video is very very misleading or the Kop has been rebuilt from scratch at the same rake as the existing South Stand plus an even steeper extension.....??

They need to do absolutely everything, and I mean employ an acoustic engineer, to ensure all steps are taken to maximise the noise at BDTBL.

 

[bladesmanluke]

View attachment 34082 Hopefully you can see the screenshot!

Have a look at the back row of seats on the lower tier of the new SS, relative to the Kop. They are both the same i.e. at the same rake. Currently the back of the Kop is lower than the back of the South Stand because of the poor rake. Either that image/video is very very misleading or the Kop has been rebuilt from scratch at the same rake as the existing South Stand plus an even steeper extension.....??

Nope. The back 15/16 rows on the kop are a steeper rake to the rest of the stand, as planned. The Kop is 100% definitely not going to be demolished and rebuilt as that would be the biggest waste of money this club has ever made and we’ve wasted some money let me tell you.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Shouldn’t worry mate I reckon your nipper will have had a nipper before this get built.

PMSL

UTB

 

[snootyfenooty]

If we are "one season wonders" how does that work.

The only time since 2007 when we would average 30k+ because new fans want to come and watch Prem football and we say,stay away we are doing building work on our two biggest stands.

I say stop phaffin and get the building work done now,it will still be a pain as we are averaging 26k now.

You mean some forward planning. Nah, that would require a forward thinking club supported by forward thinking fans. Sometimes I think our management consultants are Lastminute.com.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

For the "football" fans among you who look at other clubs.

Palace have just announced the building of a new main stand - cost is £100M - just ONE stand adding an extra 8K seats.

Doubt Palace have a massive prawn sandwich brigade, but if we have any intention of making and then staying in the Premier League, the SS needs doing first followed by giving our kopites more than just a bolted on lego extension on top of what is a bucket load of concrete on top of an existing earth mound.

Proper facilities to take the club forward - not backwards.

When proper finances are available - FFS, do it properly.

UTB

 

[stringjunior]

They need to do absolutely everything, and I mean employ an acoustic engineer, to ensure all steps are taken to maximise the noise at BDTBL.

I've been saying this for ages. Acoustics are often overlooked when planning stadiums. Take Wembley as an example.... Bloody awful acoustics.

 

[metalblade]

HS2 will be built before that. Looks good though apart from that awful looking building in the corner where seats should be.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Bloody awful acoustics.

bloody too low on the bottom tier and too high and too far away on the upper tier.

UTB

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

If we’re a one season wonder, then don’t do it. That’s my professional advice.

So we get promoted to the Prem we wait a full season to see if we are going to be a one season wonder.
Never get done at that rate.

 

[penthouseblade]

Nope. The back 15/16 rows on the kop are a steeper rake to the rest of the stand, as planned. The Kop is 100% definitely not going to be demolished and rebuilt as that would be the biggest waste of money this club has ever made and we’ve wasted some money let me tell you.

So it's actually a false representation of what the redevelopment will look like then, what a shame.
I like the South Stand idea but the Kop really does have to go!

 

[Fulwood Blade]

View attachment 34082 Hopefully you can see the screenshot!

Have a look at the back row of seats on the lower tier of the new SS, relative to the Kop. They are both the same i.e. at the same rake. Currently the back of the Kop is lower than the back of the South Stand because of the poor rake. Either that image/video is very very misleading or the Kop has been rebuilt from scratch at the same rake as the existing South Stand plus an even steeper extension.....??

Yes it could be a misleading image.

It may also be that the back 6 to 10 rows of the existing SS would be taken away for the new row of executive boxes and executive seats you can see.

There is no way a new SS would not accommodate new boxes in some way shape or form

UTB

 

[penthouseblade]

They need to do absolutely everything, and I mean employ an acoustic engineer, to ensure all steps are taken to maximise the noise at BDTBL.

I've been saying this for ages. Acoustics are often overlooked when planning stadiums. Take Wembley as an example.... Bloody awful acoustics.

You would think acoustic impact (if that's the right way to put it) is looked at but somehow I doubt it here! On the subject, Bolton Wanderers stadium is dog shit but I always thought the acoustics were really good, even half empty, something to do with curved roofs perhaps??

 

[coolhandluke]

Just in case a Chinese lunatic who does want to spunk Millions does come along in a couple of years.

Fair enough . Personally speaking I don't think the Club ( McCabe) would submit a planning application on behalf of an unknown investor somewhere in the future . Maybe there is something in this in terms of making the Club more attractive to a progressive ( and very rich ) potential investor by clearing any bureaucratic obstacles in their way . But then again such a move could be interpreted as McCabe imposing conditions upon any potential takeover in relation to significant stadium investment .

It's an odd situation . I understand the original plans were drawn up in light of our unsuccessful bid to stage next year's world cup but why now ??

 

[penthouseblade]

Yes it could be a misleading image.

It may also be that the back 6 to 10 rows of the existing SS would be taken away for the new row of executive boxes and executive seats you can see.

There is no way a new SS would not accommodate new boxes in some way shape or form

UTB

Yes could be, good suggestion. There are boxes in betweeen the two tiers but can you see a redevelopment taking out a couple thousand seats to accommodate them? Doesn't add up to me really but I don't know what the associated costs would be! I'm more concerned with having the Kop totally rebuilt to be honest, the South Stand will be excellent regardless I reckon.

 

[Houston_Blade]

HS2 will be built before that. Looks good though apart from that awful looking building in the corner where seats should be.

My thoughts exactly, my kids might see it built but I won't!

 

[bladesmanluke]

So it's actually a false representation of what the redevelopment will look like then, what a shame.
I like the South Stand idea but the Kop really does have to go!

It’s difficult to see, but if you look closely there’s definitely a change in rake between the old seats and the new alongside the new media centre. It’s just not the best angle.

I don’t understand why the Kop has to go? With the redevelopment we’re getting;

1) an increase in capacity of 3,000 seats
2) indoor and more facilities
3) removal of the supporting pillars and new roof to improve sight lines
4) the new 3,000 seats will be at an increased rake to improve sight lines.

If you’re about to tell me that the leg room isn’t sufficient and the main body of the stand isn’t steep enough, I’d advise you look at the cost attributed to knocking it down and rebuilding it. Look at that against the fact that if we increased the rake and the leg room of the whole Kop it would actually reduce the capacity of the stand from what it is now, 10,200ish to probably around 8,000. Even if it was the size of the planned extension it would still be diddlysquat in terms of increased capacity. So what logic is there to spending £30m in doing so? There would never, ever be a return on investment.

 

[Ben_1982]

The area between the tiers would be boardroom/ restaurants. The back of the top tier would be private boxes

 

[BushBlade]

For the "football" fans among you who look at other clubs.

Palace have just announced the building of a new main stand - cost is £100M - just ONE stand adding an extra 8K seats.

Doubt Palace have a massive prawn sandwich brigade, but if we have any intention of making and then staying in the Premier League, the SS needs doing first followed by giving our kopites more than just a bolted on lego extension on top of what is a bucket load of concrete on top of an existing earth mound.

Proper facilities to take the club forward - not backwards.

When proper finances are available - FFS, do it properly.

UTB

There are reasons for that figure. Palace would have to buy land to build a stand that big. Simon Jordan was on the radio talking about it the other night. He was saying it wouldn't normally cost anything like that in construction costs.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Spend it one the first team Kev.

 

[JohnDenver]

Spend it one the first team Kev.

That new stand would cost the same as a middling premiership footballer. Bonkers.

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

Two points from me

Firstly I like the fact that our ground is four equal but different stands. It has character but equally recognise that we have to move on as standing still isn’t an option.
Secondly I worry that this will have the same impact the original/current south stand had which financially crippled us for years. If that isn’t the case then ok but it makes me nervous about reliving that again

 

[penthouseblade]

It’s difficult to see, but if you look closely there’s definitely a change in rake between the old seats and the new alongside the new media centre. It’s just not the best angle.

I don’t understand why the Kop has to go? With the redevelopment we’re getting;

1) an increase in capacity of 3,000 seats
2) indoor and more facilities
3) removal of the supporting pillars and new roof to improve sight lines
4) the new 3,000 seats will be at an increased rake to improve sight lines.

If you’re about to tell me that the leg room isn’t sufficient and the main body of the stand isn’t steep enough, I’d advise you look at the cost attributed to knocking it down and rebuilding it. Look at that against the fact that if we increased the rake and the leg room of the whole Kop it would actually reduce the capacity of the stand from what it is now, 10,200ish to probably around 8,000. Even if it was the size of the planned extension it would still be diddlysquat in terms of increased capacity. So what logic is there to spending £30m in doing so? There would never, ever be a return on investment.

I used to stand on the original Kop and have many wonderful memories of being on there. The eyesore that replaced it was the cheapest possible solution to the demands of the Taylor Report. 25 years later and it is still there, it wasn't good enough then to be honest (in the top flight), and it certainly isn’t good enough now. Personally speaking, my biggest beef is because of the poor rake you simply can't see the whole pitch. A touch below the six yard box and it's a big struggle to see what's going on; that really isn’t good enough I'm afraid, I don't think it's too much to ask to be able to see all the action is it? A basic pre requisite frankly; most of the League One stadia I visited had better views, that says it all!

If you read earlier posts you'll see my thoughts on it, but if we want a truly world class stadium the needs to be razed to the ground and rebuilt properly, fully utilizing the space created underneath and behind the large plot it sits on.

As for the capacity and the cost, we don't know what those figures are, so probably best not to pluck figures out the air.

I've not been on the Kop for about 10 years and I have resigned myself to (probably) never going on it again as the current structure will remain and an extension bolted on the back of it. How very disappointing indeed........South Stand will look great though!

 

[Jon Bon II]

I hate these international breaks...

 

[thehet]

In before Where's Brooks money gone.

 

[ucandomagic]

As I understood it, money spent on the ground is nothing to do with the football side of the business - basically the ground is owned by McC who the football club pays rent to. Presumably, if Mr McLandlord spends gazillions on making our house better he will want us to pay more rent - but as long as the football club links the rent to attendances or league division membership the club should be OK. Question though - do corporate box revenues go to the club or to the owner?

 

[Tom Bott]

Where is the cricket pitch ?

 

[ucandomagic]

Where is the cricket pitch ?

I’ve got a bit from the last match!

 

[Sheffsteel]

HS2 will be built before that. Looks good though apart from that awful looking building in the corner where seats should be.

Said this before.

McCabe will know every possible option and will have compared costs against advantages.
He’s a professional property developer so should know exactly what’s best for the club.

If 2 stands have a different rake angles then it would cost too much to join them up.
Also in order to create a curve to gain seats, you would need to lose a similiar amount of seats on the Kop. Remember the seats in the current Kop go well past the corner flag, creating a curve would mean we lose at least 1000 seats. Doesn’t make any sense to pay out so much just for vanity and no increase in capacity.

Also the corner building is where the media centre will be on match day.
Sky tv and the radio commenters, sports reporters etc will be sat in the warmth behind a glass panel with a fantastic view of the pitch. On non match days the media centre can be used for conference centres and office space.