New stadium at the Lane?

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I've got about 6 ft of legroom,but I do sit on the front row:cool:
 

The_Green_Man said:
The office block on the Bramall Lane / John Street corner has many an empty unit does it not?

You wouldn't have to lose any capacity what so ever either as a new corner would fit seamlessly into that space all be it at a slightly higher elevation.....and if anything it paves space and perhaps forces a hand for eventually a steeper kop!
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A new corner wouldn't fit seamlessly, if you do it like the corner on the other side of the Kop, it's a small worthless piece of crap like that corner is (the extra toilets added more of an asset to the ground than the seats in it) and there's less space to work with in the empty corner as the Kop and South Stand overlap at the front.

You can't do it like the Westfield corner as that's joined onto the BL Upper at one side and much higher than the South Stand on the other. Stick that at the other end of the South Stand and it's a weird floating thing hanging in the middle of nowhere.

The best thing we could probably manage corner-wise would be something that fits seamlessly onto the South Stand, but that wouldn't add that many more seats and would probably need demolishing with any proper Kop expansion. Much like the Pukka Pies corner, it'd be so much higher than the Kop that it'd have ro relevance to the angle of a potential rebuild.
 
Sheffsteel said:
I would agree with you if we charged high prices

But look at Stoke City. a club with traditionally less support than us.
They finish mid table every season, no excitement, no expectation, just a club that boringly plods along mid table every season.

The novelty has worn off at Stoke and their fans are losing interest but they have had average gates of 27,000 in a stadium holding 27,500 for the last 8 years running.

How did they manage it?
They've kept their season tickets at very low prices every season meaning they have 24K season ticket holders. Kids are almost free if accompanied by an adult.

Next season they have again frozen their prices
Season tickets are £294 to £359 for adults and an incredible
£38 for under 11's and free for under 7's.

To be be honest if United charged those prices we would have 25K to 30K season ticket holders for years. Such cheap entertainment for families taking kids and this is the way forward.
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Lets hope SUFC read that.
 
Ginger Gnome said:
A new corner wouldn't fit seamlessly, if you do it like the corner on the other side of the Kop, it's a small worthless piece of crap like that corner is (the extra toilets added more of an asset to the ground than the seats in it) and there's less space to work with in the empty corner as the Kop and South Stand overlap at the front.

You can't do it like the Westfield corner as that's joined onto the BL Upper at one side and much higher than the South Stand on the other. Stick that at the other end of the South Stand and it's a weird floating thing hanging in the middle of nowhere.

The best thing we could probably manage corner-wise would be something that fits seamlessly onto the South Stand, but that wouldn't add that many more seats and would probably need demolishing with any proper Kop expansion. Much like the Pukka Pies corner, it'd be so much higher than the Kop that it'd have ro relevance to the angle of a potential rebuild.
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Which is why you level the kop and rebuild the whole thing, both corners included.

Do it once and do it right.
 
The building/rebuilding of stands is all down to ROI (Return on Investment).

I will presume most of you know that Liverpool have just added/rebuilt their main stand.

Upon completion, Liverpool fans were asking the management about phase 2 which was the rebuild of the Anfield Road end (the away fans are housed in the bottom left corner).

The answer was quite clear, and when I heard the answer it was quite staggering. The main stand has a ROI of 3-5 years - yes, it will pay for it self in that time, due to all the new seats and CORPORATE facilities.

Due to the Anfield Road stand taking 15-20 years on ROI because of very limited corporate stuff (or prawn sandwich brigade as some call it), this has now been postponed indefinitely.

Any return the promised land should see us do SS first and get more quality seats - unless that is you want to pay 60+ quid (at todays prices) to sit on a new Shoreham Street?

UTB
 
Dkc I feel so strongly about Bramall Lane as our home I wouldn't want to watch us anywhere else. So a ground move is 100% a non starter.

As for rebuilding the ground? Why? We would need a max of 50,000 kop and south stand extensions would easily accommodate this
 
Fulwood Blade said:
The building/rebuilding of stands is all down to ROI (Return on Investment).

I will presume most of you know that Liverpool have just added/rebuilt their main stand.

Upon completion, Liverpool fans were asking the management about phase 2 which was the rebuild of the Anfield Road end (the away fans are housed in the bottom left corner).

The answer was quite clear, and when I heard the answer it was quite staggering. The main stand has a ROI of 3-5 years - yes, it will pay for it self in that time, due to all the new seats and CORPORATE facilities.

Due to the Anfield Road stand taking 15-20 years on ROI because of very limited corporate stuff (or prawn sandwich brigade as some call it), this has now been postponed indefinitely.

Any return the promised land should see us do SS first and get more quality seats - unless that is you want to pay 60+ quid (at todays prices) to sit on a new Shoreham Street?

UTB
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I'd guess any redevelopment costs would be borne by a McCabe company and offset by the rerun from commercial ventures included in the redevelopment, with a rent increase being the cost to the club paid for, hopefully, by increased attendances.
 
I would only want to redevelop Bramall lane if we did like liverpool have at anfield. Because as i program i was watching on history. Had keith allen say he never leave craven cottage for all its faults & historian says once you leave a stadium like that all the history & who you are is left behind too. Yeah we might get more capacity. But for a soulless bowl that is the same as majority of clubs. As take the seats out of Southampton Derby Coventry Middlesborough Hull Birmingham Reading & Leicester. You struggle to know where you are as they would be identical stadium

Ive already got a picture of the stadium would that we move into
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In the 2007 season we averaged just over 30,000 attendance, something we haven't come close to since. The previous time we broke the 30k average attendance was the 1954 season. The biggest crowd I can remember was the 5-1 victory over Cardiff in 1971 - recorded as 43,000 (felt like more and there were reports of turnstile fiddling going the rounds). The piggies have to go back as far as 1968 for an average attendance over 30k. Aston Villa, in a city almost twice as big as us, have only averaged over 40k once since 1950.

Yes we might get more attendance for the odd match and I'm all for ambition, but I'd hesitate before assuming we are going to be a fixture in the Premiership with regular gates of 55k. Like it or not we are in a two team city (and we are not the one favoured by the FA or the City Council) unlike, say, Newcastle. I'd settle for the extra 3k in the kop and build the additional seats when we have our noses securely back in the Premiership trough and the gravy train is rolling. Attendances aren't the financial fulcrum they used to be (e.g. Bournemouth - capacity 11.5k and less than 1/3 of Arsenal's income is derived from gate receipts). I'd hate for us to do what the pigs did in the sixties and spend the money on the ground at the expense of the team.

re the roof - I'd like to think we would look at the acoustic design
https://www.scienceabc.com/sports/acoustics-stadium-designed-soccer-noise-maximum.html

just my take.
 
Cyprus Blade said:
In the 2007 season we averaged just over 30,000 attendance, something we haven't come close to since. The previous time we broke the 30k average attendance was the 1954 season. The biggest crowd I can remember was the 5-1 victory over Cardiff in 1971 - recorded as 43,000 (felt like more and there were reports of turnstile fiddling going the rounds). The piggies have to go back as far as 1968 for an average attendance over 30k. Aston Villa, in a city almost twice as big as us, have only averaged over 40k once since 1950.

Yes we might get more attendance for the odd match and I'm all for ambition, but I'd hesitate before assuming we are going to be a fixture in the Premiership with regular gates of 55k. Like it or not we are in a two team city (and we are not the one favoured by the FA or the City Council) unlike, say, Newcastle. I'd settle for the extra 3k in the kop and build the additional seats when we have our noses securely back in the Premiership trough and the gravy train is rolling. Attendances aren't the financial fulcrum they used to be (e.g. Bournemouth - capacity 11.5k and less than 1/3 of Arsenal's income is derived from gate receipts). I'd hate for us to do what the pigs did in the sixties and spend the money on the ground at the expense of the team.

re the roof - I'd like to think we would look at the acoustic design
https://www.scienceabc.com/sports/acoustics-stadium-designed-soccer-noise-maximum.html

just my take.
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Thought we also broke the 30k average in the 70's as well? Not that it matters but given a relatively successful team in the top flight I'm sure we could beat 30k average by some margin given a bigger capacity.
 

Cyprus Blade said:
In the 2007 season we averaged just over 30,000 attendance, something we haven't come close to since. The previous time we broke the 30k average attendance was the 1954 season.
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We averaged over 33K in the 71-72 season.

Updating the Kop with covered concourse areas and removal of the pilars is the biggest priority
So may as well build it bigger and expand to 36.5K as per the plans.

The problem is I would imagine it could take ages (guessing at 20 years+) to recoup the investment.
That's why I would imagine United will try to keep the building costs as low as possible.
 
Cyprus Blade said:
In the 2007 season we averaged just over 30,000 attendance, something we haven't come close to since. The previous time we broke the 30k average attendance was the 1954 season. The biggest crowd I can remember was the 5-1 victory over Cardiff in 1971 - recorded as 43,000 (felt like more and there were reports of turnstile fiddling going the rounds). The piggies have to go back as far as 1968 for an average attendance over 30k. Aston Villa, in a city almost twice as big as us, have only averaged over 40k once since 1950.

Yes we might get more attendance for the odd match and I'm all for ambition, but I'd hesitate before assuming we are going to be a fixture in the Premiership with regular gates of 55k. Like it or not we are in a two team city (and we are not the one favoured by the FA or the City Council) unlike, say, Newcastle. I'd settle for the extra 3k in the kop and build the additional seats when we have our noses securely back in the Premiership trough and the gravy train is rolling. Attendances aren't the financial fulcrum they used to be (e.g. Bournemouth - capacity 11.5k and less than 1/3 of Arsenal's income is derived from gate receipts). I'd hate for us to do what the pigs did in the sixties and spend the money on the ground at the expense of the team.

re the roof - I'd like to think we would look at the acoustic design
https://www.scienceabc.com/sports/acoustics-stadium-designed-soccer-noise-maximum.html

just my take.
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Agree 100% on maximising noise.
 
sheff_blade90 said:
I would only want to redevelop Bramall lane if we did like liverpool have at anfield. Because as i program i was watching on history. Had keith allen say he never leave craven cottage for all its faults & historian says once you leave a stadium like that all the history & who you are is left behind too. Yeah we might get more capacity. But for a soulless bowl that is the same as majority of clubs. As take the seats out of Southampton Derby Coventry Middlesborough Hull Birmingham Reading & Leicester. You struggle to know where you are as they would be identical stadium

Ive already got a picture of the stadium would that we move into
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Different coloured seats. That's how you know we're you are.
 
Whilst I don't doubt our potential, some people are getting a bit carried away here with 50k stadiums. We sound like Wednesdays.

The plans already in place are more than adequate, with the only additions/alterations in terms of capacity maybe being the Kop/South stand corner and looking at some way to extend John Street. Both of these options pose issues for different reasons; the former as it would reduce income and ROI (as has been mentioned) from the proposed office block in that corner and the second option, as it would be logistically a nightmare and expensive.
 
With a big daft kop end, double decker main stand(proposed) a canter lever stand opposite and a two tier away end.
Where else do we know that looks like this, but with a bigger capacity?
For the sake of the city, if we want create a stadium worthy of bringing the Wold cup or Euro back to Sheffield. We need to stop trying to recreate a mini Hillsborough.
Rebuilding the kop to the same standard as the South stand but with proper filled in corners, would give the ground a bit of symmetry as well as quality. If the kop was built further back that would also allow future development of the BL end.
 
dannysufc_ said:
I do agree but having to wash your hands in cold water on the Kop on a freezing cold Tuesday night in 2017 is unbelievable. I've considered taking warm water in a flask just to wash my hands after the inevitable half time piss.
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Da wa?
 
S64 Blade said:
looking at some way to extend John Street..
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Don't see how this is possible, given the housing on John St. Didn't Liverpool have to buy up a load of houses near the ground before they could go ahead with their main stand? Even if the JSS could go higher planning permission is liable to be refused as it would block out natural light to the houses opposite.

Although it's the most modern side, the JSS is the smallest stand in the ground, and lets it down a bit, especially as it is the stand you always see on TV. I suppose the top tier of exec boxes could be removed and 2,000-odd seats added but that wouldn't be a money earner.

Someone was videoing the match from the JSS on Saturday and the full ground from there looked superb. A new TV studio on the JSS could probably be built with the loss of one executive box.
 
Dkc said:
Don't see how this is possible, given the housing on John St. Didn't Liverpool have to buy up a load of houses near the ground before they could go ahead with their main stand? Even if the JSS could go higher planning permission is liable to be refused as it would block out natural light to the houses opposite.

Although it's the most modern side, the JSS is the smallest stand in the ground, and lets it down a bit, especially as it is the stand you always see on TV. I suppose the top tier of exec boxes could be removed and 2,000-odd seats added but that wouldn't be a money earner.

Someone was videoing the match from the JSS on Saturday and the full ground from there looked superb. A new TV studio on the JSS could probably be built with the loss of one executive box.
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Yeah this is exactly my point. The only option is building over the road and purchasing the block of houses behind. It would probably be the last stand we could extend.
 
Lets just hope any ground improvements are not done by the numpties who did the streetwise kop corner or whatever it is called this season kin hell that is a piss poor effort at filling a corner in.
 
metalblade said:
Lets just hope any ground improvements are not done by the numpties who did the streetwise kop corner or whatever it is called this season kin hell that is a piss poor effort at filling a corner in.
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It's a stand I've never been in, what's wrong with it?

Westfield corner has a brill veiw.
 

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