McCabe on RS

[blade too long]

So , the first thing he brings up is the financial implication, 15 m loss over 2 years and cuts to be made , in fairness to lower our wage bill to league restrictions under league rules.
In short we are under league obligation to run a tighter ship , missing out means we are to work on a budget half of what last seasons was, so the chances of signing Lionel Messi are cut even further.
I dont think he was saying we are in trouble , just that its going to be even harder for Wilson to bring in better players as we wont be allowed to fund them,as our current staffing costs need trimming to stay within the rules

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Would you rather him have said everything's hunky dory?

 

[EasyBlade]

If anyone thinks we're certs for automatics next season, they're going to be in for a surprise. These UEFA fair play rules aren't good news, and coupled with wage budget reduction, it's going to leave us no doubt with a weaker squad.

 

[metalblade]

Which is a load of bollocks of course, we are the best supported team in this league so with the new rules we should be able to spend the most on the squad .................somehow I can't see the likes of Crawley or Coventry for that matter being able to compete with us.

 

[bartman]

Nothing unexpected there. I would be surprised if any of the out of contract players will be retained because of wages. I will be amazed if Quinn isn't sold and possibly even Collins. That would leave Cresswell and Monty as the hih earners(possibly Doyle ?).

We will still have one of the highest wage bills in League 1 next season as we will have one of the top 5 turnovers(i don't know if the related clubs will have a season or so to adjust) so we will soon find out if DW is good enough in the transfer market

 

[metalblade]

The thing is 99% of league clubs will need to trim the budgets who's to say we can get rid of the high earners they may well end up having to take pays cuts ( boo hoo welcome to the real world I'm sure you won't starve ). I think there may be more players on the market than takers over the summer until wages come down to a sensible level.
Best thing UEFA has ever done as far as I'm concerned

 

[sheffielder]

We need to get close to the big clubs and start loaning youngsters like Freeman(Arsenal) at Stevenage for example. You could fill your squad with some quality players adding to core team we can keep.

This would have happened even if we were in the championship because I don't think much financially changes so let's get on with it.

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

The thing is 99% of league clubs will need to trim the budgets who's to say we can get rid of the high earners they may well end up having to take pays cuts ( boo hoo welcome to the real world I'm sure you won't starve ). I think there may be more players on the market than takers over the summer until wages come down to a sensible level.
Best thing UEFA has ever done as far as I'm concerned

I think there will be a few rude awakenings - there are a lot of frankly mediocre players earning vast sums compared to the people who sit watching them play.

 

[pommpey]

So, what McCabe was saying is, "... you think YOU have got problems?"

Yes we have, you chimp. Now get your hands back in your pockets and invest more cash to get our club out of this fucking league, eh?

Or see the gates dwindle to sub 10k.

pommpey

 

[Kenilworth]

Which is a load of bollocks of course, we are the best supported team in this league so with the new rules we should be able to spend the most on the squad .................somehow I can't see the likes of Crawley or Coventry for that matter being able to compete with us.

Not sure you are looking at this logically MB - it's not about spending more it's about reducing what we are already spending to get in line.

We may have the largest crowds in this division next year but that doesn't mean that we can afford to have a better squad next season. Other teams will already have wage structures pretty much in line with the fair play rules.

Our wages to turnover was over 100% the season just gone and we still have the likes of Monty and Cresswell under contract on large salaries - are we certain they will not still be here come August?. This severely restricts the choices DW can make to trim the wage bill whilst building a squad capable of a realistic challenge for automatic next season, especially if Monty cannot be shifted. If Monty reamains, how many youngsters will he have to release to balance the budget? How many other squad players will he not be in a position to offer new contracts to? It's a real challenge and will inevitably lead to a far weaker squad next season

 

[metalblade]

Not sure you are looking at this logically MB - it's not about spending more it's about reducing what we are already spending to get in line.

We may have the largest crowds in this division next year but that doesn't mean that we can afford to have a better squad next season. Other teams will already have wage structures pretty much in line with the fair play rules.

Our wages to turnover was over 100% the season just gone and we still have the likes of Monty and Cresswell under contract on large salaries - are we certain they will not still be here come August?. This severely restricts the choices DW can make to trim the wage bill whilst building a squad capable of a realistic challenge for automatic next season, especially if Monty cannot be shifted. If Monty reamains, how many youngsters will he have to release to balance the budget? How many other squad players will he not be in a position to offer new contracts to? It's a real challenge and will inevitably lead to a far weaker squad next season

We will still have the largest turnover in this division yes we will have to cut but we still will be able to spend more than a lot of other clubs.
Do you really think most other clubs have wage structures in line with the fair play rules already ?

 

[CG Blade]

Not sure you are looking at this logically MB - it's not about spending more it's about reducing what we are already spending to get in line.

We may have the largest crowds in this division next year but that doesn't mean that we can afford to have a better squad next season. Other teams will already have wage structures pretty much in line with the fair play rules.

Our wages to turnover was over 100% the season just gone and we still have the likes of Monty and Cresswell under contract on large salaries - are we certain they will not still be here come August?. This severely restricts the choices DW can make to trim the wage bill whilst building a squad capable of a realistic challenge for automatic next season, especially if Monty cannot be shifted. If Monty reamains, how many youngsters will he have to release to balance the budget? How many other squad players will he not be in a position to offer new contracts to? It's a real challenge and will inevitably lead to a far weaker squad next season

I agree on this, those players who we beleive are on high wages, Monty, Cresswell, Simmonsen even Quinn are going to be difficult to get rid off, in essence they are only going to go for the same wages to another club, and those clubs are like us, they have to abide to the new rules. I think that we are going to end up keeping the players that we don't want and having to release / sell the younger ones to balance thwe books. The only way that it might change is if someone like Monty, gets a 3 year deal with someone else on less wages for the first year, but has an extra 2 years of earnings secured. No one will take Cresswell on a deal like that. Next year I think is going to be difficult.
With regard to McCabe's comments, I do think overall he has done well for us, in terms of ground etc BUT his recruitment of managers and Chief Executives has been appalling. So most of the problems we find ourselves in are down to his decisions, (and for this season Wilsons disasterous formation on Saturday) so now is the time to make sure he backs the club with more finance to ensure we are stable.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

So, what McCabe was saying is, "... you think YOU have got problems?"

Yes we have, you chimp. Now get your hands back in your pockets and invest more cash to get our club out of this fucking league, eh?

Or see the gates dwindle to sub 10k.

pommpey

To be fair, I understand McCabe's service charge (pays for the butler etc) on his Mayfair mansion has gone up - so he's feeling the pinch too.

 

[Kenilworth]

Do you really think most other clubs have wage structures in line with the fair play rules already ?

In League 1, yes. - Certainly much, much closer than ours
Imagine two people with credit cards.
One has a credit limit of £10k (person A) and the other £4k (person B)
Person A has been at or near their limit for a long time - they used to earn a wage that could sustain it but now they have fallen on bad times. Person B has a balance of around £2k but since their circumstances have not altered much over the course of the last 10 years they have managed their credit within their means - only occasionally stretching themselves but managing to stay well within their limits and paying off more as they sacrifice the luxuries like family holidays and not replacing the car for the last 4 years.
Along comes the bank and tells both of them that in this new climate of austerity and control, for their own benefit, their credit limit is going to be capped at 75% of what it was previously. Person B has no trouble adhering to that but it limits their capability to go out and spend big on something. Person A shits themselves because they have no way of paying off the £2.5k to get within the new limit, bar selling off a load of gear at a knock down price on eBay.
Person B accepts the change and carries on with a bit of a ceiling (£1k left of the new £3k limit) to work with
Person A sells gear/assets, reduces the credit limit to get within the restrictions imposed on it by the bank but has no room for manoeuvre to spend any more (unless they sell something else).

Better now?

 

[puppet]

In League 1, yes. - Certainly much, much closer than ours
Imagine two people with credit cards.
One has a credit limit of £10k (person A) and the other £4k (person B)
Person A has been at or near their limit for a long time - they used to earn a wage that could sustain it but now they have fallen on bad times. Person B has a balance of around £2k but since their circumstances have not altered much over the course of the last 10 years they have managed their credit within their means - only occasionally stretching themselves but managing to stay well within their limits and paying off more as they sacrifice the luxuries like family holidays and not replacing the car for the last 4 years.
Along comes the bank and tells both of them that in this new climate of austerity and control, for their own benefit, their credit limit is going to be capped at 75% of what it was previously. Person B has no trouble adhering to that but it limits their capability to go out and spend big on something. Person A shits themselves because they have no way of paying off the £2.5k to get within the new limit, bar selling off a load of gear at a knock down price on eBay.
Person B accepts the change and carries on with a bit of a ceiling (£1k left of the new £3k limit) to work with
Person A sells gear/assets, reduces the credit limit to get within the restrictions imposed on it by the bank but has no room for manoeuvre to spend any more (unless they sell something else).

Better now?

I think McCabe got a good deal on the PPI though....hotel for a quid, office block managed by his letting company, interest rates at higher than banks base....

 

[raul]

Can we add "The Development Squad" to the list of idiotic things we can do without? If we are not sure someone is ready for a first team place then we don't bother with him. Whilst I'm sure it takes several Tonne/McAllisters etc to reach the cost of one Quinn/Monty, there's nothing we can do about the latter until their contracts run out, but what we can do is stop paying people who aren't goood enough. It's make or break for the Academy too.

That said, our gates (17000 ish?) should still give us a following wind in attracting decent, young players the likes of which Stevenage have. The salary cap has been working in Super League for a number of years now. You'll have noticed that generally the teams with the biggest gates finish near the top whilst the ones with the smaller ones finish lower down.

 

[Large Mendonca]

What i would like to know is how this is going to work - what is "turnover" ? is it gate receipts only ? does it include what the club makes in total revenue ?

If it's not calculated on gate receipts only, then I can see a lot of "creative accounting" going on to get that competitive edge on other clubs........

Also, does that mean we shoot ourselves in the foot by taking large away followings to teams we're in competition with ?

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

So, what McCabe was saying is, "... you think YOU have got problems?"

Yes we have, you chimp. Now get your hands back in your pockets and invest more cash to get our club out of this fucking league, eh?

Or see the gates dwindle to sub 10k.

pommpey

Bit insulting to chimps that

 

[SotonBlade]

I think a lot of you are missing the point of these new League rules with regards to wages. McCabe can chuck in as much money as you like, we won't be able to spend it! Wages have to be no higher that 65% of the total turnover. You can't pay extra out of your back pocket. Our current wage total is 110% of our turnover. those out of contract....Simmo, Willo, McDonald, Beattie, Evans (obviously), won't be even considered for contracts. Expect Collins, Doyle, Monty, Quinn, Cresswell etc to be touted around, all bar Cresswell will be looked at by Championship clubs as there are no restrictions in the Championship.

There are going the be big changes in the summer, any recruitment will be from lower leagues or inferior ones in terms of wages, such as Scotland, Ireland etc. Don't be suprised to see backroom staff trimmed as well, although i'm not entirely sure this is included.

One other thing to look out for re: some of the above players, would the club be cheeky enough to re-negotiate some players contracts to fall in line with the wage restrictions, with their wages returning to normal levels once promoted back to the Championship, that would sort out the ones who want to stay and fight it out from the ones that don't.

 

[metalblade]

In League 1, yes. - Certainly much, much closer than ours
Imagine two people with credit cards.
One has a credit limit of £10k (person A) and the other £4k (person B)
Person A has been at or near their limit for a long time - they used to earn a wage that could sustain it but now they have fallen on bad times. Person B has a balance of around £2k but since their circumstances have not altered much over the course of the last 10 years they have managed their credit within their means - only occasionally stretching themselves but managing to stay well within their limits and paying off more as they sacrifice the luxuries like family holidays and not replacing the car for the last 4 years.
Along comes the bank and tells both of them that in this new climate of austerity and control, for their own benefit, their credit limit is going to be capped at 75% of what it was previously. Person B has no trouble adhering to that but it limits their capability to go out and spend big on something. Person A shits themselves because they have no way of paying off the £2.5k to get within the new limit, bar selling off a load of gear at a knock down price on eBay.
Person B accepts the change and carries on with a bit of a ceiling (£1k left of the new £3k limit) to work with
Person A sells gear/assets, reduces the credit limit to get within the restrictions imposed on it by the bank but has no room for manoeuvre to spend any more (unless they sell something else).

Better now?

You don't get it do you ?
Take Stevenage for example on their 4k gates they can pay each player £500 p/w we on the other hand have gates of 16k four times higher than them so it stands to reason we can pay each player £2000 p/w or we pay a little less say £1500 each for a larger squad of players which means we can attract a better quality of player and more of them.
The problem is we have players on more than £2000 p/w and have to offload these, but after we do we are still able to have more and better players than most teams in league one. In other words we are the ones with more room to manoeuvre

now are you better now ?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Can we add "The Development Squad" to the list of idiotic things we can do without? If we are not sure someone is ready for a first team place then we don't bother with him. Whilst I'm sure it takes several Tonne/McAllisters etc to reach the cost of one Quinn/Monty, there's nothing we can do about the latter until their contracts run out, but what we can do is stop paying people who aren't goood enough. It's make or break for the Academy too.

That said, our gates (17000 ish?) should still give us a following wind in attracting decent, young players the likes of which Stevenage have. The salary cap has been working in Super League for a number of years now. You'll have noticed that generally the teams with the biggest gates finish near the top whilst the ones with the smaller ones finish lower down.

I can actually see the benefit of the development squad and feel its quite important.

There is a huge gap between the standard of the reserves and the first team in the current system, likewise the stepup from Academy. This bridges the gap so that if our players aren't ready for the first team at 18/19 they can continue to develop.

We can't loan everyone out, and as we've found 20 year old prospects aren't going to be guaranteed games when we loan them out. So we need some way of developing them, and this squad is a good way of doing this.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

You don't get it do you ?
Take Stevenage for example on their 4k gates they can pay each player £500 p/w we on the other hand have gates of 16k four times higher than them so it stands to reason we can pay each player £2000 p/w or we pay a little less say £1500 each for a larger squad of players which means we can attract a better quality of player and more of them.
The problem is we have players on more than £2000 p/w and have to offload these, but after we do we are still able to have more and better players than most teams in league one. In other words we are the ones with more room to manoeuvre

now are you better now ?

Have you factored in that we have a lot of players already earning topside of 500K/season who's contract don't expire in the summer?

 

[metalblade]

Have you factored in that we have a lot of players already earning topside of 500K/season who's contract don't expire in the summer?

My reply was an example there is no way I would no how many players are on £500k per year if any, and I suggest neither do you.............. goodnight & goodbye sir.

 

[raul]

I can actually see the benefit of the development squad and feel its quite important.

There is a huge gap between the standard of the reserves and the first team in the current system, likewise the stepup from Academy. This bridges the gap so that if our players aren't ready for the first team at 18/19 they can continue to develop.

We can't loan everyone out, and as we've found 20 year old prospects aren't going to be guaranteed games when we loan them out. So we need some way of developing them, and this squad is a good way of doing this.

I can too, but not when we can't afford it Bob. We used to lend out our young academy prospects to lower league clubs to gain experience too, but have a look at where we are now.

 

[ZoneManWilf]

Have you factored in that we have a lot of players already earning topside of 500K/season who's contract don't expire in the summer?

This is nub of the problem for next season.

Say 2 years down the line, we will have an advantage over most clubs in this division because of our turnover. But, next year we won't because of the contracts of Monty and Cresswell who are both on upwards of £10k a week. Between those 2 they will be taking probably around one third of the ENTIRE wage budget given these new rules.

For me it's essential we move Monty on this close season, I appreciate the effort he's put in over the years, but he doesn't bring anything to this team as Doyle far surpasses his contribution in that role. And he will be a millstone around our necks for who we can bring in.

 

[Revolution]

Have you factored in that we have a lot of players already earning topside of 500K/season who's contract don't expire in the summer?

Monty, Cresswell, Quinn...who else? 3 isn't a lot.

And this rule makes it even more important to keep our 2 good young players, who must be cheap relative to their value, rather than spend more on the Andy Taylors of this World. After all, we don't need the money, because we can't spend it, apparently.

 

[metalblade]

Spot on we need to move the likes of Monty on. although that will be no big loss ( for any scouts reading he is a great player endorsed by Frank Lamps ) and as a good will gesture any Blade will taxi him to your club.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Can we add "The Development Squad" to the list of idiotic things we can do without? If we are not sure someone is ready for a first team place then we don't bother with him. Whilst I'm sure it takes several Tonne/McAllisters etc to reach the cost of one Quinn/Monty, there's nothing we can do about the latter until their contracts run out, but what we can do is stop paying people who aren't goood enough. It's make or break for the Academy too.

That said, our gates (17000 ish?) should still give us a following wind in attracting decent, young players the likes of which Stevenage have. The salary cap has been working in Super League for a number of years now. You'll have noticed that generally the teams with the biggest gates finish near the top whilst the ones with the smaller ones finish lower down.

I think the likes of Tønne and Løkberg were paid pocket money when they came, not much more than the academy kids. Tønne signed an improved contract in January and could find himself in a good position to claim a regular spot next season. We'll still have some high earners next season and if possible it'll be more important to get rid of them. If not they're going to seriously restrict us when it comes to building a new side:

Some guesses:

Morgan 12k?
Collins 12k?
Monty 13k?
Quinn 12k?
Doyle 8k?
Cresswell 13k?

That's a sum of 70k. How many players would that cover if they were on normal-high league one wages? How much would be left for the rest of the squad?

 

[Revolution]

If Collins and Doyle are on that much that flies in the face of everything that was said when they were signed.

Tonne is never going to be good enough, from what we and York have seen this season.

 

[metalblade]

I'm astounded how many fans know exactly how much each individual player earns, do we publish a break down at the AGM ? What are normal-high League One wages ??? wish I knew without guessing