McCabe on RS

[ZoneManWilf]

Just doing some fag packet numbers as I don't know exactly what turnover figure is used for this fair play 65%.

We've heard we're at 110% of turnover at the moment - I'm guessing the wage bill is in the region of 8-9 million.

So the turnover figure we're looking at is approx 7-8million. We are limited to spend 65% of that,

All very approximate figures, but I think we're looking at a absolute maximum of £6 mill a year on wages and probably less. So Monty and Cres aren't a third of the spend, but they're still a significant portion.

I'm a big NFL fan and the way this is going, it's a very similar situation to their salary cap - overpaid players nearing the end of contracts in the NFL simply get cut. But their contracts are structured quite differently to football contracts - there is a 'guaranteed' element as well as a yearly salary, but players can get cut and not be entitled to their yearly salary in say the final year of their contract and the clubs aren't liable for that salary unlike we are with say Monty.

I see football contracts going a similar way in the long term with these fair play rules.

 

[judge]

Just doing some fag packet numbers as I don't know exactly what turnover figure is used for this fair play 65%.

We've heard we're at 110% of turnover at the moment - I'm guessing the wage bill is in the region of 8-9 million.

So the turnover figure we're looking at is approx 7-8million. We are limited to spend 65% of that,

All very approximate figures, but I think we're looking at a absolute maximum of £6 mill a year on wages and probably less. So Monty and Cres aren't a third of the spend, but they're still a significant portion.

I'm a big NFL fan and the way this is going, it's a very similar situation to their salary cap - overpaid players nearing the end of contracts in the NFL simply get cut. But their contracts are structured quite differently to football contracts - there is a 'guaranteed' element as well as a yearly salary, but players can get cut and not be entitled to their yearly salary in say the final year of their contract and the clubs aren't liable for that salary unlike we are with say Monty.

I see football contracts going a similar way in the long term with these fair play rules.

We need more agents like jerry macguire

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I think a lot of you are missing the point of these new League rules with regards to wages. McCabe can chuck in as much money as you like, we won't be able to spend it! Wages have to be no higher that 65% of the total turnover. You can't pay extra out of your back pocket. Our current wage total is 110% of our turnover. those out of contract....Simmo, Willo, McDonald, Beattie, Evans (obviously), won't be even considered for contracts. Expect Collins, Doyle, Monty, Quinn, Cresswell etc to be touted around, all bar Cresswell will be looked at by Championship clubs as there are no restrictions in the Championship.

There are going the be big changes in the summer, any recruitment will be from lower leagues or inferior ones in terms of wages, such as Scotland, Ireland etc. Don't be suprised to see backroom staff trimmed as well, although i'm not entirely sure this is included.

One other thing to look out for re: some of the above players, would the club be cheeky enough to re-negotiate some players contracts to fall in line with the wage restrictions, with their wages returning to normal levels once promoted back to the Championship, that would sort out the ones who want to stay and fight it out from the ones that don't.

Yes we would, depends how its structured.

If McCabe wants to make the wage bill £250K/week instead of £100K/week [just using these figures as an example- no idea what wage bill is per week] to make us competitive because he has he will to do so just needs to make one of his Companies a sponsor.

Do you think that the guy who owns Etihad Arways won’t get round this by not increasing sponsor deals with M City?

Anyone with the will to invest in a club will be able to spend as much as he/she wants as long has the money comes in via an income stream.

 

[FleaPitBlade]

Isn’t this exactly why Man Utd & City’s Academies are ‘sponsored’ for some ridiculous amounts of money by companies who just so happen to be owned by the same people who’s name is over the boardroom door?!

EDIT - Just seen post above!

 

[Worksop_Blade]

Sorry to sound like a pig but below are our average attendances for the last 15 seasons.

11/12 18,702 Finished 3rd 90 Points 92 Goals
10/11 20,623 Relegation
09/10 25,120 Season After PO Final Defeat
08/09 26,023
07/08 25,289 First Season Back in 2nd Tier
06/07 30,312 Premier League
05/06 23,650 Promotion Season
04/05 19,488
03/04 21,645 Season After PO Final Defeat
02/03 18,068
01/02 18,034
00/01 17,211
99/00 13,700 Adrian Heath
98/99 16,258
97/98 17,936 Season After PO Final Defeat
96/97 16,675
95/96 12,904
94/95 14,408 First Season Back in 2nd Tier



15 Season average attendance: 19,780

Next season's attendances depend on three things, firstly if the squad is decimated and the replacements are has beens or never going to be's and secondly if Maguire and Lowton are sold cheaply and finally if Danny Wilson contracts second season syndrome again.

I can this summer being part 1 of rebuilding with next summer being part 2 and promotion being achieved in 2013/14 season. By that time we will all have the torture of seeing those nobheads from S6 on MOTD.

12 years of dominance over them and what did the club achieve?

 

[SotonBlade]

Yes we would, depends how its structured.

If McCabe wants to make the wage bill £250K/week instead of £100K/week [just using these figures as an example- no idea what wage bill is per week] to make us competitive because he has he will to do so just needs to make one of his Companies a sponsor.

Do you think that the guy who owns Etihad Arways won’t get round this by not increasing sponsor deals with M City?

Anyone with the will to invest in a club will be able to spend as much as he/she wants as long has the money comes in via an income stream.

I'm not sure how the rules work, but you would think the Football League will have thought of this and put measures in to stop this sort of thing wouldn't you?

This is just like the third party ownership thing....Tevez....murky waters.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

12 years of dominance over them and what did the club achieve?

12 years of dominance is an achievement in itself.

And we averaged 30k in a season which they haven't done since the 60s.

 

[judge]

12 years of dominance is an achievement in itself.

And we averaged 30k in a season which they haven't done since the 60s.

We've done it twice
MASSIVE my arse

 

[metalblade]

Looking at those attendance figures say what you like about Colin but he put bums on seats, more than doubled the average from Heaths half season. Both Robson and Blackwell each lost us 5k fans. I seem to think we will be back down to 16k next season.

 

[sheffielder]

Just doing some fag packet numbers as I don't know exactly what turnover figure is used for this fair play 65%.

We've heard we're at 110% of turnover at the moment - I'm guessing the wage bill is in the region of 8-9 million.

So the turnover figure we're looking at is approx 7-8million. We are limited to spend 65% of that,

All very approximate figures, but I think we're looking at a absolute maximum of £6 mill a year on wages and probably less. So Monty and Cres aren't a third of the spend, but they're still a significant portion.

I'm a big NFL fan and the way this is going, it's a very similar situation to their salary cap - overpaid players nearing the end of contracts in the NFL simply get cut. But their contracts are structured quite differently to football contracts - there is a 'guaranteed' element as well as a yearly salary, but players can get cut and not be entitled to their yearly salary in say the final year of their contract and the clubs aren't liable for that salary unlike we are with say Monty.

I see football contracts going a similar way in the long term with these fair play rules.

If the wage bill is £6m and Monty and Cresswell are a third of that, this puts them on £20k a week each. Sorry you need to look at this again. Also people need to factor in the wages of Morgan, Evans, BT, Williamson, Ertl, Simmo, Taylor. We won't get rid of Cresswell due to his wage but believe we will be able to get rid of Monty (Leeds or Millwall) and Quinn (possibly Blackpoo) but is again a good item to sell. All these wages and possible transfer fee of Quinn would get you an estimated 3m, maybe 4m. We will have to blood some youngsters, no matter what but people are making the situation sound alot worse than it actually is.

 

[sheffielder]

sorry mate, make that estimated wage bill of 6m

 

[Kenilworth]

I think McCabe got a good deal on the PPI though....hotel for a quid, office block managed by his letting company, interest rates at higher than banks base....

Not sure of your point here pup.
Try getting a loan from your bank a bank base and see what they say.
Effectively McCabe will be using money from his business interests to provide a long term loan to the company to support it rather than using more expensive bank lending. He cannot just loan it for nothing or bank base.

It's an alternative strategy from that at S6 which was to loan what they couldnt afford from the Co-op Bank as well of lots of local businesses and Piggy Banks () then tell em to stuff themselves and start afresh without going into admin. Then they can claim to be completely solvent again - as well as even more massive than before.

 

[Kenilworth]

Of course you can spend more than the cap applied under FFP rules - but you will be fined by the Football League for doing so

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Just doing some fag packet numbers as I don't know exactly what turnover figure is used for this fair play 65%.

We've heard we're at 110% of turnover at the moment - I'm guessing the wage bill is in the region of 8-9 million.

So the turnover figure we're looking at is approx 7-8million. We are limited to spend 65% of that,

All very approximate figures, but I think we're looking at a absolute maximum of £6 mill a year on wages and probably less. So Monty and Cres aren't a third of the spend, but they're still a significant portion.

http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/FLExplainedDetail/0,,10794~2748246,00.html

According to this, the only sanction against League One clubs exceeding the SCMP threshold is a transfer embargo.
It could well be that we are unable to get below the threshold and therefore will have to rely on players currently on the books.

That being the case, it would be foolish to offload the likes of Quinn, Lowton and Maguire early on only to find that we are unable to sign replacements due to a transfer embargo. I can see us going into next season with none of the "out of contract" players, no new signings and no loanees.

 

[Kenilworth]

The problem is we have players on more than £2000 p/w and have to offload these, but after we do we are still able to have more and better players than most teams in league one.

There's the nub and that's what has scuppered your own argument MB

Recoverd now?

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Of course you can spend more than the cap applied under FFP rules - but you will be fined by the Football League for doing so

See my other post. I don't think we would get a fine only a transfer embargo.

 

[Kenilworth]

See my other post. I don't think we would get a fine only a transfer embargo.

Yes, saw your post after I posted - if you get my drift.
Only said that since the McCabe interview I heard on Audioboo from @paulwalker on twitter alluded to a fine being punishment for not adhering to the new rules. So it could be a bit of both. Certainly a transfer embargo sounds a suitable constraint given the spirit of the rule.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

My reply was an example there is no way I would no how many players are on £500k per year if any, and I suggest neither do you.............. goodnight & goodbye sir.

So if anyone tries to add any sort of realism against your argument its goodbye and good night?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Spot on we need to move the likes of Monty on. although that will be no big loss ( for any scouts reading he is a great player endorsed by Frank Lamps ) and as a good will gesture any Blade will taxi him to your club.

Who's going to pick up Montys wages, and or pay a transfer fee?
Or are you suggesting we pay him off, which obviously in your world wont incur a cost either.

 

[Tuns]

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Next season's attendances depend on three things, firstly if the squad is decimated and the replacements are has beens or never going to be's and secondly if Maguire and Lowton are sold cheaply and finally if Danny Wilson contracts second season syndrome again.
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Next season's attendances will actually depend on ST sales before the first deadline.

And what happens after that in terms of player sales and league form will have little impact on ST sales.

The club's strategy is to sell what it can before the deadline and then pretty much give up and fans without STs won't pay every week they'll just pick a few games even if we are doing well.

So it's all down to what kind of dynamic exciting offer United can come up with to entice the fans to buy STs.

There's still time for a dramatic re-think on STs from United in the light of what happened Saturday. Getting bigger attendances next season than we had this season would be a great boost for players and fans especially at the moment. And we might just start to rediscover the heart and passion of the club in adversity.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Big call that Tuns, FFP is about revenue not bums on seats.
I'm not saying eitherway is right but its a big balancing act.

 

[super_pig]

i don't get this. sorry.
seeing as we will probably have the highest gates in the division surely that will put us at an advantage?

 

[Foxy]

and Kevin McCabe on the OS:

Kevin McCabe spoke positively after watching his team suffer the heartache of the penalty shoot-out defeat to Huddersfield Town.

"We won't be wallowing in self pity," said McCabe "Yes, we have suffered a set-back. But we are looking to the future now, not back. The planning has already started and we are planning for success.

"I don't think any reasonable person can say we have not given it our all over the course of the year and we'll be doing exactly the same thing again over the course of next season, to get to where we want to be."

The shaping of the 2012/13 squad will begin immediately.

"Now we know what division we are in, everything begins in earnest," explained the Blades owner. "There are young players who I know the staff feel are ready to make the step-up and they'll be given the opportunity to do that, together with others I'm sure who will be coming in.


"We have had a successful season which has unfortunately ended in failure. We fell at the final and that hurts. It hurts a lot.

"The supporters have been fantastic this season and that's been very much noted and appreciated by all. We hope they stick with us, which we're sure they will do, because they are a crucial part of what we are trying to achieve."

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

i don't get this. sorry.
seeing as we will probably have the highest gates in the division surely that will put us at an advantage?

Not if you have a large number of players earning over 10K a week still contracted to the club next season.

 

[Large Mendonca]

Who's going to pick up Montys wages, and or pay a transfer fee?
Or are you suggesting we pay him off, which obviously in your world wont incur a cost either.

That's a very good point actually. In a hypothetical scenario, are we permitted to say "Sorry Nick, but you're not in Danny's plans for next season. You are of course entitled to stay for another year warming the bench for £500K but you ain't gonna play. Here's £300K - go find another club that you can play first team football with......"

Would the £300K be factored-in for seaon's 2012-13 spend, or is this just another way we could get around the problem ?

Of course, that would mean McCabe putting his hand in his pocket...............

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

It would be a cost against the wage bill I would suspect.

 

[super_pig]

perhaps we could have a raffle or appeal to get rid of him.. like we did to sign glyn hodges.. here's my fifty quid.

 

[alcoblade]

There's still time for a dramatic re-think on STs from United in the light of what happened Saturday. Getting bigger attendances next season than we had this season would be a great boost for players and fans especially at the moment. And we might just start to rediscover the heart and passion of the club in adversity.

My season ticket was £279 this season. I don't know what more is expected of the club re ticket prices.

As Bob alluded, it's not about bums on seats, it's about revenue. Without revenue we'll go further down the toilet and further down the divisions. Our supprt has dropped away because we're in the third division, not because of entry price. There's a reason nobody was quite as skint when we were in the Premier league playing ManUre and the like.

UTB

 

[sheffielder]

I am with Bob and Alco on this one as I pay £279 and I think I am taking the piss if I want to see a good standard of football for that price. The only thing I think they can do now for season tickets is extend the 5th May price until the end of August. The big thing for me is that they introduce better match day prices. There aren't any category A games I can think of, so we have a perfect chance to allow people on the Kop for a fiver at most more than what the highest season ticket price is. For example mine works out at £11.62 and would imagine there are season tickets around £350, £14.58.. so could we do matchday tickets for £15-£20.

Personally I don't care if they are only paying a little bit more than me as I have paid for the right to have my own seat.

 

[Blade58]

Have you factored in that we have a lot of players already earning topside of 500K/season who's contract don't expire in the summer?

Surely this has to be factored in on an individual club basis by the league?

Many clubs will have players who are on big contracts. There just has to be a built in factor that allows clubs and players contracts to come to their conclusion.................over a sustained period of time. You cannot implement a new rule that says your wage bill is 20m this year but must be 10m next year due to your turnover. There has to be a gradual reduction programme over a period of time as contracts expire and on an individual club by club basis

Contracts have to be honoured by law, so there has to be some leeway.